After the Muslims are all killed off...

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: Knight7
i personally believe that the jews should go, they are the cause of this BS war we have going on, they are the cause of evil, and should be eliminated sorry to all the jews in this forum but that religious shit gotta stop.

Ban incoming.

Jews are a protected species round here mate.

Bash Christians and Muslims all you want but say anything against Jewish people or Isreal and you will be branded anti-semitic.

reminds me of some stuff i got from my brother of the rat pack....

:music:dean martin: have you ever seen a jew-jitsu....cause i have:music:

thats all i really have to say about that.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: Knight7
i personally believe that the jews should go, they are the cause of this BS war we have going on, they are the cause of evil, and should be eliminated sorry to all the jews in this forum but that religious shit gotta stop.

Ban incoming.

Jews are a protected species round here mate.

Bash Christians and Muslims all you want but say anything against Jewish people or Isreal and you will be branded anti-semitic.

That's ridiculous. Follow his posts a little ways down and find the inevitable "Hitler should have done a better job," comment. That's ban-worthy, no question.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: Knight7
i personally believe that the jews should go, they are the cause of this BS war we have going on, they are the cause of evil, and should be eliminated sorry to all the jews in this forum but that religious shit gotta stop.

Ban incoming.

Jews are a protected species round here mate.

Bash Christians and Muslims all you want but say anything against Jewish people or Isreal and you will be branded anti-semitic.

reminds me of some stuff i got from my brother of the rat pack....

:music:dean martin: have you ever seen a jew-jitsu....cause i have:music:

thats all i really have to say about that.

I don't get it?

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: Knight7
i personally believe that the jews should go, they are the cause of this BS war we have going on, they are the cause of evil, and should be eliminated sorry to all the jews in this forum but that religious shit gotta stop.

Ban incoming.

Jews are a protected species round here mate.

Bash Christians and Muslims all you want but say anything against Jewish people or Isreal and you will be branded anti-semitic.

reminds me of some stuff i got from my brother of the rat pack....

:music:dean martin: have you ever seen a jew-jitsu....cause i have:music:

thats all i really have to say about that.

I don't get it?

im drinking, and im pretty sure he was when he said it.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: Knight7
i personally believe that the jews should go, they are the cause of this BS war we have going on, they are the cause of evil, and should be eliminated sorry to all the jews in this forum but that religious shit gotta stop.

Ban incoming.

Jews are a protected species round here mate.

Bash Christians and Muslims all you want but say anything against Jewish people or Isreal and you will be branded anti-semitic.

That's ridiculous. Follow his posts a little ways down and find the inevitable "Hitler should have done a better job," comment. That's ban-worthy, no question.

Yeah, that's out of line. I hadn't got to that post yet.

 

[YoungGun21]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of terrible things have been carried out in the name of Christianity. But the crusades occurred many hundreds of years ago. On the other hand I'm willing to bet people were killed in the name of Islam within the last month. Christians will not be declaring holy war on anyone any time soon I'm willing to bet. Many Islamists have declard jihad that they are carrying on now. See the difference?

This doesnt make any sense at all. By this "logic" the christians should have been killed off back when they held the crusades.

5+ million back then >>>> thousands now.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The body count racked up by Christians makes Islam look like a tea party.

Is that so?

By a huge margin. Not even close. Islamic extremist terrorists knock off a few thousand people yearly. Even if you double the actual stats of body counts and extrapolate that out over the entire 1300 year history of Islam it doesn't come close to what the Catholics racked up during the Crusades alone.

You sir have no clue what you are talking about. The gross generalities you attempt to present as factual are both incomparably stupid and from any academic pov, criminal.

I suggest you detach your computer from any and every electrical output and strangle yourself with the surge protector cord.

Heh, look at the ignorant twerp TehMac owning himself harder and further. GagHalfrunt is entirely correct, twerpie-pie.

Yes, definitely. :rolll;

I'm sorry, but "Elite Senior Moderator" does not make you a P.h.D. in History.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of terrible things have been carried out in the name of Christianity. But the crusades occurred many hundreds of years ago. On the other hand I'm willing to bet people were killed in the name of Islam within the last month. Christians will not be declaring holy war on anyone any time soon I'm willing to bet. Many Islamists have declard jihad that they are carrying on now. See the difference?

This doesnt make any sense at all. By this "logic" the christians should have been killed off back when they held the crusades.

5+ million back then >>>> thousands now.

I never suggested or said that Muslims should be 'killed off' because of the terrible things that many of them are carrying out today in the name of their religion.

