Adults vs. Minors - the distinction just bothers me.

[EyeMWing]

There is just something fundamentally logically DAMAGED about all the various laws dealing with the distinction between minors and adults.

The whole concept that, all of a sudden, at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you suddenly:
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)
- Become worldly enough to sign contracts
- Become mature and sound enough to make decisions involving your own health, including whether or not you should smoke (uh, for the most part, none of us want to die, so right about the time when we learn how to communicate effectively, we can prettymuch make those decisions)
- Own property (Uhhh yeah, I paid for everything I ever had, save for food, since the day I turned 15. I just didn't have legal rights to any of it unless I bought it after I turned 18. Technically speaking, the move I'm undergoing right now involves the "theft" of quite a lot of stuff from my parents.)
- etc.

In my opinion, all or most of this should be operated in more of a gray area. Perhaps allow minors to enter into some kinds of contracts by themselves. Let the legal system decide if any wrong was actually done is sex comes into dispute. And really, I see no reason at all why anyone should be restricted from owning property.

And don't even get me started on adults and adulter-adults (the drinking age). That's just TOTALLY out of wack.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
There is just something fundamentally logically DAMAGED about all the various laws dealing with the distinction between minors and adults.

The whole concept that, all of a sudden, at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you suddenly:
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)
- Become worldly enough to sign contracts
- Become mature and sound enough to make decisions involving your own health, including whether or not you should smoke (uh, for the most part, none of us want to die, so right about the time when we learn how to communicate effectively, we can prettymuch make those decisions)
- Own property (Uhhh yeah, I paid for everything I ever had, save for food, since the day I turned 15. I just didn't have legal rights to any of it unless I bought it after I turned 18. Technically speaking, the move I'm undergoing right now involves the "theft" of quite a lot of stuff from my parents.)
- etc.

In my opinion, all or most of this should be operated in more of a gray area. Perhaps allow minors to enter into some kinds of contracts by themselves. Let the legal system decide if any wrong was actually done is sex comes into dispute. And really, I see no reason at all why anyone should be restricted from owning property.

And don't even get me started on adults and adulter-adults (the drinking age). That's just TOTALLY out of wack.

I thought you lived in your parents basement

 

[imported_LoKe]

There has to be some sort of restriction.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
There is just something fundamentally logically DAMAGED about all the various laws dealing with the distinction between minors and adults.

The whole concept that, all of a sudden, at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you suddenly:
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)
- Become worldly enough to sign contracts
- Become mature and sound enough to make decisions involving your own health, including whether or not you should smoke (uh, for the most part, none of us want to die, so right about the time when we learn how to communicate effectively, we can prettymuch make those decisions)
- Own property (Uhhh yeah, I paid for everything I ever had, save for food, since the day I turned 15. I just didn't have legal rights to any of it unless I bought it after I turned 18. Technically speaking, the move I'm undergoing right now involves the "theft" of quite a lot of stuff from my parents.)
- etc.

In my opinion, all or most of this should be operated in more of a gray area. Perhaps allow minors to enter into some kinds of contracts by themselves. Let the legal system decide if any wrong was actually done is sex comes into dispute. And really, I see no reason at all why anyone should be restricted from owning property.

And don't even get me started on adults and adulter-adults (the drinking age). That's just TOTALLY out of wack.

I thought you lived in your parents basement

I did a few hours ago. Not anymore.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: LoKe
There has to be some sort of restriction.

I agree, but the way it's structured now is just... retarded.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)

I think most women aren't mentally mature enough to have sex until very late teens, early twenties.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
There is just something fundamentally logically DAMAGED about all the various laws dealing with the distinction between minors and adults.

The whole concept that, all of a sudden, at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you suddenly:
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)
- Become worldly enough to sign contracts
- Become mature and sound enough to make decisions involving your own health, including whether or not you should smoke (uh, for the most part, none of us want to die, so right about the time when we learn how to communicate effectively, we can prettymuch make those decisions)
- Own property (Uhhh yeah, I paid for everything I ever had, save for food, since the day I turned 15. I just didn't have legal rights to any of it unless I bought it after I turned 18. Technically speaking, the move I'm undergoing right now involves the "theft" of quite a lot of stuff from my parents.)
- etc.

In my opinion, all or most of this should be operated in more of a gray area. Perhaps allow minors to enter into some kinds of contracts by themselves. Let the legal system decide if any wrong was actually done is sex comes into dispute. And really, I see no reason at all why anyone should be restricted from owning property.

And don't even get me started on adults and adulter-adults (the drinking age). That's just TOTALLY out of wack.

I thought you lived in your parents basement

I did a few hours ago. Not anymore.

why would you pay rent at your parents house at teh age of 15. that's just financially silly unless your parents needed the money. if you have so much money flowing out of your ass to pay for a basement at standard rent rates then you might as well save that money and buy a house rather and dump all back into your parents who should have let you stay for free anyways.

