Advice about my job/career***UPDATE***

[ranmaniac]

It sounds like you have your mind made up, just realize that you're not going to be looked down upon (except for a few atot cretins) if you accept the temporary position, work is work, and there is no dishonor in taking financial responsibility for yourself.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

You'd really want to burn all credibility and bridges with a company you've been interning at for over a year and have a good relationship with? All those references gone, so he can leave for what may turn out to be a sh!tty job somewhere else?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I work in the tax dept at this large company. We just got a new tax director. I've been interning here for a year now, and I just graduated with my degree in accounting. For the last few months, everyone I work with (Tax Manager, Senior accountants, etc) have been lobbying for me to the CFO so that I would be offered a full-time position upon graduation. Well, hiring authority is given to the new tax director. I met with her and she's been here for about 2 weeks now. Now, let me also say that I was led to believe that an offer would be made to me here upon graduation. I really do want to work for this company. The tax director says that they can't hire anyone right now, however, she is willing to hire me as a temporary employee for 6 months. During the 6 months, I have to make a committment with the tax dept. for 3 months, and after that, I am free to continue the remaining 3 months. I will be paid a salary of $41,000, so for six months, Im looking at $20500 gross. Since it's a temporary position, I will not receive any benefits at all.

Basically Im being screwed here. It's busy tax season, and they want to use me at a minimum cost to them (temp employee with no benefits) without offering me a full-time position.

My concern is the 3 month committment. If I take this offer, I have to keep in the back of my head the idea of getting a new job soon, BUT, I can't take any offers from other companies for the next 3 months (because of the 3 month committment.)

I told upper management that I wanted a week to think about it. I already have my letter of resignation prepared, I'm just contemplating what I shoud do. Im fresh out of college, I have money in the savings to last for about 4 months. I just feel like I can do better than that crappy BS offer I was given and I should just keep my pride and look for another job.

What do you guys think?


CLIFFS:

Interning at company for a year
Graduated college
Offered a crappy temporary position with no benefits just for the tax season
Deciding whether or not I shoudld take it

lol there's no such thing as a 3 month commitment as a temp

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

I just read his response above. There's no contract. Hmm....tough one because it might tarnish your relationship with your boss. However, I want you to remember this....when someone calls and asks about you, they cannot say bad things about you. You can sue them for that. My point, they aren't exactly treating you fairly. $41 is a good starting salary though for anyone. I just think you need to make it very clear to them that you need benefits to stay. Put them in a position to make a decision.... Either way, you should be distributing your resume by this afternoon.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

The only "penalty" would be that the flavor of my references form this company would be tarnished if I left during the 3 month committment period.

 

[JS80]

Do you realize how many accounting jobs there are? You are a rare asset and the tax director is bluffing you. You should apply to the Big Four and leverage that position to call her bluff. Especially knowing how great the job market is out there for accountants, I would take it as an insult. The sad fact is she actually thinks you're dumb enough to actually take that offer, but probably because you're a noob right out of college.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

I just read his response above. There's no contract. Hmm....tough one because it might tarnish your relationship with your boss. However, I want you to remember this....when someone calls and asks about you, they cannot say bad things about you. You can sue them for that. My point, they aren't exactly treating you fairly. $41 is a good starting salary though for anyone. I just think you need to make it very clear to them that you need benefits to stay. Put them in a position to make a decision.... Either way, you should be distributing your resume by this afternoon.

I started distributing my resume yesterday afternoon after I found out this news. I am in the process of scheduling an interview with a public CPA firm that contacted me back last night.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: JS80
Do you realize how many accounting jobs there are? You are a rare asset and the tax director is bluffing you. You should apply to the Big Four and leverage that position to call her bluff. Especially knowing how great the job market is out there for accountants, I would take it as an insult. The sad fact is she actually thinks you're dumb enough to actually take that offer, but probably because you're a noob right out of college.

Yea, I think she though I would jump all over the offer because Im desperate.

