Svnla
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Originally posted by: bR
The RX8 has a rotary engine, it's normally aspirated but comparing it to a piston engine is a bit misleading. It fires 3 times per revolution, while a piston engine only fires once.
The S54 is the engine found in the E46 M3.
You were looking for engines that surpass the hp/liter mark, not the price range of the cars.
I just edited my previous post. The M3 is about $50K. LOL, guess I should said "engine within price specific price range".
I still belive Honda make the best non forced induction regular piston engine that the average joe can buy for the money, ie., 20K to 30K or so.
Originally posted by: Svnla
Originally posted by: bR
The RX8 has a rotary engine, it's normally aspirated but comparing it to a piston engine is a bit misleading. It fires 3 times per revolution, while a piston engine only fires once.
The S54 is the engine found in the E46 M3.
You were looking for engines that surpass the hp/liter mark, not the price range of the cars.
I just edited my previous post. The M3 is about $50K. LOL, guess I should said "engine within price specific price range".
I still belive Honda make the best non forced induction regular piston engine that the average joe can buy for the money, ie., 20K to 30K or so.
hahaha how many conditions can you throw in there? i think bmw can make the best supercharged turbo nonpiston alien spaceship engine that joe schmoe can buy from a noncaramelized car dealer only on tuesdays and thursdays, that is exactly 54 dollars.
It's actually 190hp from 1.8L, and custom tuned by Lotus as well - the stock power is 180hp. It's not hard to "tune" the K20 engine in the RSX-S to push 220-230hp from 2L as well as having a more livable torque curve, even if neither engine really has much torque.
That being said, the RSX is supposed to be replaced with a TSX-based coupe which would be much more in line with the brand. Since the next TSX in 07 (or 08?) is supposed to have a variant of the RDX turbocharged engine, it should take a good car and make it a very good car with 250+hp and 250+lb-ft torque, though torque steer will rear its ugly head. Throw in the superior interior and suspension of the TSX, and you get a very nice sporty coupe for the high 20s. Type-S versions would be easy to make as the RDX engine is quite understressed at the moment and you could easy push it to 275hp or so.
The next TL supposedly gets the 300hp V6 from the RL with AWD. The RL either needs to be canned or have a V8 put in. The new NSX is going to have a V10, but I think we'll be seeing it closer to the end of the decade than not.
Oh and while I'm dreaming, I'd love for the new NSX to come out with something along the lines of a 5L V-10 with 600hp and a new S2000 with a 2.5L I-5 with 300hp, both zinging to 9000rpms, both the flagships of their respective brands.
I love my S2000 and still have no desire to replace it with any other sports car save cars far outside my budget. A new S2000, keeping in the same driver-focused philosophy as before would be my ticket. A new engine as manic as before but with more displacement and torque, a stiffer and lighter chassis, keep the razor sharpness of the suspension and steering, add in a little more liability with a mildly larger cockpit with a few more amenities, toss in some bigger brakes and you have another Boxster-S competitor and killer on the track for 25K less.
I love my S2000 and still have no desire to replace it with any other sports car save cars far outside my budget. A new S2000, keeping in the same driver-focused philosophy as before would be my ticket. A new engine as manic as before but with more displacement and torque, a stiffer and lighter chassis, keep the razor sharpness of the suspension and steering, add in a little more liability with a mildly larger cockpit with a few more amenities, toss in some bigger brakes and you have another Boxster-S competitor and killer on the track for 25K less.
You mean the CIVIC? Carbuyers aren't dumb enough to think that Acura is a separate company from Honda.
Hey I missed this thread the first time 'round.
Anyone think my 05 RSX-S will be worth more now that the RSX is being cancelled?
Bought it in Sept 2004, and I've got 35k miles on it now. Vivid Blue Pearl! I love the thing, but I will want to sell in 3-4 years.
Anyone think my 05 RSX-S will be worth more now that the RSX is being cancelled?
Bought it in Sept 2004, and I've got 35k miles on it now. Vivid Blue Pearl! I love the thing, but I will want to sell in 3-4 years.
They are "higher" than your typical brands. You don't need a V-8 in order for a car to be considered a notch above the others. Especially not when Acura's smaller engines produce great efficient power. Acura is not luxury as in super quiet and super soft ride in which it feels like the car is driving you. It strikes a balance and I think that is a good thing.
It strikes a balance and I think that is a good thing.[/quote]
Balance in FWD? Cmon... V6 + fwd = tqe steer
Balance in FWD? Cmon... V6 + fwd = tqe steer[/quote]
Doesn't take away from the fact that the TSX and TL are excellent all-round cars in their segment, especially at their price point. The MDX has continually been a class-leading SUV, even up to it's imminent replacement.
A TSX based coupe to replace the RSX sounds more inline with where Acura wants to go.
Obviously the RL and now defunct NSX are the weak links in the model lineup. For their top of the line luxury vehicle, Acura does need a new dedicated platform with RWD. For the flagship NSX-replacement, Acura seems on the right track with a medium displacement V10 with over 500hp - as long as they keep it relatively light weight and RWD.
But for the TSX/TL level vehicles, added power + SH-AWD should be more than sufficent to keep them competitive for a while. A TL with the existing 300hp 3.5L V6 and AWD should be compelling if they manage to keep the price relatively close to where it is. The TSX with a power boost (230-240hp) would be hard to beat as an entry-level luxury sedan, full loaded under 30K.
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