Have more people been killed in the name of Christianity then Islam over the course of history? Maybe, I don't know. But I'm willing to bet more people are killed in the name of Islam in modern history then Christianity.

I doubt you'll see the pope declaring holy war on anyone, yet you see many Muslim leaders doing so today.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Yes, definitely. :rolll;

I'm sorry, but "Elite Senior Moderator" does not make you a P.h.D. in History.

You'd fail a Turing test.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

And utterly ignorant. The Crusades alone the Catholics death count was 9 million. That's not a generality, it's a FACT. Go ahead, count up death by Islamic terrorists. I dare ya to come up with more than 1 million throughout history. The fact that some people have their heads buried so far up their asses so they don't see the atrocities committed by their religions doesn't make it untrue, it just makes those people stupid.

It depends how you lump up it together smacktard. The Crusades were complicated, it wasn't simply "Muslim versus Christian," and so forth like your 10th grade history teacher might have taught you.

Not only were Muslims killing each other, Christians were slaughtering each other as well. Also, your "9 million count," is a gross exaggeration, I don't even know where you got such a number. To spell it out for you even further, the Knights Templar and Knights Hospitaller were in occasional conflict, so it's more than likely the figure you're quoting (if even accurate, which I highly suspect isn't) includes as many Christians and Muslims.

To further illustrate this issue: the kingdoms of Edessa and Kingdoms of Jerusalem were often fighting each other. Pirates from Venice and Genoa often preyed upon Muslims and Christian vessels alike, while Muslim bedouin often formed alliances with the Kingdom of Jersusalem against the Arabs of the eastern kingdoms, such as that of Damscus.

As a result, its a gross generality to merely claim that da poor old Muslims were the victims. The Christians and Muslims massacred each other after each battle, or sold each other into slavery, but thats what the Crusaders in 1204 did to the Orthodox Christians in the East, and the Hashisham Muslims were frequent slayers of shiite rulers.

Furthermore, your definition of "Crusades" is weak. There were many Crusades, and not all of them were even in the Middle East. There was the Prussian Crusade, the Russian Crusade, the Lithunian Invasion, the Crusade against the Mongols in Central Europe, and so forth.

There is no denying that that religious fanaticism can drive men to do terrible things, but it is as equally stupid and perverse to slate religious people and fanatics, and just merely power hungry people, all into one group.

I hope you're happy with your explanation and your owning.


As for the Holocaust, It's possible men were there who called themselves "Christians," but again, it would be a criminal statement to say that the death of millions of Jews was perpetrated by Christians. Nazism emphasized pure eugenics, the study of which was highly popular in the 1920's and '30's. Over time, Nazism developed itself into an Atheistic cult with occult references.

There is also to mention the millions of deaths committed by the Atheist U.S.S.R. Regimes.

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: TehMac
Yes, definitely. :roll:

I'm sorry, but "Elite Senior Moderator" does not make you a P.h.D. in History.

You'd fail a Turing test.

Another brilliant insight from Perknose, well we have the whole night, whatever else do you have to show you're a complete tool? :laugh:

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of terrible things have been carried out in the name of Christianity. But the crusades occurred many hundreds of years ago. On the other hand I'm willing to bet people were killed in the name of Islam within the last month. Christians will not be declaring holy war on anyone any time soon I'm willing to bet. Many Islamists have declard jihad that they are carrying on now. See the difference?

This doesnt make any sense at all. By this "logic" the christians should have been killed off back when they held the crusades.

5+ million back then >>>> thousands now.

Unless you have a time machine we can't go back and do anything about what happened hundreds of years ago. Does that mean we shouldn't do something when it happens now?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of terrible things have been carried out in the name of Christianity. But the crusades occurred many hundreds of years ago. On the other hand I'm willing to bet people were killed in the name of Islam within the last month. Christians will not be declaring holy war on anyone any time soon I'm willing to bet. Many Islamists have declard jihad that they are carrying on now. See the difference?

"Can't you just let bygones be bygones"? "It was a long time ago. Forget about it".

Someone always says that when a negative christian act is being discussed, but they completely forget that attitude when they start talking about a certain Carpenter who lived and died 2000 years ago. No, they want to forget only the bad elements of Christianity to eliminate any nagging doubts about the veracity of what they believe. Is that how you would expect to arrive at an accurate portrayal of anything outside of religion?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of terrible things have been carried out in the name of Christianity. But the crusades occurred many hundreds of years ago. On the other hand I'm willing to bet people were killed in the name of Islam within the last month. Christians will not be declaring holy war on anyone any time soon I'm willing to bet. Many Islamists have declard jihad that they are carrying on now. See the difference?

