Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

[igor_kavinski]

Actually, It has a very good performance

I hope those are not fake frame generated FPS numbers.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I hope those are not fake frame generated FPS numbers.

It's from Notebookcheck.net and without DLSS or RT.
Here is DLSS + RT in some games.

There are also RTX4060 and RTX4070.

@biostud I think you are right.

 

[biostud]

It's from Notebookcheck.net and without DLSS or RT.
Here is DLSS + RT in some games.
View attachment 78753
There are also RTX4060 and RTX4070.

I guess Cyberpunk is DLSS3 with frame generation while the rest are DLSS2.

 

[Panino Manino]

Nvidia with more brute force and better optimization for RT, this is a nice new feature: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/Opacity-MicroMap-SDK

 

[igor_kavinski]

Nvidia

That seems to be the only bad thing about the feature. Hope AMD copycats that intelligently without tripping over any intellectual property landmines.

 

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti AD106-350 160W & RTX 4060 AD107-400 115W GPUs Launch In May

NVIDIA is expected to launch its GeForce RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 4060 GPUs aiming at the mainstream segment in May of this year.

wccftech.com

WTFTech, but a claim that both the 4060 Ti and 4060 will be released in May. 4060's TDP may also only be 115 W for the reference board.

4060 Ti being somewhere between 3070-3070 Ti performance for $100 less than whatever the 4070 ends up being, and 4060 approaching but slower than the 3060 Ti for probably $100 less than the 4060 Ti.

 

[Heartbreaker]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti AD106-350 160W & RTX 4060 AD107-400 115W GPUs Launch In May

NVIDIA is expected to launch its GeForce RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 4060 GPUs aiming at the mainstream segment in May of this year.

wccftech.com

WTFTech, but a claim that both the 4060 Ti and 4060 will be released in May. 4060's TDP may also only be 115 W for the reference board.

4060 Ti being somewhere between 3070-3070 Ti performance for $100 less than whatever the 4070 ends up being, and 4060 approaching but slower than the 3060 Ti for probably $100 less than the 4060 Ti.

Going by the rumored configs on Videcardz and reducing prices by a similar percentage to the reduction in CUDA cores from the 4070 Ti at $800, the pricing (rounded up to the nearest $50) comes in around:

4070: $650
4060 Ti: $500
4060: $350
4050: $300

These don't seem like unrealistic prices given the starting point.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti AD106-350 160W & RTX 4060 AD107-400 115W GPUs Launch In May

NVIDIA is expected to launch its GeForce RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 4060 GPUs aiming at the mainstream segment in May of this year.

wccftech.com

WTFTech, but a claim that both the 4060 Ti and 4060 will be released in May. 4060's TDP may also only be 115 W for the reference board.

4060 Ti being somewhere between 3070-3070 Ti performance for $100 less than whatever the 4070 ends up being, and 4060 approaching but slower than the 3060 Ti for probably $100 less than the 4060 Ti.

If that 115W is TGP(GPU+Vram) and not TBP(whole board), then It's not a problem.
Laptop version of Ada107 does have 115W+25W or 140W, but even Ada106 uses only 100W in CB 2077 FullHD and increasing It to 115W doesn't provide any improvement. RTX 4050 laptop likely needs ~85W for reaching max clocks.

 

[KompuKare]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti AD106-350 160W & RTX 4060 AD107-400 115W GPUs Launch In May

NVIDIA is expected to launch its GeForce RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 4060 GPUs aiming at the mainstream segment in May of this year.

wccftech.com

WTFTech, but a claim that both the 4060 Ti and 4060 will be released in May. 4060's TDP may also only be 115 W for the reference board.

4060 Ti being somewhere between 3070-3070 Ti performance for $100 less than whatever the 4070 ends up being, and 4060 approaching but slower than the 3060 Ti for probably $100 less than the 4060 Ti.

Going by the rumored configs on Videcardz and reducing prices by a similar percentage to the reduction in CUDA cores from the 4070 Ti at $800, the pricing (rounded up to the nearest $50) comes in around:

4070: $650
4060 Ti: $500
4060: $350
4050: $300

These don't seem like unrealistic prices given the starting point.

If the 4060 according to rumour site is:

4060 Ti being somewhere between 3070-3070 Ti performance for $100 less than whatever the 4070 ends up being, and 4060 approaching but slower than the 3060 Ti for probably $100 less than the 4060 Ti.

Then, since the MSRP of the 3060 Ti was $399, the 4060 brings the same performance/price as the 3060 Ti did back in 2020.

About the only plus is that a uses a bit less power. Guess they will market using Fake Frames™

 

[Aapje]

About the only plus is that a uses a bit less power. Guess they will market using Fake Frames™

The problem with that is that DLSS works worse at 1440p than at 4k and worse still at 1080p. So it becomes less and less of a benefit at these tiers.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The problem with that is that DLSS works worse at 1440p than at 4k and worse still at 1080p. So it becomes less and less of a benefit at these tiers.

I know its not DLSS but the same principle: I tried using FSR 2.0 in Hogwarts legacy (all medium settings) to boost framerate at 1080p (2200G + 980ti) and holy crap it was so smudgy and blurry that I just went back to TAA.

Tweaked the settings a bit with a mix of low thru ultra on different settings and ended up with pretty similar framerate as FSR with vastly improved image quality.

Its kinda absurd what people will do for performance before turning down some settings which basically do nothing for visuals (or even hurt visuals like film grain and motion blur) but chew up performance like a dog.