 

[gocubs2k5]

have you been even casually looking for other jobs with other companies? if you were led to believe you would have a job offer when you were done interning, and you relied on that enough to not look for other jobs, sue them for estoppel. you relied on it to your detriment. you couldnt have another internship or anything, so you are just screwed...good luck

 

[slatr]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

I just read his response above. There's no contract. Hmm....tough one because it might tarnish your relationship with your boss. However, I want you to remember this....when someone calls and asks about you, they cannot say bad things about you. You can sue them for that. My point, they aren't exactly treating you fairly. $41 is a good starting salary though for anyone. I just think you need to make it very clear to them that you need benefits to stay. Put them in a position to make a decision.... Either way, you should be distributing your resume by this afternoon.

I started distributing my resume yesterday afternoon after I found out this news. I am in the process of scheduling an interview with a public CPA firm that contacted me back last night.

Good for you! Glad to hear you aren't going to take that temp position.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

I just read his response above. There's no contract. Hmm....tough one because it might tarnish your relationship with your boss. However, I want you to remember this....when someone calls and asks about you, they cannot say bad things about you. You can sue them for that. My point, they aren't exactly treating you fairly. $41 is a good starting salary though for anyone. I just think you need to make it very clear to them that you need benefits to stay. Put them in a position to make a decision.... Either way, you should be distributing your resume by this afternoon.

$41k with no benefits (which is equivalent to $37k w/benefits) as a fresh grad WITH experience is HORRIBLE. When I was recruiting for accounting in 2004 audit was getting $45k full benefits and TAX was getting $50k. That's with ZERO experience.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

The only "penalty" would be that the flavor of my references form this company would be tarnished if I left during the 3 month committment period.

Trust me, if you leave within the 3 months you will NOT get bad references. Companies are NOT allowed give bad references. Even then, YOUR reference are the people you directly worked with, not this tax director bvtch. You made it sound like you have good rapport with them; I doubt they will bad mouth you. but if they do LAWSUIT CHA CHING$$$$

 

[krunchykrome]

Oh, one other thing I found a bit interesting was this. I found out this news yesterday. I was told to think it over for the day and get back to the tax director tomorrow (today) with my decision. She called me into her office this morning and asked me for my decision. I told her that I wanted a week to think about it.

She immedietly asked why and I told her that I needed time to determine if I can commit to this company at this time. She replied by saying "well you would be willing to take a full-time offer from us so why wouldnt you take a temporary offer. Why wouldnt you be able to commit."

And I explained to her that if I were to take the position, I would need to be 100% sure that I could commit for 3 months, and that decision requires more time to make.

I just found it interesting that she seemed to expect me to take the offer.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

I just read his response above. There's no contract. Hmm....tough one because it might tarnish your relationship with your boss. However, I want you to remember this....when someone calls and asks about you, they cannot say bad things about you. You can sue them for that. My point, they aren't exactly treating you fairly. $41 is a good starting salary though for anyone. I just think you need to make it very clear to them that you need benefits to stay. Put them in a position to make a decision.... Either way, you should be distributing your resume by this afternoon.

$41k with no benefits (which is equivalent to $37k w/benefits) as a fresh grad WITH experience is HORRIBLE. When I was recruiting for accounting in 2004 audit was getting $45k full benefits and TAX was getting $50k. That's with ZERO experience.

The salary is horrible, but I should mention that this is a non-profit organization. A very very large corporation, but still it is non-profit.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

I just read his response above. There's no contract. Hmm....tough one because it might tarnish your relationship with your boss. However, I want you to remember this....when someone calls and asks about you, they cannot say bad things about you. You can sue them for that. My point, they aren't exactly treating you fairly. $41 is a good starting salary though for anyone. I just think you need to make it very clear to them that you need benefits to stay. Put them in a position to make a decision.... Either way, you should be distributing your resume by this afternoon.

