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SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: noto12ious

There's a problem...those explosions are not being acknowledged by NIST or any investigating organization connected to our government.

"Why collapse the building at all"? Well, you have to ask yourself what was actually inside WTC7.

http://wtc7.net/background.html

Nice page. So what information do we get here? One, there were government offices in the WTC complex. OMG, have have to tell people! Government offices in the center of one of the largest, most well known cities in the world! It's a conspiracy!

Two, the command center was moved from its office in the building to another location. Again, big flipping deal. First off, the building was damaged. Second, you do NOT put an emergency command center in harms way, period. Let's just read what the article they linked to says:

"On the morning of Sept. 11, the mayor rushed to his command center shortly after the attack, but was forced to flee one location after another when the towers and adjacent buildings began collapsing, according to the New York Times.

Despite the scope of the catastrophe, city employees were able to establish a fully functioning, alternative emergency management command center within three days of the catastrophe. "

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

No problem. Note that I am not telling you not to post anything, I am simply arguing against your "irrefutable facts." Granted, I do think you are extremely delusional, but that is beside the point.

Let's start with a list of "irrefutable facts":

1) A 767 (or another aircraft completely redesigned to look exactly the same as a 767) crashed into both the North and South towers.
2) WTC7 was not hit by any aircraft
3) Some witnesses have stated that they heard "explosions" from the time that their aircraft impacted to the time of collapse.
4) All three buildings collapsed straight downward.
5) There is debate as to whether something "helped along" the collapse of the buildings.


Offhand, those are the only "irrefutable facts" I can think of. Feel free to add to the list. One of the problems I have with your posts is how you misuse certain words. The only things we can show as fact (none of us being experts in any related area) is point A, B, C, etc. We CAN NOT say point A=B=C. Sure, you can say that people heard explosions, but you can not say that the explosions were caused by explosives. Please, please think about what you write before you post.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: noto12ious

There's a problem...those explosions are not being acknowledged by NIST or any investigating organization connected to our government.

"Why collapse the building at all"? Well, you have to ask yourself what was actually inside WTC7.

http://wtc7.net/background.html

Nice page. So what information do we get here? One, there were government offices in the WTC complex. OMG, have have to tell people! Government offices in the center of one of the largest, most well known cities in the world! It's a conspiracy!

Two, the command center was moved from its office in the building to another location. Again, big flipping deal. First off, the building was damaged. Second, you do NOT put an emergency command center in harms way, period. Let's just read what the article they linked to says:

"On the morning of Sept. 11, the mayor rushed to his command center shortly after the attack, but was forced to flee one location after another when the towers and adjacent buildings began collapsing, according to the New York Times.

Despite the scope of the catastrophe, city employees were able to establish a fully functioning, alternative emergency management command center within three days of the catastrophe. "

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

Congratulations on being completely impervious to all reasonable arguments and doggedly sticking with the most improbable (or downright impossible) and poorly supported of explanations. You deftly evade proof, logic, and reason like icebergs on the endless sea of paranoid gullibility.

The truth will surely march on.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: noto12ious

There's a problem...those explosions are not being acknowledged by NIST or any investigating organization connected to our government.

"Why collapse the building at all"? Well, you have to ask yourself what was actually inside WTC7.

http://wtc7.net/background.html

Nice page. So what information do we get here? One, there were government offices in the WTC complex. OMG, have have to tell people! Government offices in the center of one of the largest, most well known cities in the world! It's a conspiracy!

Two, the command center was moved from its office in the building to another location. Again, big flipping deal. First off, the building was damaged. Second, you do NOT put an emergency command center in harms way, period. Let's just read what the article they linked to says:

"On the morning of Sept. 11, the mayor rushed to his command center shortly after the attack, but was forced to flee one location after another when the towers and adjacent buildings began collapsing, according to the New York Times.

Despite the scope of the catastrophe, city employees were able to establish a fully functioning, alternative emergency management command center within three days of the catastrophe. "

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

Congratulations on being completely impervious to all reasonable arguments and doggedly sticking with the most improbable (or downright impossible) and poorly supported of explanations. You deftly evade proof, logic, and reason like icebergs on the endless sea of paranoid gullibility.

