Adobe retreats from Bluesky after backlash

Amol S.

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Fucking hate Adobe
The only thing Adobe has to brag about in today's world is PDF creator. Word can create PDFs, but they are not as great as the ones Adobe can make. Everything else has a free alternative.
Dreamweaver -> Visual Studio Community Edition(With WebDev options) or CodeSandbox
Photoshop -> GIMP or Canva or even just AI
Illustrator -> InkScape or GIMP or Canva or again ... even just AI
 

sdifox

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The only thing Adobe has to brag about in today's world is PDF creator. Word can create PDFs, but they are not as great as the ones Adobe can make. Everything else has a free alternative.
Dreamweaver -> Visual Studio Community Edition(With WebDev options) or CodeSandbox
Photoshop -> GIMP or Canva or even just AI
Illustrator -> InkScape or GIMP or Canva or again ... even just AI
Eh? Print to PDF works fine on win10. If anything, it's MS Word that fucks up tables and alignment of table elements.
 

trenchfoot

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Got me a great three year deal with PS about a year ago, so I got a couple of year's worth of editing left to play with although I'm not looking forward to when this deal ends. It's much like getting a promo on cable and hoping a competitor comes out with their own promo just when the old deal goes belly up. I have fun messing around with PS's latest features although wringing out the most of what I can get from my photos is still priority 1.

I used CS6 for many years in protest of Adobe's subscription bushwhacking job and got by with it by taking advantage of the latest 3rd party plug-ins. But when I tried to transfer my license to a much newer PC I built I got the dreaded "your license is already in use on another device". So this initiated a back and forth tirade with tech that I couldn't win.
 

MtnMan

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There is zero Adobe software on my devices. There are alternatives, and I have apps that can manipulate images and PDFs to satisfy my needs.
 

IronWing

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I use Acrobat Pro daily, couldn’t do my job without it. Back when I had an informal copy of Photoshop, I didn’t care for it. The learning curve to get any useful results was too steep to bother with. I used Pagemaker for one large project. It was okay.
 

kage69

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Not a fan myself. That rotisserie action on bluesky seems entirely warranted, IMO.
 

Muse

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There is zero Adobe software on my devices. There are alternatives, and I have apps that can manipulate images and PDFs to satisfy my needs.
I studied Pagemaker in night school, originally 5.0 and upgraded to 6.5, cost me $100 32 years ago for a student's license. Adobe acquired PageMaker from Aldus Corp. while I was learning the program. They basically crapped on users like me by never making it 32bit.

I still use it but need to run 32bit Win10 to do it because it's 16 bit. I'd migrate to Illustrator but the yearly subscription is absurd. I hardly ever use Pagemaker, but keep it because it gives me what seems like total control, but I rarely need that, but sometimes I love it. I have a ton of *.P65 documents, occasionally I want to open and print them or modify and print. I can print to PDF but to do so I have to fire up the Win10 32 bit machine and find the document and print, a hassle, and it's one at a time.

I use Acrobat Pro daily, couldn’t do my job without it. Back when I had an informal copy of Photoshop, I didn’t care for it. The learning curve to get any useful results was too steep to bother with. I used Pagemaker for one large project. It was okay.
I got decent at PageMaker, studied it hoping to make some kind of living at desktop publishing. I think my colorblindness was probably a handicap. A friend steered me to database programming and I did get a footing there.

I had one paying job (I was cheap!) with PageMaker, desktop published the Freshman Catalogue for UC Berkeley one year.
 
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Muse

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Aha!

“I assume you’ll be charging us monthly to read your posts,” one user wrote in reference to Adobe’s subscription model.

“Adobe deleting their first BlueSky post because they realize that the artist community pretty much universally hates them now is extremely funny,” writes Betsy Bauer.

“Adobe just deleted their post with 1.6k angry comments from artists and creators roasting them,” adds Tokori.
 
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nakedfrog

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I studied Pagemaker in night school, originally 5.0 and upgraded to 6.5, cost me $100 32 years ago for a student's license. Adobe acquired PageMaker from Aldus Corp. while I was learning the program. They basically crapped on users like me by never making it 32bit.

I still use it but need to run 32bit Win10 to do it because it's 16 bit. I'd migrate to Illustrator but the yearly subscription is absurd. I hardly ever use Pagemaker, but keep it because it gives me what seems like total control, but I rarely need that, but sometimes I love it. I have a ton of *.P65 documents, occasionally I want to open and print them or modify and print. I can print to PDF but to do so I have to fire up the Win10 32 bit machine and find the document and print, a hassle, and it's one at a time.