$41k with no benefits (which is equivalent to $37k w/benefits) as a fresh grad WITH experience is HORRIBLE. When I was recruiting for accounting in 2004 audit was getting $45k full benefits and TAX was getting $50k. That's with ZERO experience.

The salary is horrible, but I should mention that this is a non-profit organization. A very very large corporation, but still it is non-profit.

Non-profit doesn't mean the CFO/CEO still doesn't make $300k.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

I just read his response above. There's no contract. Hmm....tough one because it might tarnish your relationship with your boss. However, I want you to remember this....when someone calls and asks about you, they cannot say bad things about you. You can sue them for that. My point, they aren't exactly treating you fairly. $41 is a good starting salary though for anyone. I just think you need to make it very clear to them that you need benefits to stay. Put them in a position to make a decision.... Either way, you should be distributing your resume by this afternoon.

$41k with no benefits (which is equivalent to $37k w/benefits) as a fresh grad WITH experience is HORRIBLE. When I was recruiting for accounting in 2004 audit was getting $45k full benefits and TAX was getting $50k. That's with ZERO experience.

The salary is horrible, but I should mention that this is a non-profit organization. A very very large corporation, but still it is non-profit.

Non-profit doesn't mean the CFO/CEO still doesn't make $300k.

He makes more than that, remember, I work in the tax dept. 😛

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: slatr

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Do you have benefits now through your internship? Take the temporary position now. This will get you more money, but take this time to start looking elsewhere for a better deal. Give them 2 weeks notice if you get an offer somewhere else.

He can't leave for 3 months if he does that.

I work in a hire/fire state. What would the penalty be if he stopped showing up?

I just read his response above. There's no contract. Hmm....tough one because it might tarnish your relationship with your boss. However, I want you to remember this....when someone calls and asks about you, they cannot say bad things about you. You can sue them for that. My point, they aren't exactly treating you fairly. $41 is a good starting salary though for anyone. I just think you need to make it very clear to them that you need benefits to stay. Put them in a position to make a decision.... Either way, you should be distributing your resume by this afternoon.

$41k with no benefits (which is equivalent to $37k w/benefits) as a fresh grad WITH experience is HORRIBLE. When I was recruiting for accounting in 2004 audit was getting $45k full benefits and TAX was getting $50k. That's with ZERO experience.

The salary is horrible, but I should mention that this is a non-profit organization. A very very large corporation, but still it is non-profit.

Non-profit doesn't mean the CFO/CEO still doesn't make $300k.

He makes more than that, remember, I work in the tax dept. 😛

Heh, not surprised.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Oh, one other thing I found a bit interesting was this. I found out this news yesterday. I was told to think it over for the day and get back to the tax director tomorrow (today) with my decision. She called me into her office this morning and asked me for my decision. I told her that I wanted a week to think about it.

She immedietly asked why and I told her that I needed time to determine if I can commit to this company at this time. She replied by saying "well you would be willing to take a full-time offer from us so why wouldnt you take a temporary offer. Why wouldnt you be able to commit."

And I explained to her that if I were to take the position, I would need to be 100% sure that I could commit for 3 months, and that decision requires more time to make.

I just found it interesting that she seemed to expect me to take the offer.

Is she really that dense that she can't see why you'd have a problem committing to an inferior position? 😕

I hope you find a company that appreciates your skills more than she does. :thumbsup:

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Sorry to hear about your predicament krunchykrome. I am an accountant too. I am a staff accountant with about 1.5 years of experience. It sounds like to me they are trying to take advantage of you and it should piss you off.

However, do not take your anger into consideration when making your decision. Fortunately, we are in high demand so I would be extremely surprised if you had trouble finding another position else where.

Attempt to negotiate a better offer with them. Remember, it costs your employer a considerable amount to find a suitable replacement for you as well as training them. It doesn't help their situation that they are entering the busy tax season. You are in a better position to negotiate than you think.

Just my opinion on the matter, take it for what its worth.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
Sorry to hear about your predicament krunchykrome. I am an accountant too. I am a staff accountant with about 1.5 years of experience. It sounds like to me they are trying to take advantage of you and it should piss you off.

