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Advice regarding my Asus Sandy Bridge recall

dot4xDaSH

Junior Member
Hey everyone first off let me say thanks to anyone who takes the time to read and respond to this.

To summarize, I bought components for a new system and a laptop on 1/29/11 On 1/31/11 Intel announced the issues with Sandy Bridge. On 2/1/11 Asus issued their own PR stating they would take care of affected customers "hassle-free." At that point I had yet to confirm my order (was on security hold due to $$$ amount) so it still had not processed. My options then were 2, I could cancel the order and wait for revised hardware before purchasing or I could confirm the order and deal with the recall. Hindsight being 20/20 I should have chosen the other but I allowed myself to believe Asus would take care of their customers so I confirmed the order.

The 2 faulty products included in my order were a N53SV laptop and a P8P67-M motherboard.

Fast forward to the beginning of April. New revision hardware starts showing up just as I began to experience the flaw on my desktop system (much worse than what they said in Intel PR I totally understand the recall though not how the product made it so far along without catching it)

So, I called up Asus and was referred to their website for RMA. I filled out the appropriate forms and was then presented with 2 options. I could send my faulty hardware in and when they were in receipt they would return ship the revised hardware or I could place hold deposits in the amounts of $1269 and $149 at which point they would ship the revised hardware first and I could then return ship following which they would release the holds.

This is where my relationship with Asus went south. I have now dealt with a few people at Asus but they are not willing to budge. My position is that this is a problem between Asus and Intel, not one to which I bear responsibility, and therefore both options are unacceptable.

I do not believe having downtime or having to issue a $1500 interest free loan to Asus or the CC processing company is "hassle-free." I have told them I am willing to provide a CC number but do not consent to a security hold, if they want insurance they should talk to Intel as they have promised to cover all costs per their PR.

All I am asking for is that Asus ship the replacements first and when I have installed them I will send the originals. I will provide a CC number which could be charged in the event they do not receive the originals back but do not consent to it being charged until that happens.

To this end I have filed complaint with BBB and am now here asking for advice on what the best way to pursue this would be. I believe I am thoroughly in the right and that Asus is simply using their size to force me to accept a position which is not right as the paying customer.

Thoughts, advice, criticisms?
 
I believe I am thoroughly in the right

You're not.

Asus' RMA procedure for the Cougar Point debacle is industry standard. Actually, industry standard is to send you a replacement once they receive your defective product. Offering to send you an advance RMA is excellent customer service, imho, though certainly not out of the ordinary. The hold's sole purpose is so they can verify that your credit card info is legit. Otherwise, anyone could tell them their credit card info is 123456789101112 exp. date 7/17 and get free stuff.

You can file all the complaints you want, but no one is going to take you seriously. You're just wasting your time and delaying the arrival of your replacement parts.
 
Nope...ASUS is in the right. Why would they send you replacement hardware without either having the defective hardware in hand...or having access to your money if you don't return the goods?

Not everyone in the world is honest...and many would just keep the old hardware if they could get away with it.
 
Well if you don't want to pay a deposit for an advanced RMA you can just send them the defective hardware and wait till you get a replacement.
 
Why should I trust them they aren't just going to take my money and not send the hardware or take my hardware and not send replacements. All I am asking is that we both be looked at in an equal light.

They should send it because I have already paid for the hardware in question. The hardware in question is not as advertised therefore they are in the wrong.

I understand their position as far as they are trying to keep themselves from getting ripped off, but to be honest it is not my problem. I am the one who has been stolen from not the other way around.

Thanks for the opinions guys.


Well if you don't want to pay a deposit for an advanced RMA you can just send them the defective hardware and wait till you get a replacement.

Because that would lead to downtime through the fault of Asus not doing proper QA. That would also not be "hassle-free" as promised by Asus.
 
Why should I trust them they aren't just going to take my money and not send the hardware or take my hardware and not send replacements. All I am asking is that we both be looked at in an equal light.

They should send it because I have already paid for the hardware in question. The hardware in question is not as advertised therefore they are in the wrong.

I understand their position as far as they are trying to keep themselves from getting ripped off, but to be honest it is not my problem. I am the one who has been stolen from not the other way around.

Thanks for the opinions guys.




Because that would lead to downtime through the fault of Asus not doing proper QA. That would also not be "hassle-free" as promised by Asus.