I got decent at PageMaker, studied it hoping to make some kind of living at desktop publishing. I think my colorblindness was probably a handicap. A friend steered me to database programming and I did get a footing there.

I had one paying job (I was cheap!) with PageMaker, desktop published the Freshman Catalogue for UC Berkeley one year.
I used Aldus Pagemaker extensively for my high school newspaper and yearbook design. Haven't used it since though.
 
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MrSquished

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I'm used to Lightroom which is a great program. There are some other options - Capture one Pro is the best, and pricey, to buy a standalone lifetime ownership version of the software. Except you get absolutely zero feature updates after buying it. Not even for a year or two - which is insulting. It's $319 for the software - and of course I don't expect lifetime upgrades as they have their subscription service, but to offer zero updates on any timeline? Fucking greedy pigs.
 

Muse

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I used Aldus Pagemaker extensively for my high school newspaper and yearbook design. Haven't used it since though.
When you need/want a page to look just so, in my experience, it's up to the job if you are persistent. I suppose Adobe killed it because it wasn't generating enough revenue. So, they went to Indesign and a subscription formula.

Adobe InDesign is a professional-grade software application primarily used for layout design and desktop publishing, particularly for multi-page documents like magazines, books, and brochures. It allows users to create layouts with precise control over typography, graphics, and images, and supports both print and digital publishing formats.

PageMaker could do all that but it wasn't making the money they could extract from customers with a subscription model. I'm not surprised they were booed at Bluesky.

I think Microsoft did a similar thing with Visual FoxPro, which I still use for my personal data. They pulled support.
 
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Muse

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I'm used to Lightroom which is a great program. There are some other options - Capture one Pro is the best, and pricey, to buy a standalone lifetime ownership version of the software. Except you get absolutely zero feature updates after buying it. Not even for a year or two - which is insulting. It's $319 for the software - and of course I don't expect lifetime upgrades as they have their subscription service, but to offer zero updates on any timeline? Fucking greedy pigs.
Online it says Lightroom for phones is free. Is it worthwhile? I'm on Android with Pixel 8, just getting into it.
 

hal2kilo

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They went downhill when a simple user could not use the reader without a some sort of subscription. Around 10 if I remember.
 

manly

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Eh? Acrobat reader is still free
LOL bashing Adobe seems like a lot of fun, but alternative facts is going a bit far. 🤣 No I'm not shilling for Adobe; pretty sure I've never spent a cent on their software directly.

As alluded to above, any modern OS will display PDFs out of the box (I guess technically Android needs an app). In particular, Mac OS X Preview has had good support for a very long time. There aren't too many use cases that require Adobe Acrobat Reader, much less the full-fat Acrobat.
 

sdifox

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LOL bashing Adobe seems like a lot of fun, but alternative facts is going a bit far. 🤣 No I'm not shilling for Adobe; pretty sure I've never spent a cent on their software directly.

As alluded to above, any modern OS will display PDFs out of the box (I guess technically Android needs an app). In particular, Mac OS X Preview has had good support for a very long time. There aren't too many use cases that require Adobe Acrobat Reader, much less the full-fat Acrobat.
I pay for ExpertPDF Ultimate and it's like C$90 for the year. Good for 5 concurrent users. Acrobat want 180 for 1 user...

I had trouble renewing the licence so customer service gave me a 50% discount, knocking it down to C$45 plus tax.


<---- PDF collation monkey for the waaaay more significant other.
 
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Muse

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LOL bashing Adobe seems like a lot of fun, but alternative facts is going a bit far. 🤣 No I'm not shilling for Adobe; pretty sure I've never spent a cent on their software directly.

As alluded to above, any modern OS will display PDFs out of the box (I guess technically Android needs an app). In particular, Mac OS X Preview has had good support for a very long time. There aren't too many use cases that require Adobe Acrobat Reader, much less the full-fat Acrobat.
My Turbotax Deluxe a week ago, when I went to print my state return (I refused to pay $20 to eFile it), said there were instances of states misinterpreting mailed submissions when not printed with Adobe Reader. I said fuck it, I'm printing it with my Foxit Reader, I'll take my chances. :colbert: I don't have Adobe Reader installed.
 
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manly

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My Turbotax Deluxe a week ago, when I went to print my state return (I refused to pay $20 to eFile it), said there were instances of states misinterpreting mailed submissions when not printed with Adobe Reader. I said fuck it, I'm printing it with my Foxit Reader, I'll take my chances. :colbert: I don't have Adobe Reader installed.
For many simple tax returns, CalFile works but you have to use the state's web site and manual data entry. CalFile is free.