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adam and eve incest?

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yes, i forgot about noah and the flood, so in 3 thousand years insane evolutionary forces transformed one family into the billions of people on the world of all different races. thats the ticket.

and yes everything bad in the world is because we sinned! we deserve it. This god is a sadistic bastard isn't he. its like tossing your children candy laced with cyanide and tell them politely not to eat it. hell if they eat it.. %#@ them.
 
"This god is a sadistic bastard isn't he. its like tossing your children candy laced with cyanide and tell them politely not to eat it. hell if they eat it.. %#@ them."

Well NO, it's not even close to that analogy. It's basically:

God gave man the freedom to choose, some men choose to manufacture candy laced with cyanide, which God does not want them to do, but they have the freedom to do it. God also watches over everyone on earth, and is willing to give the cure to anyone who asks. After all, it was His death that provided the cure to anyone who asks.
 
God fully intended Adam and eve to eat of the tree of knowledge. I am not a perfect father but I know pretty well the limitations and weaknesses of my children. Yes, If I put candy out I am not surprised if they sneak some. So how much better do you think God (perfect and a lot wiser than you or I) knew that Adam and Eve would eat of the apple?

Also, just to clarify statement above about how god didn't make adam and eve very smart, until they ate of the tree of knowledge they were much like little children with no knowledge of good and evil.

Bottom line, If God had wanted Adam and eve to live eternity in the garden you and I would never have been born. Do you think that was the plan? Do you think he created the universe only to have his plans spoiled by one act of disobedience/rebellion? These biblical topics are very deep and though God may seem like a "sadistic bastard" (stated in earlier post) He is really looking at our eternal development and well being while we are looking at what happens in our brief life here on earth and saying things like "how can God permit suffering?!" I wonder if the baby chick is thinking "HOw can any just being let me break out of this Freakin egg all by myself??!! Hello? give me a hand here!...not knowing that his further development depends on a certain amount of struggle.

Another point, many have quoted loaw of thermodynamics - Matter can not be created or destroyed. I think the proper translation in genisis is that God arranged the universe (gave it order). Need a linguist to back me up here but that is what I have read. Do not have time to look up the words in question at this time though. (I do have a life). Funny, this book was written way before the law of thermodynamics yet it has a passage like that.

 


<< Does anyone seriously believe in Creation here? I would really like to know. >>



I do seriously believe in Creation, as it occurred in the book of Genesis.

However, I don't think that Creationism and Expansionism (or Evolutionism) are necessarily exclusive; if you examine Big Bang Theory, for example, it fits almost perfectly with the account given in Genesis (with literary freedoms accounted for, of course). As for evolution, I don't think that evolution and Creationism rule each other out. Just a certain amount of interpretation and consideration that needs to be taken on both sides.
 
How can any of this Adam and Eve theory be proven? Other than what the bible says.

KK
 
"How can any of this Adam and Eve theory be proven? Other than what the bible says."

Because nobody alive today, was alive when Adam and Eve were created, except God. The only varifiable source is the Bible, which is the word God. It is on these points where faith is necessary to bridge the gap between what we know to be true and what God says is true. Blind faith however, is NOT needed. Faith MUST point in the direction of the evidence. And because the Bible is in agreement with the historical, scientific, and prophetic facts as they are currently known, the word of God is the most logical place wherewith one can place his faith.

Dave
 
"God fully intended Adam and eve to eat of the tree of knowledge."

False, God knew Adam and Eve would eat of the fruit of the tree, but that is NOT what God intended. Eve was decieved by Satan, and Adam sinned.

"If God had wanted Adam and eve to live eternity in the garden you and I would never have been born. Do you think that was the plan?"

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth,...And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." God clearly instructs Adam and Eve to have children prior to Eve being decieved and Adam sinning.

"Do you think he created the universe only to have his plans spoiled by one act of disobedience/rebellion?"

No, He knew beforehand what was going to transpire after He created the universe. And don't forget that Satan also rebelled and was kicked out of the first heaven, to become the god of this world, and decieve man with subtilty, being that he appears as an angel of light.

Dave
 
I havent read the whole thread (I dont have the patience 😛)
but... if adam and eve were created by God, their genes would be pure and correct and no mutations would occur
mutations would come over time (evolution) and that is why incest is now bad

btw I'm not really religious, that is just an idea I thought of
 


<< Because nobody alive today, was alive when Adam and Eve were created, except God. The only varifiable source is the Bible, which is the word God. It is on these points where faith is necessary to bridge the gap between what we know to be true and what God says is true. Blind faith however, is NOT needed. Faith MUST point in the direction of the evidence. And because the Bible is in agreement with the historical, scientific, and prophetic facts as they are currently known, the word of God is the most logical place wherewith one can place his faith. >>



I don't have very good knowledge of the bible. As I understood it, the bible was written by couple of people, I guess these are the prophets. How did these prophets get god to give them ability to write down god's thoughts? Is the bible actually in agreement with scientific facts. I'd imagine some of what is in the bible may be true, I can't imagine all of it being true. Of course I haven't sat down and read it, so I couldn't give you any examples. How are we to know that what these prophets were writing wasn't just their opinions and not gods?