You haven't been "stolen from." You got hardware that has a defect. They've offered to replace it free of charge...once they get the defective hardware back...or you put up your credit card as collateral.
 
Just give them your CC, let them put a $1500 hold or whatever the amount is, and get your replacement parts. You aren't going to be charged.

And in the very unlikely event that ASUS tries to steal your money and not ship out your products, you can always do a chargeback...your CC has your back.
 
Thanks for the heads up on ASUS and how they provide "tech support." You are not the first to have trouble with ASUS. I am looking for a new laptop in the under $2K range.

I will now cross them off my list.

Looking at Dell, HP, others. Appreciate a heads up from anyone.

Ed
 
Thanks for the heads up on ASUS and how they provide "tech support." You are not the first to have trouble with ASUS. I am looking for a new laptop in the under $2K range.

I will now cross them off my list.

Looking at Dell, HP, others. Appreciate a heads up from anyone.

Ed


Go read the rma procedures for all those other companies. Your list is going to get real small.
 
Go read the rma procedures for all those other companies. Your list is going to get real small.

No kidding. ASUS offers advanced replacement for many of their products. Lots of companies barely warranty their stuff...let alone offer advance replacement.
While I don't think I'd buy an ASUS notebook or desktop, I DO buy their motherboards...not only because, in my experience, they've very well built with a very low failure rate, but also because of their top-notch customer service.
 
Why should I trust them they aren't just going to take my money and not send the hardware or take my hardware and not send replacements. All I am asking is that we both be looked at in an equal light.

They should send it because I have already paid for the hardware in question. The hardware in question is not as advertised therefore they are in the wrong.

I understand their position as far as they are trying to keep themselves from getting ripped off, but to be honest it is not my problem. I am the one who has been stolen from not the other way around.

Thanks for the opinions guys.




Because that would lead to downtime through the fault of Asus not doing proper QA. That would also not be "hassle-free" as promised by Asus.

The issue wasn't because Asus didn't do adequate QA testing, it was Intel's fault. It was a manufacturing defect in the chipset. Every manufacturer was affected by it, not just Asus. Asus is a reputable company, they aren't going to take your stuff and not send you new ones. They send you a shipping label with tracking(and insurance I believe), just follow the directions they have on the RMA form and you will get new stuff and won't actually be charged. Putting a hold on the CC is industry standard practice for an advance RMA. Hard drives, motherboards, video cards, I've seen it on every component where a manufacturer offers an advance RMA. I doubt you will win this one.
 
I do not believe having downtime or having to issue a $1500 interest free loan to Asus or the CC processing company is "hassle-free." I have told them I am willing to provide a CC number but do not consent to a security hold, if they want insurance they should talk to Intel as they have promised to cover all costs per their PR.

I understand their position as far as they are trying to keep themselves from getting ripped off, but to be honest it is not my problem. I am the one who has been stolen from not the other way around.

I understand that you're upset, but that doesn't really excuse hyperbole. It was mistake, these things happen. You're not being stolen from or asked to give ASUS a loan. If you can prove (in a court of law) that ASUS putting a hold on your credit card causes you real damages, it is certainly your right to file a suit. However, you're not getting a bum deal by any stretch of the imagination. You're getting the industry standard.
 
Because you will have all of this on record there is NO way Asus could steal your money, give them the "loan" as you say, and get your new shit. Honestly Asus is a well respected company and wouldn't risk a court case over that petty little shit, and 1,500 is NOT a big chunk of Asus's wallet so the likely hood they will try and steal it is almost 0% not to mention it is what EVERY OTHER company is doing as well, some even less then asus!
 
While it may be the industry standard for RMA this is different, no where as part of Asus' RMA policy do they promise hassle-free. The terms of their press release promise an experience that is far better than the standard RMA deal.

http://event.asus.com/2011/SandyBridge/notice/

It's right there if you would like to read it for yourself. At no point have I been offered a refund either which it says is an option in the PR.

I agree with the guy who said I should ask them to put a deposit down in order for me to send the hardware first. :thumbsup: That is the same thing they are asking me to do. I don't understand why I am somehow inherently less trustworthy than Asus. I have more to lose in the way of criminal charges than they do in terms of monetary loss.

