affirmative action nay or ya with POLL

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: hinduluv

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: So
Simple question: Why should income level lower the standard for entry more than race?

No special privledges for ANYBODY, rich or poor, black or white!

Those who live in poorer neighborhoods aren't given the same opportunities so its hard to measure them on the same level.

But if they work hard, they should have the grades to get into a good school regardless of income

thats the whole point, if he had taken 10 could he have gotten into harvard, yale or princeton?
What if their school only offers say.. 3 AP classes and a richer school in a better neighborhood offers 10. Should the poor kid, who took all 3 APs and got As, be rejected since he didn't take enough? And how should he be compared to someone in the richer HS that only took 3 of 10 possible APs?

than maybe that kid shouldn't go to harvard/yale/princeton but I would be shocked if he could not get into a decent state school

thats the whole point, if he had taken 10 could he have gotten into harvard, yale or princeton?

maybe he would maybe not

you can't really play the what if game

what if, if he would have taken 10 ap classes he would have struggled and gotten C's
and would have ended up going to a community college

rich people have a leg up on others but so what? are you going to cry every time you see some 16 year old kid driving a vette their parents bought for them

you can only give some people so many breaks and if you are that determined to go to "harvard" than maybe you would work your ass off and go to a private school or do something else, whatever it takes

hell i know at least one kid that went to my public high school that studied on his own and took AP tests that weren't even offered by the school, he ended up going to stanford and got accepted to princeton, upenn etc. whereas the valedictorian got rejected

not everyone deserves an IVY league education is all i'm saying just like not every kid that dreams of going to the NBA deserves to , no matter how hard they train

all i'm saying is anyone that goes to highschool these days has a shot at a college level education

also if harvard does factor in available classes your point is moot but i'll i'm saying is income level should not be a deciding factor for admissions

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: hinduluv

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: So
Simple question: Why should income level lower the standard for entry more than race?

No special privledges for ANYBODY, rich or poor, black or white!

Those who live in poorer neighborhoods aren't given the same opportunities so its hard to measure them on the same level.

But if they work hard, they should have the grades to get into a good school regardless of income

thats the whole point, if he had taken 10 could he have gotten into harvard, yale or princeton?
What if their school only offers say.. 3 AP classes and a richer school in a better neighborhood offers 10. Should the poor kid, who took all 3 APs and got As, be rejected since he didn't take enough? And how should he be compared to someone in the richer HS that only took 3 of 10 possible APs?

than maybe that kid shouldn't go to harvard/yale/princeton but I would be shocked if he could not get into a decent state school

thats the whole point, if he had taken 10 could he have gotten into harvard, yale or princeton?

maybe he would maybe not

you can't really play the what if game

what if, if he would have taken 10 ap classes he would have struggled and gotten C's
and would have ended up going to a community college

rich people have a leg up on others but so what? are you going to cry every time you see some 16 year old kid driving a vette their parents bought for them

you can only give some people so many breaks and if you are that determined to go to "harvard" than maybe you would work your ass off and go to a private school or do something else, whatever it takes

hell i know at least one kid that went to my public high school that studied on his own and took AP tests that weren't even offered by the school, he ended up going to stanford and got accepted to princeton, upenn etc. whereas the valedictorian got rejected

not everyone deserves an IVY league education is all i'm saying just like not every kid that dreams of going to the NBA deserves to , no matter how hard they train

all i'm saying is anyone that goes to highschool these days has a shot at a college level education

also if harvard does factor in available classes your point is moot but i'll i'm saying is income level should not be a deciding factor for admissions

QFT, life ain't fair

College is what you make of it anyways. You can find opportunities no matter what school you go to.

 

[piasabird]

This is my take on accepting applicants into a medical program. Normally a board meets and decides who they will accept. I think the majority of admissions should be based on the merit and qualifications of the applicant pool versus the requirements. However, I think that a school has a right to set aside a few slots based on a percentage of the total to allow people to be accepted that may fall slightly below the standards so some people can be accepted under special circumstances at the school's discretion. There is always someone that comes from such a poor neighborhood or maybe was an immigrant and doesnt speek perfect english that is at a disadvantage that might otherwise make a great doctor. I think every school should have some discretion in the decision making process.