However, do not take your anger into consideration when making your decision. Fortunately, we are in high demand so I would be extremely surprised if you had trouble finding another position else where.

Attempt to negotiate a better offer with them. Remember, it costs your employer a considerable amount to find a suitable replacement for you as well as training them. It doesn't help their situation that they are entering the busy tax season. You are in a better position to negotiate than you think.

Just my opinion on the matter, take it for what its worth.

:thumbsup:
Even though you are out of college, you DO have experience. I would consider you an experienced hire. You did the same exact shvt that a staff does as an intern.

 

[krunchykrome]

Well, I have an another interview already tomorrow for an auditing position at a regional accounting firm.

Wish me luck!

I'll update later this week on how the interview goes, and I'll update on Monday about my decision regarding my internship and the crappy offer they gave me.

 

[krunchykrome]

Well, after last Monday's bad news and crappy job offer from my internship, I got a call from a regional accounting firm for an auditing position. I interviewed the next day and I was offered a new job by the end of the week. The position is staff auditor, it pays in the low $40K's, 401K, full benefits, and a bunch of other perks. One thing I really liked about the position and company is that this firm actually pays overtime on top of base salaries. Overtime is almost always necessary with auditing, and this is one of the only firms I know of that will compensate employees for extra hours.



This morning, I went into the director's office (where I currently intern) and gave them the news that I would not be accepting the temporary position they offered me and I would be working only two more weeks with the company. First they asked why, and I said it was because of the temporary status that would exempt me from receiving any benefits. They immedietly made me a counter-offer and said they might be able to give me benefits. Then I said I wanted a permanent position, not a 6- month position, in which they countered again by saying that they might be able to extend the length of the offer. After saying that I was firm with my decision, they asked me if I would change my mind if they renegotiated an offer for me.

I said no. 🙂

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Well, after last Monday's bad news and crappy job offer from my internship, I got a call from a regional accounting firm for an auditing position. I interviewed the next day and I was offered a new job by the end of the week. The position is staff auditor, it pays in the low $40K's, 401K, full benefits, and a bunch of other perks. One thing I really liked about the position and company is that this firm actually pays overtime on top of base salaries. Overtime is almost always necessary with auditing, and this is one of the only firms I know of that will compensate employees for extra hours.



This morning, I went into the director's office (where I currently intern) and gave them the news. First they asked why, and I said it was because of the temporary status that would exempt me from receiving any benefits. They immedietly made me a counter-offer and said they might be able to give me benefits. Then I said I wanted a permanent position, not a 6- month position, in which they countered again by saying that they might be able to extend the length of the offer. After saying that I was firm with my decision, they asked me if I would change my mind if they renegotiated an offer for me.

I said no. 🙂

Congratulations on the new position!

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Well, after last Monday's bad news and crappy job offer from my internship, I got a call from a regional accounting firm for an auditing position. I interviewed the next day and I was offered a new job by the end of the week. The position is staff auditor, it pays in the low $40K's, 401K, full benefits, and a bunch of other perks. One thing I really liked about the position and company is that this firm actually pays overtime on top of base salaries. Overtime is almost always necessary with auditing, and this is one of the only firms I know of that will compensate employees for extra hours.



This morning, I went into the director's office (where I currently intern) and gave them the news that I would not be accepting the temporary position they offered me and I would be working only two more weeks with the company. First they asked why, and I said it was because of the temporary status that would exempt me from receiving any benefits. They immedietly made me a counter-offer and said they might be able to give me benefits. Then I said I wanted a permanent position, not a 6- month position, in which they countered again by saying that they might be able to extend the length of the offer. After saying that I was firm with my decision, they asked me if I would change my mind if they renegotiated an offer for me.

I said no. 🙂

ah.. see.. they were taking advantage of you, the scums. you dont want to work there.

congrats on walking out of that place!

edit:
how about updating your OP so others dont have to search for it?