As far as I am concerned yes Asus is culpable. This P8P67 motherboard made it through the middle of April before all 4 SATA2 ports were dead. That is 1.3 months of regular desktop/gaming use. Hardly the sort of data processing a server would see or should have been seen in testing. I call BS. If they used 10 of these things intensively for a good period of testing they would have seen the problem and how widespread it was. I surly did not need Intel's "laboratory conditions" to have it happen and if you google around the people with the original Sandy Bridge didn't either. I think they took Intel's word for it just as I took their word. However my motherboard says Asus not Intel. Therefore I expect Asus to handle it. Likewise as the faulty component says Intel on it they can then pass their problems along to Intel. They are passing their problems on to me I do not accept that.

As for suing that would be extreme. Hopefully through the BBB some more amicable solution can be presented.
 
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I don't understand why I am somehow inherently less trustworthy than Asus.

Lol, because you aren't a multibillion dollar corporation? THAT would be my guess, i mean i dont know you nor have i heard of you, i HAVE heard of Asus and their customer testimonials.
 
Lol, because you aren't a multibillion dollar corporation? THAT would be my guess, i mean i dont know you nor have i heard of you, i HAVE heard of Asus and their customer testimonials.

LOL @ calling multibillion dollar corporation inherently trustworthy. I guess if you have a pessimistic outlook I can agree with saying an unknown individual is inherently untrustworthy. I have heard of them too buddy, been with them since my Celeron 300A and P2B. No matter how this all pans out I am done with them though, this is the first time I have had to use their after purchase services, I don't agree with them assuming they already paid customer guilty. While I agree with everyone here about the regular terms of RMA my disagreement is that this is a recall under different terms than a regular RMA. The terms set forth in their PR.
 
LOL @ calling multibillion dollar corporation inherently trustworthy. I guess if you have a pessimistic outlook I can agree with saying an unknown individual is inherently untrustworthy. I have heard of them too buddy, been with them since my Celeron 300A and P2B. No matter how this all pans out I am done with them though, this is the first time I have had to use their after purchase services, I don't agree with them assuming they already paid customer guilty. While I agree with everyone here about the regular terms of RMA my disagreement is that this is a recall under different terms than a regular RMA. The terms set forth in their PR.

Get the hell over it and wait or give them a hold for a few days, they are in the right, switching companies wont help as everyone else does it too... you aren't making any sense. Provide an example of a company who deals the way you would like instead of saying what Asus SHOULD do.
 
Hopefully through the BBB some more amicable solution can be presented.

lol. The BBB is a sham.

No offense, but you're just being thick-headed. What part of "you're just wasting your time" did you not understand? You bought a defective product, TS, get it replaced. No one maliciously ripped you off or stole your shit. If you really have a problem with the way you're being treated, buy some other company's product. Then when it breaks, and they treat you the same way, you can make another thread bemoaning your 'inconvenience.'
 
I do not have $1500 for them to hold on my debit card and I do not have $1500 in credit available for them to hold there either. So what you propose is that because I cannot extend this line of my personal credit to Asus I deserve to have downtime.
 
I do not have $1500 for them to hold on my debit card and I do not have $1500 in credit available for them to hold there either. So what you propose is that because I cannot extend this line of my personal credit to Asus I deserve to have downtime.

I dont think you deserve special treatment because you think you are more inconvenienced then anyone else.
 
I do not have $1500 for them to hold on my debit card and I do not have $1500 in credit available for them to hold there either. So what you propose is that because I cannot extend this line of my personal credit to Asus I deserve to have downtime.

If you can't afford to have $1,500 tied up on a credit card for a week wtf are you buying $1,000+ laptops for? Not smart.
 
If you buy something at a store that is defective you have to return it first to get a replacement. This is just the same.
 
The advice seems to be that you are being unreasonable. Don't ask for advice, if you don't want to hear it. It will not always be sweetness and light.

I have a good friend who works in tech support for a major computer seller. They get people trying to cheat, steal, or otherwise game the system all the time. And also folks who just have unreasonable expectations.

Take your lumps, and if you still feel cranky, just swear off Asus in the future.

"Fast forward to the beginning of April. New revision hardware starts showing up just as I began to experience the flaw on my desktop system (much worse than what they said in Intel PR I totally understand the recall though not how the product made it so far along without catching it)"

This was the most interesting part of your complaint to me, as it appears that Intel might have downplayed the problem just a little bit. Oh, and the error came about due to sloppy revision control, from what I recall. Sample versions worked fine, but the production run was hosed.
 
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