Adoption? Not if your Jewish !

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Gardener

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Fenixgoon said:
HTF can you have a state-sponsored religious agency in the first place? Isn't that a clear 1A violation?
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Many religiously affiliated groups live off tax dollars for services paid through DSS, the courts, and government grants. I worked for an agency which received 95% of its funding from the state, yet required all of its employees to be christians, and actively proselytized its clients.
 
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The issue here is the state sponsorship and legal challenge to the new law which, like many of the abortion laws, are attempts to screw real people in order to shred SCOTUS precedent with the new conservative majority. I don't think it should be constitutional under 1A grounds.

If it were a fully private agency, I support their right to discriminate on religious grounds despite opposing their choice to do so.
 
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brycejones

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interchange said:
The issue here is the state sponsorship and legal challenge to the new law which, like many of the abortion laws, are attempts to screw real people in order to shred SCOTUS precedent with the new conservative majority. I don't think it should be constitutional under 1A grounds.

If it were a fully private agency, I support their right to discriminate on religious grounds despite opposing their choice to do so.
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SCOTUS has already ruled that government agencies can't require religious entities acting in roles like the one this article to be non-discriminatory in order to receive state funding.
 
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brycejones said:
SCOTUS has already ruled that government agencies can't require religious entities acting in roles like the one this article to be non-discriminatory in order to receive state funding.
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Did they though? My understanding is they issued some very narrow rulings in favor of these sorts of arrangements but nothing broad and all encompassing. There's also the angle of racial discrimination here because being Jewish could be seen as both a religious and racial descriptor.
 
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brycejones

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Sunburn74 said:
Did they though? My understanding is they issued some very narrow rulings in favor of these sorts of arrangements but nothing broad and all encompassing. There's also the angle of racial discrimination here because being Jewish could be seen as both a religious and racial descriptor.
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Without a change of the makeup the court it's just a matter of incrementally expanding those rulings with each new case. This court has shown no intent to do otherwise.
 
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This is the religious right's ultimate goal, is it not?

Refusing any and all services based on "religious freedom." And we're not talking about wedding cakes or adoption agencies. Imagine being denied housing, utilities, medical care etc based on "religious freedom."
 
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Amol S. said:
What I am surprised about is how no one is bringing this up to the supreme court.
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SCOTUS used to rule based solely on the Constitution and the law. Now it is allegiance to the party that put them on the court holds far too much sway.

The bible beaters that plague this country use the bible like normal people use the dictionary. The words to express what they want are in the bible, they just have to cherry-pick the right parts and put them in the correct order. Not really different from I can find these words in a dictionary, just gotta get them in the correct order.

SCOTUS is leaning toward the same practice with the Constitution and law books.
 
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Amol S. said:
What I am surprised about is how no one is bringing this up to the supreme court.
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The supreme court is stacked with criminals and has become just another tool of racist oppression.

There is no justice to be found in the legal system.
 
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Amol S.

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Someone should start a case, "People of the United States vs. Conservative Supreme Court Justice decions in 2020 cycle" with the dispute that their decions was done with the intentions of violating the "seperation of state and church clause in the declaration of independence."
 
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Amol S. said:
Someone should start a case, "People of the United States vs. Conservative Supreme Court Justice decions in 2020 cycle" with the dispute that their decions was done with the intentions of violating the "seperation of state and church clause in the declaration of independence."
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Go for it!

I do however think that this is BS and the adoption agency and the state are wrong on this one. I hope they win their law suit.
 
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Who knew that Christians desire to spread the word by spreading the hate. Can't have Jews raising adopted children to appreciate any other religion than the one and only "real" religion don'cha know? I can't imagine that this is the kind of people their God wants them to be like.

It's like for many Christians here in America if you ain't Christian then you somehow ain't a real American. lol
 
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Its almost like Christians are regular people too. Subject to brainwash and whatnot like everyone else.
 
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