"Can't you just let bygones be bygones"? "It was a long time ago. Forget about it".

Someone always says that when a negative christian act is being discussed, but they completely forget that attitude when they start talking about a certain Carpenter who lived and died 2000 years ago. No, they want to forget only the bad elements of Christianity to eliminate any nagging doubts about the veracity of what they believe. Is that how you would expect to arrive at an accurate portrayal of anything outside of religion?

Why should one's own religious faith be cast into doubt by the history of any number of subscribers to that religion? It is only such when a religion encourages ruthless fanaticism or when groups of people interpret religious violence to be the answer. That is when religion turns sour, but other than that, I see no reason to judge people.

I am friends with a Sikh, several Muslims, many Jews am a Christian, friends with tons of atheists. I see no reason to allow religious subscription as a basis with which to evaluate the character of a person.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of terrible things have been carried out in the name of Christianity. But the crusades occurred many hundreds of years ago. On the other hand I'm willing to bet people were killed in the name of Islam within the last month. Christians will not be declaring holy war on anyone any time soon I'm willing to bet. Many Islamists have declard jihad that they are carrying on now. See the difference?

"Can't you just let bygones be bygones"? "It was a long time ago. Forget about it".

Someone always says that when a negative christian act is being discussed, but they completely forget that attitude when they start talking about a certain Carpenter who lived and died 2000 years ago. No, they want to forget only the bad elements of Christianity to eliminate any nagging doubts about the veracity of what they believe. Is that how you would expect to arrive at an accurate portrayal of anything outside of religion?

I didn't say that anything should be forgotten. But I don't believe comparing what's happening in todays world to things that happened 500+ years ago is apples to apples in this case.

For the record I think it's retarded when people start arguing about religion (bonus retard points for doing so over the internet) as there is no way to prove that your relgion is right or another's religion is wrong.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Not a problem. Your complete refusal to listen to anything resembling reason is what got you into this mess in the first place. You could educate yourself, you could hold your collection of pedophiles responsible for their atrocities and the blood on their hands, you could at least learn to stay out of threads where your ignorance is exposed so easily. But instead you just stick your fingers in your ears and scream "NYAH NYAH NYAH I'm not listening!!" at the top of your lungs. And all the while you're pretending to ignore everything I say we all know that you're seething about it and that you lack the understanding of world events to be able to fight back intelligently. You want to shut me up. You want to smack me down. You want to be able to refute all the facts I use with facts of your own. But you can't. Because you don't know any and because even if you did the facts support my position rather than your fairy tales. So lather up all you want Mosh, the lather is your anger at your leaders for doing all this crap in the first place and at yourself for lacking the fortitude to break off from a collection of criminals.

I didn't see any facts. Facts have evidence associated. I am not saying your statements aren't true but you certainly haven't linked to any evidence.

Okay, I hereby point you in the direction of every history book on earth. Are the Crusades some sort of well-kept secret? But since something isn't true unless it's online, start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade

Highlights:

Once inside the city, as was standard military practice at the time,[15] the Franks then massacred the civilians, destroyed mosques and pillaged the city.

In 1187, Saladin, Sultan of Egypt, recaptured Jerusalem, following the Battle of Hattin. After taking Jerusalem back from the Christians, the Muslims spared civilians and for the most part left churches and shrines untouched

After reaching port, Richard the Lionheart promised to leave noncombatants unharmed if the city of Acre surrendered. The brutality of an outnumbered army in a hostile land could be seen again when the city surrendered and Richard proceeded to massacre everyone, despite his earlier promise.

The Fourth Crusade was initiated in 1202 by Pope Innocent III, with the intention of invading the Holy Land through Egypt. Because the Crusaders lacked the funds to pay for the fleet and provisions that they had contracted from the Venetians, Doge Enrico Dandolo enlisted the crusaders to restore the Christian city of Zara (Zadar) to obedience. Because they subsequently lacked provisions and time on their vessel lease, the leaders decided to go to Constantinople, where they attempted to place a Byzantine exile on the throne. After a series of misunderstandings and outbreaks of violence, the Crusaders sacked the city

The Albigensian Crusade was launched in 1209 to eliminate the heretical Cathars of Occitania (the south of modern-day France). It was a decade-long struggle that had as much to do with the concerns of northern France to extend its control southwards as it did with heresy. In the end, both the Cathars and the independence of southern France were exterminated.