KK
 
KK, God choose who would be a prophet, and thus who would write down what He told them to based on their relationship with Him. I don't have the actual figure in front of me although I was reading it just a couple of days ago, the Bible consists of numerous prophets, some of whom wrote only one book, some of whom wrote a few books. All of what the Bible says is true, because it is the word of God, and God knows everything, past, present, and future. Yes the Bible is in complete agreement with scientific facts, although you wouldn't know it with what is passing these days for scientific facts. We know that what the prophets wrote is God's word because God says "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:22. And to date nothing that is spoken in the Bible is false, the Bible is in complete agreement with the known facts. Therefore we can rest assured that the Bible is the word of God.

Dave
 
NOOOOOOOO!!!! I'm... reading... blanket... statements...

-->with no support<--

NOOOOOOOO!!!

Christianity is superstition. Why? Because Elledan says so. Clear enough?

Hot Chic: you are not an idiot. You are simply ignorant and misguided. Why? Because ImTyping says so.

The bible is right because it says it's right...? I don't know anyone who argues that with a straight face.

Oh yes, but here's my favorite:



<< psssst: wanna know a secret? Jesus had siblings. Older siblings. Check out the original old testament.
psst: wanna know another secret? Adam and eve NEVER EXISTED. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your beliefs... >>



LOL! Why? Because ImTyping said so. Was he an older sibling of Jesus? Did he write the "original" old testament? Where in the old testament does it talk about Jesus' older siblings? Oh yes. Adam and Eve NEVER EXISTED. Why? Because ImTyping didn't see them when the universe came into existence. ImTyping... WERE YOU THERE? But hey, don't think people won't accept what you're saying at face value just because you don't offer any kind of support to back up what you're saying...
 


<< KK, God choose who would be a prophet, and thus who would write down what He told them to based on their relationship with Him. I don't have the actual figure in front of me although I was reading it just a couple of days ago, the Bible consists of numerous prophets, some of whom wrote only one book, some of whom wrote a few books. All of what the Bible says is true, because it is the word of God, and God knows everything, past, present, and future. Yes the Bible is in complete agreement with scientific facts, although you wouldn't know it with what is passing these days for scientific facts. We know that what the prophets wrote is God's word because God says "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:22. And to date nothing that is spoken in the Bible is false, the Bible is in complete agreement with the known facts. Therefore we can rest assured that the Bible is the word of God. >>



I understand what you are saying, but do you ever question it. Whats to say that tommorrow, someone says they're a prophet. How do we know they are an actual prophet.

KK
 
I understand what you are saying, but do you ever question it. Whats to say that tommorrow, someone says they're a prophet. How do we know they are an actual prophet.

When they start parting the Black Sea.
 
KK, the Bible is complete, and ends thusly. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

Do I question God's knowledge? NO. Do I research to ensure that what is said is true? YES. As I have stated in other threads, if the Bible contains one lie, then it isn't the word of God and can't be trusted at all.

According to the Bible, the next time a prophet of God will prophecy, will be after the rapture (the sudden disapearance of every Saved person) and during the tribulation period. The world will hate those witnesses/prophets and will rejoice at their death. And the only people who will be saved by their prophecying will be those individuals who have never heard the Gospel. Individuals who have heard the Gospel and rejected it will come under strong dillusion and will recieve the mark of the antichrist and will worship the antichrist, who will appear to the world as god. It is for this reason that you see all the religions of the world becoming one. Because in order for the world to worship the antichrist, the world must be unified in it's religion.

Later...
Dave
 
I don't question gods knowledge, just the legitimaticy(sp??) of the bible. How can I trust that what these prophets have written is the rule. How do I know that the prophets were actually prophets. I do believe that there is something bigger out there that we have no idea what it is or will we ever know. And this something is what I consider god. How do you view these thoughts? Going by the bible, have I sinned for thinking this way.

KK
 
KK, in 2 Timothy 3:16 we read, "All scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness...", in Matthew 5:18 we read, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law(Bible), till all be fulfilled.", and in Psalm 12:6 we read, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."

From those verses among others we can conclude that the Bible states quite clearly that it is the word of God. And as such is the Truth.

May I suggest you pick up The Seduction of Christianity by Dave Hunt which can be found at this site

Dave

PS Yes it is a sin to place what you think is true, before what God says is true.
 


<< KK, in 2 Timothy 3:16 we read, "All scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness...", in Matthew 5:18 we read, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law(Bible), till all be fulfilled.", and in Psalm 12:6 we read, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."

From those verses among others we can conclude that the Bible states quite clearly that it is the word of God. And as such is the Truth.