 

[FelixDeCat]

They still arent completely legal until 21. :beer:

 

[mb]

Did you stop and think how much time and money it would take to review everyone on a case by case basis? Making it age 18 simplifies things a lot.

 

[j00fek]

your parents bring you up and this is what you decide. that they stol from you? if you want to say that pay em back for all the food, diapers, clothes etc till you were 15

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
There is just something fundamentally logically DAMAGED about all the various laws dealing with the distinction between minors and adults.

The whole concept that, all of a sudden, at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you suddenly:
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)
- Become worldly enough to sign contracts
- Become mature and sound enough to make decisions involving your own health, including whether or not you should smoke (uh, for the most part, none of us want to die, so right about the time when we learn how to communicate effectively, we can prettymuch make those decisions)
- Own property (Uhhh yeah, I paid for everything I ever had, save for food, since the day I turned 15. I just didn't have legal rights to any of it unless I bought it after I turned 18. Technically speaking, the move I'm undergoing right now involves the "theft" of quite a lot of stuff from my parents.)
- etc.

In my opinion, all or most of this should be operated in more of a gray area. Perhaps allow minors to enter into some kinds of contracts by themselves. Let the legal system decide if any wrong was actually done is sex comes into dispute. And really, I see no reason at all why anyone should be restricted from owning property.

And don't even get me started on adults and adulter-adults (the drinking age). That's just TOTALLY out of wack.

I thought you lived in your parents basement

I did a few hours ago. Not anymore.

why would you pay rent at your parents house at teh age of 15. that's just financially silly unless your parents needed the money. if you have so much money flowing out of your ass to pay for a basement at standard rent rates then you might as well save that money and buy a house rather and dump all back into your parents who should have let you stay for free anyways.

Who said I was renting? I was referring to property up there.

 

[Rainsford]

Don't we need to set the line somewhere? You bitch about the current system, so what's the alternative? If we didn't have an arbitrary age that applies to everyone, that would mean different rules for everyone...and how exactly would that work?

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)

I think most women aren't mentally mature enough to have sex until very late teens, early twenties.

Can you explain this? I take it you mean that they shouldn't have sex, not that they are not capable of it. It seems to me a strange thing that a woman is physically capable of having a child, but for some reason her brain is not ready for it.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
There is just something fundamentally logically DAMAGED about all the various laws dealing with the distinction between minors and adults.

The whole concept that, all of a sudden, at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you suddenly:
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)
- Become worldly enough to sign contracts
- Become mature and sound enough to make decisions involving your own health, including whether or not you should smoke (uh, for the most part, none of us want to die, so right about the time when we learn how to communicate effectively, we can prettymuch make those decisions)
- Own property (Uhhh yeah, I paid for everything I ever had, save for food, since the day I turned 15. I just didn't have legal rights to any of it unless I bought it after I turned 18. Technically speaking, the move I'm undergoing right now involves the "theft" of quite a lot of stuff from my parents.)
- etc.

In my opinion, all or most of this should be operated in more of a gray area. Perhaps allow minors to enter into some kinds of contracts by themselves. Let the legal system decide if any wrong was actually done is sex comes into dispute. And really, I see no reason at all why anyone should be restricted from owning property.

And don't even get me started on adults and adulter-adults (the drinking age). That's just TOTALLY out of wack.

I thought you lived in your parents basement

I did a few hours ago. Not anymore.

why would you pay rent at your parents house at teh age of 15. that's just financially silly unless your parents needed the money. if you have so much money flowing out of your ass to pay for a basement at standard rent rates then you might as well save that money and buy a house rather and dump all back into your parents who should have let you stay for free anyways.

Who said I was renting? I was referring to property up there.

so you bought half of your parents house? did you sell it back to them?

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: supafly
Did you stop and think how much time and money it would take to review everyone on a case by case basis? Making it age 18 simplifies things a lot.

And then there's the damage done to "sex offenders" (how many of us had sex before our 18th birthday?), and some odd small-percentage chances that some serious economic loss occurs because someone with an idea can't act upon it because they can't enter into the contracts required. There has to be a better solution than just blaneting everything with some magic number pulled out of society's collective ass, but I know I don't have it.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
There is just something fundamentally logically DAMAGED about all the various laws dealing with the distinction between minors and adults.

The whole concept that, all of a sudden, at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you suddenly:
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)
- Become worldly enough to sign contracts
- Become mature and sound enough to make decisions involving your own health, including whether or not you should smoke (uh, for the most part, none of us want to die, so right about the time when we learn how to communicate effectively, we can prettymuch make those decisions)
- Own property (Uhhh yeah, I paid for everything I ever had, save for food, since the day I turned 15. I just didn't have legal rights to any of it unless I bought it after I turned 18. Technically speaking, the move I'm undergoing right now involves the "theft" of quite a lot of stuff from my parents.)
- etc.