There were dozens of others, mostly with the same modus operandi. The Christians attacked pretty much everyone that wasn't them and exterminated whoever wasn't able to defend themselves. Feel free to educate yourself further. This is HISTORY. It's all there in black and white and the information is available to anyone with the ability to read and understand. Sadly, the very fact that the information exists is what causes Mosh and others of her ilk to get angry. They're just not mature enough to be able to get angry at the people who murdered millions in gods name, so they get mad at those of us that passed history classes instead. Odd, isn't it?

I'm not a history buff and I think everyone can acknowledge that during the Crusades, it was the Christians who did most of the killing but I find it hard to believe that Muslims didn't do a lot of killing too during their conquests of other lands.

Are you telling me that Islam's spread from tiny Saudi Arabia to distinct lands from Spain to Turkey to Indonesia was with little bloodshed? I find that hard to believe. Not because I think that Muslims are brutal and murderous people but rather because I think that all humans were brutal and murderous in the past. For example, in Chinese history there was a lot of bloodshed involved when all the kingdoms where united as one China.

I would just find it hard to believe that Islam's spread throughout the world was without major bloodshed.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Not a problem. Your complete refusal to listen to anything resembling reason is what got you into this mess in the first place. You could educate yourself, you could hold your collection of pedophiles responsible for their atrocities and the blood on their hands, you could at least learn to stay out of threads where your ignorance is exposed so easily. But instead you just stick your fingers in your ears and scream "NYAH NYAH NYAH I'm not listening!!" at the top of your lungs. And all the while you're pretending to ignore everything I say we all know that you're seething about it and that you lack the understanding of world events to be able to fight back intelligently. You want to shut me up. You want to smack me down. You want to be able to refute all the facts I use with facts of your own. But you can't. Because you don't know any and because even if you did the facts support my position rather than your fairy tales. So lather up all you want Mosh, the lather is your anger at your leaders for doing all this crap in the first place and at yourself for lacking the fortitude to break off from a collection of criminals.

I didn't see any facts. Facts have evidence associated. I am not saying your statements aren't true but you certainly haven't linked to any evidence.

Okay, I hereby point you in the direction of every history book on earth. Are the Crusades some sort of well-kept secret? But since something isn't true unless it's online, start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade

Highlights:

Once inside the city, as was standard military practice at the time,[15] the Franks then massacred the civilians, destroyed mosques and pillaged the city.

In 1187, Saladin, Sultan of Egypt, recaptured Jerusalem, following the Battle of Hattin. After taking Jerusalem back from the Christians, the Muslims spared civilians and for the most part left churches and shrines untouched

After reaching port, Richard the Lionheart promised to leave noncombatants unharmed if the city of Acre surrendered. The brutality of an outnumbered army in a hostile land could be seen again when the city surrendered and Richard proceeded to massacre everyone, despite his earlier promise.

The Fourth Crusade was initiated in 1202 by Pope Innocent III, with the intention of invading the Holy Land through Egypt. Because the Crusaders lacked the funds to pay for the fleet and provisions that they had contracted from the Venetians, Doge Enrico Dandolo enlisted the crusaders to restore the Christian city of Zara (Zadar) to obedience. Because they subsequently lacked provisions and time on their vessel lease, the leaders decided to go to Constantinople, where they attempted to place a Byzantine exile on the throne. After a series of misunderstandings and outbreaks of violence, the Crusaders sacked the city

The Albigensian Crusade was launched in 1209 to eliminate the heretical Cathars of Occitania (the south of modern-day France). It was a decade-long struggle that had as much to do with the concerns of northern France to extend its control southwards as it did with heresy. In the end, both the Cathars and the independence of southern France were exterminated.



There were dozens of others, mostly with the same modus operandi. The Christians attacked pretty much everyone that wasn't them and exterminated whoever wasn't able to defend themselves. Feel free to educate yourself further. This is HISTORY. It's all there in black and white and the information is available to anyone with the ability to read and understand. Sadly, the very fact that the information exists is what causes Mosh and others of her ilk to get angry. They're just not mature enough to be able to get angry at the people who murdered millions in gods name, so they get mad at those of us that passed history classes instead. Odd, isn't it?

That's just the history of the Crusades. What about all of history?

 

[Homerboy]

how is this thread alive? Personal attacks, antisemitic all over the place. Not to mention just stupid ignorant and hateful posts. ATOT really sucks nowadays.