 

[Heartbreaker]

If the 4060 according to rumour site is:

Then, since the MSRP of the 3060 Ti was $399, the 4060 brings the same performance/price as the 3060 Ti did back in 2020.

About the only plus is that a uses a bit less power. Guess they will market using Fake Frames™

The rumor site has no idea on pricing. They are just guessing based on previous generation. All they say is:

"so the 4060 Ti would have to be positioned close to $399 US to make it a worthy successor to the 3060 Ti which also had the same MSRP."

I'm expecting the 4060 Ti will come in about $100 above(So $500) where they think it should be. I'm not basing on last generation pricing. I'm basing on extrapolating this generation pricing, and Videocardz reporting of the configurations.

The 4060 (non Ti), should drop down to $350.

I'm not expecting much if any gains in perf/$...

 

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 to retail at $599 - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 4070 MSRP to match RTX 3070 Ti The RTX 4070 to be $200 cheaper than the RTX 4070 Ti. The company has reportedly settled on RTX 4070 non-Ti SKU price at $599. This information was confirmed during a press briefing, which usually takes place before each launch. Reviewers are now...

videocardz.com

Ooh, fake MSRP of the 4070 will be $599. That's surprisingly low.

 

[coercitiv]

That's surprisingly low.

Yeah, maybe they shouldn't even bother making the cards at such a low price.

 

[Heartbreaker]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 to retail at $599 - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 4070 MSRP to match RTX 3070 Ti The RTX 4070 to be $200 cheaper than the RTX 4070 Ti. The company has reportedly settled on RTX 4070 non-Ti SKU price at $599. This information was confirmed during a press briefing, which usually takes place before each launch. Reviewers are now...

videocardz.com

Ooh, fake MSRP of the 4070 will be $599. That's surprisingly low.

It's only fake in the sense that its a decent price that might sell well.

Some said the same about the $799 price of the 4070Ti but that price has been consistently available, because economic turn has less buyers.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Also remember everyone believing the made up MLID claim of $750 price...

 

[Dribble]

$600 is still too expensive to tempt all those people hanging onto their 1070's like me. Oh well.

 

[Gideon]

$600 is still too expensive to tempt all those people hanging onto their 1070's like me. Oh well.

If the aftermarket cards actually ends up costing below 700€ here (VAT included), it seems quite OK-ish. Considering RTX 3080 is pretty much MIA or 800€+ and 1070Ti is approaching 900€

I'm more interested in what they'll do with the RTX 4060 Ti:

It uses a much smaller chip and is significantly cut down, compared to the 4070. On top of it all it only has 8GB of ram (and half the bandwidth). It better not be 500$ MSRP

 

[Heartbreaker]

I'm more interested in what they'll do with the RTX 4060 Ti:

It uses a much smaller chip and is significantly cut down, compared to the 4070. On top of it all it only has 8GB of ram (and half the bandwidth). It better not be 500$ MSRP

At best, I'd expect that will be $450.

I'm more interested in the 4060 non Ti, at best might be $350...

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Still, at $350 full AD107 won't be very good. If It had more Vram or someone made one with 16GB then even $399 wouldn't be that bad in my opinion.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Still, at $350 full AD107 won't be very good. If It had more Vram or someone made one with 16GB then even $399 wouldn't be that bad in my opinion.

You are worried about 8GB not being enough for one up from the absolute bottom of the stack?

I really don't think it's an issue, even for the 4060 Ti, certainly not for the plain 4060.

These are not 4K cards, and really they should be considered RT cards either.

At medium and below resolution without RT, 8GB is a non issue.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

You are worried about 8GB not being enough for one up from the absolute bottom of the stack?

I really don't think it's an issue, even for the 4060 Ti, certainly not for the plain 4060.

If you are willing to pay $349 for a 8GB Vram card with not that much better performance than RTX3060 12GB then ok. No wonder Nvidia won't lower the prices If customers don't care about price.
Why you think It's not a problem even If 4060Ti(AD106) had only 8GB is beyond me, when you know 8GB is no longer good enough. For that price I really would expect to see at least 12GB in 2023.

If Nvidia or OEM made a version with double memory with a reasonable price, I think It would sell well. Doesn't matter If It's RTX4050,4060 or 4060Ti.

edit:

These are not 4K cards, and really they should be considered RT cards either.

At medium and below resolution without RT, 8GB is a non issue.

Even the absolutely weakest RTX 4050 Laptop manages 27FPS in Cyberpunk 1080p RT Ultra or 46FPS in 1440p without RT.
27 or 46FPS is not that much, but honestly I wouldn't say this GPU is truly weak, yet It comes with pathetic 6GB Vram.

RTX 4070 laptop manages 42FPS in Cyberpunk 1080p RT Ultra. Still has only 8GB Vram.
Having to lower resolution, deactivate RT effects or lower details in a game not because the GPU is weak but because It doesn't have enough Vram is nonsensical.

 

[Heartbreaker]

...when you know 8GB is no longer good enough.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Assumes facts not in evidence.

We have a thread about 8GB no longer being enough. Feel free to provide evidence 8GB is still enough, and It will be at least for the next 2 years.

edit:
RTX 3050 8GB -> RTX 4050 6GB (-25%)
RTX 3060 12GB -> RTX 4060 8GB (-33%)
Generational improvement according to Nvidia.
Ok, I am not sure If RTX4050(Ti) will really come with only 6GB Vram.

 

[Heartbreaker]

We have a thread about 8GB no longer being enough. Feel free to provide evidence 8GB is still enough, and It will be at least for the next 2 years.

Not enough for handful or 4K, or RT games, which 4060 really isn't powerful enough for that in the first place.