In my opinion, all or most of this should be operated in more of a gray area. Perhaps allow minors to enter into some kinds of contracts by themselves. Let the legal system decide if any wrong was actually done is sex comes into dispute. And really, I see no reason at all why anyone should be restricted from owning property.

And don't even get me started on adults and adulter-adults (the drinking age). That's just TOTALLY out of wack.

I thought you lived in your parents basement

I did a few hours ago. Not anymore.

why would you pay rent at your parents house at teh age of 15. that's just financially silly unless your parents needed the money. if you have so much money flowing out of your ass to pay for a basement at standard rent rates then you might as well save that money and buy a house rather and dump all back into your parents who should have let you stay for free anyways.

Who said I was renting? I was referring to property up there.

so you bought half of your parents house? did you sell it back to them?

You fail at reading. FFS.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
They still arent completely legal until 21. :beer:

I can bitch about that, if you want, too. Because that one makes NO sense whatsoever.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
There is just something fundamentally logically DAMAGED about all the various laws dealing with the distinction between minors and adults.

The whole concept that, all of a sudden, at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you suddenly:
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)
- Become worldly enough to sign contracts
- Become mature and sound enough to make decisions involving your own health, including whether or not you should smoke (uh, for the most part, none of us want to die, so right about the time when we learn how to communicate effectively, we can prettymuch make those decisions)
- Own property (Uhhh yeah, I paid for everything I ever had, save for food, since the day I turned 15. I just didn't have legal rights to any of it unless I bought it after I turned 18. Technically speaking, the move I'm undergoing right now involves the "theft" of quite a lot of stuff from my parents.)
- etc.

In my opinion, all or most of this should be operated in more of a gray area. Perhaps allow minors to enter into some kinds of contracts by themselves. Let the legal system decide if any wrong was actually done is sex comes into dispute. And really, I see no reason at all why anyone should be restricted from owning property.

And don't even get me started on adults and adulter-adults (the drinking age). That's just TOTALLY out of wack.

I thought you lived in your parents basement

I did a few hours ago. Not anymore.

why would you pay rent at your parents house at teh age of 15. that's just financially silly unless your parents needed the money. if you have so much money flowing out of your ass to pay for a basement at standard rent rates then you might as well save that money and buy a house rather and dump all back into your parents who should have let you stay for free anyways.

Who said I was renting? I was referring to property up there.

so you bought half of your parents house? did you sell it back to them?

You fail at reading. FFS.

I guess I do, care to explain?

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: LoKe
There has to be some sort of restriction.

I agree, but the way it's structured now is just... retarded.

Right, so you think that we should spend hundreds of millions of dollars changing the status quo, when you cite no examples of how this has so drastically impacted society as to warrant the change? Does this make sense to anyone else?

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
- Become physically and mentally mature enough to have sex (physically, we're all prettymuch equipped at age 14, and mentally depends on your upbringing, but most of us make that around 15 or 16)

I think most women aren't mentally mature enough to have sex until very late teens, early twenties.

Can you explain this? I take it you mean that they shouldn't have sex, not that they are not capable of it. It seems to me a strange thing that a woman is physically capable of having a child, but for some reason her brain is not ready for it.

Brain != mind. When you figure out what I mean by this you will understand what he is saying.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: supafly
Did you stop and think how much time and money it would take to review everyone on a case by case basis? Making it age 18 simplifies things a lot.

And then there's the damage done to "sex offenders" (how many of us had sex before our 18th birthday?), and some odd small-percentage chances that some serious economic loss occurs because someone with an idea can't act upon it because they can't enter into the contracts required. There has to be a better solution than just blaneting everything with some magic number pulled out of society's collective ass, but I know I don't have it.

Have you heard of the term "legal emancipation"? That has the effect of giving you the same rights as the age of majority, with a few exceptions.

 

[ziplux]

Originally posted by: fitzov
Can you explain this? I take it you mean that they shouldn't have sex, not that they are not capable of it. It seems to me a strange thing that a woman is physically capable of having a child, but for some reason her brain is not ready for it.

So you think that at age 14 a girl is ready to have a child? She's physically capable of having a child. I don't think that she is emotionally or mentally ready to have sex or have a child at that age.

 

[jman19]

The last thing an already overburdened legal system needs is to be making case-by-case decisions for every minor that falls in this "gray area" who makes a questionable decision.

 

[FallenHero]

You are also more protected than an adult is when you are a minor. Ever think of that one?

 

[zanieladie]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
You are also more protected than an adult is when you are a minor. Ever think of that one?

That's true.