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piasabird

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What normally happens is that something will happen when he is sick and he will be foreced to miss work and then he will be fired. If you use all your sick days immediately and live on the edge eventually it catches up with you. Probably nothing will happen till he ticks off his boss.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The big question is....

IS HE UNION??

nope not union.


Originally posted by: BoomerD
As long as he gets doctor's notes for his "injuries", there's not much they can do about those either, except perhaps send him to a "company doctor" for confirmation of the injuries...Are these injuries work-related or happen on personal time?
If they're work related, then workmans comp should be involved, whether he wants it or not. Protects both the worker and the company.

they are on personal time.
 

Onita

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The big question is....

IS HE UNION??

nope not union.


Originally posted by: BoomerD
As long as he gets doctor's notes for his "injuries", there's not much they can do about those either, except perhaps send him to a "company doctor" for confirmation of the injuries...Are these injuries work-related or happen on personal time?
If they're work related, then workmans comp should be involved, whether he wants it or not. Protects both the worker and the company.

they are on personal time.

Is he claiming he was injured at work? Or injured at home, and taking personal time?
 

bonkers325

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does he do his job right? does he work effectively? if he does, then he is fine. theres no reason to get your panties in a bunch if he is a hard honest worker but likes to take days off when they are available.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: rpkelly
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The big question is....

IS HE UNION??

nope not union.


Originally posted by: BoomerD
As long as he gets doctor's notes for his "injuries", there's not much they can do about those either, except perhaps send him to a "company doctor" for confirmation of the injuries...Are these injuries work-related or happen on personal time?
If they're work related, then workmans comp should be involved, whether he wants it or not. Protects both the worker and the company.

they are on personal time.

Is he claiming he was injured at work? Or injured at home, and taking personal time?

Injured at home.

but then if out for 3+ days you can file STD (short term disablity) and get paid for those days.
 

ATLien247

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If there's no chance for promotion, and if he hasn't gotten red-flagged by management, then I say earn and burn!
 

olds

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Originally posted by: mundane
There's really no question, his behavior is going to come back and bite him in the ass.
That's another week off on disability.

 

thepd7

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Answer me this: would you rather have someone that works all the time half-assed or someone who goes 100% when they are there but takes 10% of the year off?

It sounds like he is very good at what he does so unless he really screws something up or stops working hard when he is there he should continue to stay employed.

I hope to be a manager some day and I wouldn't have any problem with this type of worker. You need to realize some people work differently and accept that. If his managers haven't fired him for it yet they probably won't. If other workers in the office can't see how hard he works when he is there and they get mad at him then they are idiots.

It's the work hard, play hard mentality. Some can't handle that, they just end up playing but for people who can discipline themselves to do that it works great.
 

yowolabi

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After reading all the details, it doesn't sound like his job is in danger. He sounds pretty valuable, and management would definitely warn him if he was on his way to being fired.
 

AnitaPeterson

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Only the 'getting hurt' thing is questionable. Otherwise he's totally right. Americans idea of 'work ethic' is generally pretty screwed up. I have much more of a European view. Work is the least important thing you will ever do, so don't let it interfere with the things that matter. When you work you should do your absolute best, but there's no reason to make it such an important part of your life.

Couldn't have said it better myself :p

Originally posted by: thepd7
Answer me this: would you rather have someone that works all the time half-assed or someone who goes 100% when they are there but takes 10% of the year off?

It sounds like he is very good at what he does so unless he really screws something up or stops working hard when he is there he should continue to stay employed.

I hope to be a manager some day and I wouldn't have any problem with this type of worker. You need to realize some people work differently and accept that. If his managers haven't fired him for it yet they probably won't. If other workers in the office can't see how hard he works when he is there and they get mad at him then they are idiots.

It's the work hard, play hard mentality. Some can't handle that, they just end up playing but for people who can discipline themselves to do that it works great.

That's exactly it... the prevalent type of cookie-cutter mentality, which requires everyone to behave in the same predictable way, is wrong. I actually call this "creativity" - the man is happy, he gets to do his stuff, play with the kids, be with the family, and also gets to work better than all the others who follow all the rules but aren't as good as he is.

If a manager doesn't see this as a useful symbiotic relationship, and tries to use some outdated and rusty Henry Ford theories, that manager is a failure - and a pretty stunted human being as well.

I shudder to read some of the reactions in this thread. Some of you really deserve to be transported through time and space in the Eastern Bloc, in the '60s and '70s... only then you will understand how silly you are with your narrow views of the world.
 

Tsaico

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I agree he isn't doing anything bad regarding the sick days, leave, or whatever. But if he is faking injury to collect pay, then he is commiting fraud, which can get him fired, fined, and jailed.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Sounds like legally he's in the clear. Although if it's at will employment they can fire him.

Is what he's doing ethical, no.

Let's talk about you admiting you're there but actually doing no work yourself ;)

At will don't mean s*** in this day and age.