 

[Pacfanweb]

I love how the anti-Christianity zealots love to bring up the Crusades as an example of how many people have been killed in the name of that religion.

Big deal....it was 1000 years ago.

The religion TODAY that is doing all the the killing in its own name is Islam. Not Christianity. The people in the middle east who are essentially enslaved by their leaders (particularly the women) and still have medieval beliefs are MUSLIMS, not Christians.

That's all that matters. I don't know which religion has had more people killed in its name....but I DO know which religion TODAY has the most people being killed in its name.

 

[Fenixgoon]

here's something amazing gaghalfrunt:

christians no longer go around crusading and pillaging... we're about 600 years past that. that's like saying we should give people reparations for slavery. it's utter bullshit to try and hold far history against people. hell, that's why the middle east is the shithole it is.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
here's something amazing gaghalfrunt:

christians no longer go around crusading and pillaging... we're about 600 years past that. that's like saying we should give people reparations for slavery. it's utter bullshit to try and hold far history against people. hell, that's why the middle east is the shithole it is.

Exactly....pretty much what I was saying right above you.

It's like getting a speeding ticket, and asking the cop why you got a ticket, because someone else was speeding in the same place 50 years ago.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

I didn't say that anything should be forgotten. But I don't believe comparing what's happening in todays world to things that happened 500+ years ago is apples to apples in this case.

For the record I think it's retarded when people start arguing about religion (bonus retard points for doing so over the internet) as there is no way to prove that your relgion is right or another's religion is wrong.

Oh I agree. Today's christians aren't the christians of the crusades. Practically every single one of them is light years beyond those numbskulls in terms of morality, but christianity can be traced back to those numbskulls nevertheless. You can't decouple yourself from the people and ideas that came before you, or else you might as well say you're starting your own personal religion and NOT being a christian. That's really what I'm arguing against I suppose. If god and his message are so immutably perfect and have always been, then why do his followers keep changing? The christians of the time of the crusades must have thought they were doing noble deeds or they wouldn't have kept crusading. They probably thought they were going to heaven for retaking the holy land from the heathens. Our much softer, kinder-hearted christians of today condemn the crusaders and are sure they went to hell. Do changes in religious dogma retroactively snatch souls from heaven when the zeitgeist moves on to the point that the moral majority no longer condones their actions?

BTW I like arguing about religion on the internet. I think no one will ADMIT to being wrong where everyone can see them, but they will adjust their viewpoint in response to a powerful argument regardless. I've done it myself. 😉

 

[timosyy]

C'mon now ... the Gaza strip is hardly a stronghold of Islam. Were you to wipe out "Palestine" in its entirety it would hardly portend the end of Islam.

The current Israel/Palestine conflict also has roughly zero to do with religion and everything to do about land (and the loss thereof).

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The body count racked up by Christians makes Islam look like a tea party.

Is that so?

By a huge margin. Not even close. Islamic extremist terrorists knock off a few thousand people yearly. Even if you double the actual stats of body counts and extrapolate that out over the entire 1300 year history of Islam it doesn't come close to what the Catholics racked up during the Crusades alone.

The problem is that you are trying to base what happened in history on what is happening today. The time of Islamic expansion was one of the bloodiest eras of human history, but you're completely ignoring that.

It would be like someone else saying that if you "double the actual stats of body counts and extrapolate that out over the entire 2000 year history of Christianity it doesn't come close to what the Muslims racked up during Islamic expansion alone."

I'm neither Christian nor Muslim.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I love how the anti-Christianity zealots love to bring up the Crusades as an example of how many people have been killed in the name of that religion.

Big deal....it was 1000 years ago.

The religion TODAY that is doing all the the killing in its own name is Islam. Not Christianity. The people in the middle east who are essentially enslaved by their leaders (particularly the women) and still have medieval beliefs are MUSLIMS, not Christians.

That's all that matters. I don't know which religion has had more people killed in its name....but I DO know which religion TODAY has the most people being killed in its name.

But the religion should be the same as it was then though, no?

"I am the Lord, I change not."

Did God get past that stuff at the same time his followers did?

 

[Duddy]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
how is this thread alive? Personal attacks, antisemitic all over the place. Not to mention just stupid ignorant and hateful posts. ATOT really sucks nowadays.

Well, to be fair we are all human. And religion is a very potent subject. It may lead to yelling, cursing and occasionally a ban hammer being smacked down on someones ass. 😛