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wyvrn

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No hub and switch will do the same thing (well not really, switch means every port gets full 10Mbit bandwidth, but since this is a 1.5MB connection or less, we will not worry about that here). I haven't ever seen a 24 port hub, but that would do just as nicely.
 

chiwawa626

Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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So in a switch every thing gets equal bandwidth, does that mean if there is 6 users it will split 6 ways or will it always be split 24 ways?
Wouldnt a hub be better then? since everyone just gets whatever bandwidth they need?
 

wyvrn

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Feb 15, 2000
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Yes, switch means every port gets the full 10Mbit bandwidth. Whereas a hub would take your 10Mbit in and divide by number of ports. So 10Mbit / 24 ports = 0.42 Mbit per port. That is typically why you will see switches used for multiple ports instead of hubs. Hubs are usually used for 8 or less connections. Plus switches can be configured to cut down on broadcasts that eat bandwidth.

Since your broadband connection is going to be WAY less than 10Mbit anyway, it is really a moot pt. Just realize "hub" and "switch" can be used interchangeably here.

 

rmblam

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Aug 24, 2000
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<< Oh instead of a switch i could get a hub then i would need the dhcp server huh? So its wise to just go switch? >>



No, you get the switch because it is more efficient. It only transmits data to and from the active IP where a HUB broadcasts the packets over the network to all IP's.

Hubs are cheaper but slower, switches are faster and more efficient therefore more expensive.

DHCP is handled by your router or NAT box not the switch or hub.

You might be better off just setting up a few workstations in the hotel for guests to use. That way you have control over their access and can control the network better.

How many customers will know how to configure their laptop to get on your network? Sounds like a headache to me.

[edit] this forum delay is goofy, I did not post this after you guys...?[/edit]
 

chiwawa626

Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Thanks for clearing that up..but i have another question
if i go from dsl>router>switch
and so i config the router for dhcp? and it will auto assign the ip to anyone on the switch?

eh now we have to get the wires all run nicely...
 

wyvrn

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Feb 15, 2000
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Most routers setup DHCP for you, so it is just a plug and play thing. When people log on in their rooms, they will need to have DHCP enabled for tcp/ip. Most people probably do this anyway, but some will have to change if they use a static ip addressing scheme at their work. So for the most part, like I said, it is plug and play.

and it will auto assign the ip to anyone on the switch?



The switch is just a pass through here. It does not work at the networking layer to determine IP addresses. That is precisely what your router is for. Basically the switch just acts as an expander for your single incoming broadband connection to the many connected computers (and will do a good job of making sure data only goes to its intended destination, reducing overhead).
 

trmiv

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Oct 10, 1999
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A lot of business class SDSL services include a good DSL router with advanced features, as opposed to the Westell Wirespeed I have for my home service, which is really a bridge with limited features (although a software download can turn mine into a router) . We have XO Commumications business class DSL at work, and it came with an Efficient Networks 5781 series DSL Router. We have NAT enabled on that, and it hooked to a Linksys hub (I know, I wanted a switch, but my boss is a tightwad), and then out to all the computers. We use static IP addresses, but the router we have has a built in DHCP server if we wanted to use that. So, if you went with something like that, you would hook it to something like a Linksys EF2S24 24 port switch. The built in DHCP on the router will assign internal IP addresses to the computers in the rooms when they log on, and you only need 1 public IP address if you use NAT. It would hook up like this: DSL line----> DSL Router-------->Switch------->Rooms
 

joe01

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Aug 10, 2001
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<< hmm seems good joe, but not avilible in me area!! >>



You can't get it either? Man I want Sprint Ion so bad so I can ditch Cox cable.
 

chiwawa626

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Ok, now that we sorta got that settled, where can i buy Keystone Jacks with Faceplates online. looking for eather white or beige....
also how exacyly do ur wires connect to a patch pannel (like the back) do u like punch them in or is there another rj45 on the back or ...?
 

lowtech1

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LAN setup (can use an old 386 for the firewall/router/DNS task)</P>
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+ Router&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; +=============External Network======ISP====== WWW
+ DNS&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; +
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+ Firewall +=============External Network======ISP====== WWW
+ Router&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; +
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