May I suggest you pick up The Seduction of Christianity by Dave Hunt which can be found at this site

Dave

PS Yes it is a sin to place what you think is true, before what God says is true. >>



This Truth you refer to is based upon the what the bible says, is that correct in assuming? What is preventing another book from saying about the same, that everything in this book is the word of God and therefore must be followed.

If I don't know what god says is true, then is what I believe in wrong? I personally believe that with all advances in the world, we are learning more and more. Therefore we are learning from trial and error what everything is about. That's what I think its all about, finding out what is our purpose, why we exist.

KK
 
"This Truth you refer to is based upon the what the bible says, is that correct in assuming?"

Correct, the Truth, capital "T" refers to the word of God.

"What is preventing another book from saying about the same, that everything in this book is the word of God and therefore must be followed."

Nothing, in fact many do. The only way one can know for sure whether the claim being made is true is by personally researching the facts, quite often in depth, in order to be able to make an informed conclusion as to whether the evidence that is being given for the claim is accurate.

"If I don't know what god says is true, then is what I believe in wrong?"

If you don't know what is true, then undoubtably what you believe is false. As the world is filled with lies, and liers. And Satan being the father of lies is the god of this world. Again the only way to know what is true is to do your research.

"I personally believe that with all advances in the world, we are learning more and more. Therefore we are learning from trial and error what everything is about. That's what I think its all about, finding out what is our purpose, why we exist."

Then what you believe is false. According to Jesus, people exist in order that they might (if they so choose) spend eternity with Him in heaven for eternity.

Dave

 
How do Christians know there is a God? (and PLEASE don't say 'because it says so in the Bible'). Is God male or female or sexless? If the former two, why? God wouldn't need a penis, wouldn't need testicles, breasts, a uterus, etc. In fact, God doesn't even need a body at all. Yet we all call God He.
 
Lets assume you believe in the Bible. God didn't declare it incest until the Isrealites came along.

Before then there wasn't as many mutations in people's genes and marrying your sister wouldn't mess anything up. Eventually people started getting so many mistakes in their genes it was dangerous to marry a close relative because you could reproduce a mistake that you don't want to reproduce.

What is your definition of "incest"?

Where did Cain get his wife? http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/tools/cains_wife.asp
 
Adam and Eve were not the only people in the world. Only in the Garden. After having several children (of whom Cain and Abel were just the two bright spots of the story), they were cast out of the garden. At which point the bible makes references to other tribes that lived near the Garden. That is where Cain and Abel got their wives. Lets not forget that the original Jewish texts (Torah, Quaballa...) make several references to a woman PRE-Eve. Lilith was created as Adam was. She was cast out of the garden long before the rib thingy happened. Seems she didn't like Adam and did not want to be a companion to him. IOW, she wouldn't let the poor guy get his stimpy wet.

BTW, The King James Version is not the only one, people.

On a personal note, religion is bullsh&t. I am an atheist and proud of it. I am continually surprised by the number of relgious people that have absolutely NO CLUE about their own religion. Half the Christians I have met have never read the bible!
 


<< NOOOOOOOO!!!! I'm... reading... blanket... statements...

-->with no support<--

NOOOOOOOO!!!

Christianity is superstition. Why? Because Elledan says so. Clear enough? >>


Here we go again:

I say that gods don't exist. Try to refute this statement without using metaphysical stuff.
I say that gods are inferior to Humans. Again, try to refute this statement.
I say that this universe was created by aliens from another universe. These aliens are also responsible for the creation of all life.
I say that purple, man-eating demons are responsible for wars and disease.

Can you disprove any of the above statements? Of course you can't! That's the whole definition of metaphysics: that which can neither be proven nor disproven.

Since there exists no evidence to prove any metaphysical theories beyond any reasonable doubt, religions remain in the realm of superstition.
 


<< Since there exists no evidence to prove any metaphysical theories beyond any reasonable doubt, religions remain in the realm of superstition. >>



And in the same thought there exists no evidence to prove any THEORIES of evolution...

that is why it can't be proven, because it is theory...

neither science nor creation can be factually proven...

somewhere down the line there is blind faith in any belief that you have...

 
There will never ever be an absolute truth... because if evidence surfaces for evolution, christians can put it off as being planted by Satan... In the same way if evidence is found for creation, atheists can put it off just as easily by explaining it their own way...

dont you see people there will never be Truth with a capitol T...
 


<<

<< Since there exists no evidence to prove any metaphysical theories beyond any reasonable doubt, religions remain in the realm of superstition. >>



And in the same thought there exists no evidence to prove any THEORIES of evolution...

that is why it can't be proven, because it is theory...

neither science nor creation can be factually proven...

somewhere down the line there is blind faith in any belief that you have... >>

Sorry, but you're absolutely wrong.

Science is based on observations and experiments. Proof is everything.

Evidence for evolution? Heck, even Humans are riddled with clues! The coccyx, wisdom teeth, 95% of our DNA apparently being merely 'junk'-DNA, children who are born with a tail, or a fur, or a sixth finger on a hand etc.

Obviously you've no idea what you're talking about.
 
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