America loves the underdog.

 

[Ns1]

if you're not smart enough you shouldn't be there, no exceptions

 

[scorpmatt]

w00t for being the one to vote for going to alot of school

 

[imported_xaguynamedguyx]

definitely income based. just because someone comes from a low income family doesnt mean that they arent smart. it just means that their family doesnt make as much money.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: xaguynamedguyx
definitely income based. just because someone comes from a low income family doesnt mean that they arent smart. it just means that their family doesnt make as much money.

And money matters to 'smartness' how?

if a person is smart and capable and busts their azz, why does how much money they have matter?

 

[Megatomic]

Down with all affirmative action. Make it all merit based.

 

[her209]

BTW, aren't (East) Indians the majority when it comes to the medical field?

 

[dr150]

I'm all for it as long as the difference isn't too egregious.

 

[Kadarin]

Affirmative Action is bad no matter how you look at it. I prefer a system based strictly on merit.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: her209
BTW, aren't (East) Indians the majority when it comes to the medical field?

I'm pretty sure its still white people...

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Affirmative Action is bad no matter how you look at it. I prefer a system based strictly on merit.

 

[Mo0o]

Meritocracies work well when everyone is equal but in a normal society, it just promotes socialstratificiation and limits class mobility due to the inherent differences in oppotunity. Ancient china's bureaucracy was technically run on a meritocracy but in the end it was mostly nobility that earned the government positions because itwa s only them that could afford the education to compete at those levels.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
not everyone deserves an IVY league education is all i'm saying just like not every kid that dreams of going to the NBA deserves to , no matter how hard they train

Exactly, our president doesn't

Aside from that. I have seen it used to be the whites that complain about affirmitive action in UC administration in california, as they were lifted, there are now mostly asian in UC and white people are minorities.

I heard that they are now complaining that it is not beneficial, and want the system to be more balanced.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: her209
BTW, aren't (East) Indians the majority when it comes to the medical field?

I'm pretty sure its still white people...

Oops... sorry. I meant surgeons.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: her209
BTW, aren't (East) Indians the majority when it comes to the medical field?

I'm pretty sure its still white people...

Oops... sorry. I meant surgeons.

I have no clue, but just going by numbers, it shouldn't should it? Also I have a bunch of premed indian friends and none of them want to be a surgeon. I doubt theres demographic statistics on this kind of thing.

 

[hinduluv]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: her209
BTW, aren't (East) Indians the majority when it comes to the medical field?

I'm pretty sure its still white people...

Oops... sorry. I meant surgeons.

I have no clue, but just going by numbers, it shouldn't should it? Also I have a bunch of premed indian friends and none of them want to be a surgeon. I doubt theres demographic statistics on this kind of thing.

its white.

 

[kogase]

Admission should be based on merit. Any discrepancies as far as admissions go between races and classes should be solved by attacking the root of the problem: poverty and lack of education among minorities and lower classes. I say "no" to a bandaid fix that simply ends up unjustly disenfranchising richer/whiter people who worked hard to get into college.

 

[Pepsi90919]

it's not "ya or na" or "nay or ya"

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
it's not "ya or na" or "nay or ya"

Yea/nay?

 

[Landroval]

Yes, but it should be based on income and whether parents have attended college, i.e., preference for first generation, low-income people.

 

[mchammer]

Ummmmmmmmmm..............

P&N?????????

 

[Nitemare]

Legalized reverse discrimination plain and simple.

Favoritism towards anyone of a particular color or ethnicity is not ok in my books.

It might have had its time and place 50 years ago, but not any more.

 

[DJFuji]

AA is government sanctioned racial discrimination. What are we teaching incoming college students by demonstrating that the race card overpowers merit?

On the other hand, I fully support favoring the more disadvantaged applicant if they are otherwise equal. Say you have 2 millionaires both worth the same amount of money. One grew up poor and began his adult life with $5 in his pocket. The other was born a billionaire but was foolish and lost most of the family fortune. Now they are equal in terms of net worth. But which is the better candidate?