The truth will surely march on.
ok, that is almost signature-worthy! well written and well done!
 

CptFarlow

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It seems, that for one day in history, the laws of physics and reason were thrown out...

-In one day, three huge steel skyscrapers collapsed onto their own footprint. When this normally only happens from controlled demolition, that day it was caused by fire, which had never happened before, and hasn't happened since.
-On that day, one of the biggest tragedies this country has seen, it was okay for all of the debris to be taken away before analysis.
-On that day, our nation's air defense program, NORAD, fudged. Despite having all the resources available to them, they couldn't spot a plan that was heading straight for the Pentagon. Even when the plane circled overhead, lining up the trajectory, they didn't do anything about it. (Yet, as many will recall, last year two small aircraft accidentally wandered into White House airspace. Within minutes they were being escorted by fighter aircraft out of the area. Yet, on 9/11, we failed to find a commercial jetliner in restricted airspace.) And isn't it a bit odd that Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD that day?
-For the first time in history, a plane hit a building (the Pentagon), and vaporized the wreckage. At the same time, we were still able to identify all but one of the bodies. Ignore the fact that it is impossible for jet fuel to vaporize the titanium used in the fuselage of the aircraft, much less do so while leaving bodies intact.
-For the first time in history, somebody with barely any piloting skills in a commercial jetliner was able to fly within feet of the ground, not even scathing the lawn, and manage to hit the one part of the Pentagon that was reinforced for just such an impact. Also, the fact that he was able to pull off some incredible moves that even seasoned pilots said would be hard, if not impossible, to do in a jet that large at those speeds.
-And finally, again, against what we think we know about air crashes, there were no bodies at the crash site in PA. A photographer on site even talked about how there was nothing except a hole in the ground. No plane debris, no bodies, no blood. Lastly, how the heck did the engine from the plane land over a mile away?

It is obvious that the current administration benefited from 9/11. It created fear for Muslims, and gave them the excuses they needed to pass their liberty-stripping Patriot Act, which Congress was not allowed to read the first time it was approved. It gave them the excust to invade Iraq, which recent reports have indicated Bush and Cheney wanted to do even before they were in office, regardless of what the UN said.

Comparing us to CTs who wear tin-foil hats is unfair. Even I think it is retarted to think a small piece of tin-foil is going to block mind-control, much less think that mind-control is possible in that sense. If you asked me three weeks ago what I thought about 9/11, I would have voiced my opinion that bin Laden is a coward for hiding. Since I have discovered the controversy over 9/11, I've done plenty of research. The first time I saw Loose Change I didn't believe it until he started talking about who had to benefit from this. It makes so much sense now. This has happened throughout history, yet are we going to notice it when it happens again? Some have, and we are growing in size everyday. We simply call for an independent, international investigation where the members are not picked by our administration. One that does not ignore critical aspects of that day, including WTC 7, the possibility of pre-positioned explosives, why nobody even noticed a plane heading for the Pentagon, and why a number of people, within minutes of the crash, carried off debris into a waiting truck, covered in a blue tarp. The pancake theory is unreasonable, considering video evidence showing molten metal, giving evidence to another source of heat other than the fires. Also, if the pancake theory were correct, why did the floors not show at least some sort of vertical stacking? They were pulverized into small fragments and dust. Not even the 47 steel core columns stood, which is most peculiar, considering they should have been sticking straight up, even if the floors collapsed. How is a fire at the top of the building supposed to melt steel in the core of it 1000 feet below?

Enough questions, we need more answers. Answers to questions that are being ignored...

Occam's Razor holds more to be true than most seem to believe. If you consider both sides, one saying that fire took down three steel structures that day, you have to think, "wow, that's odd. Never happened before. Wouldn't the sprinkler system help to put them out?" And the other, that explosives were used, it is more simple to think that it was caused by explosives. Especially considering WTC7, which collapsed in less than 7 seconds, just like a controlled demolition. It didn't topple, it didn't pancake, it imploded in on itself. To say this was caused by anything other than explosives shows a suspension of reason on part of the person making the claim. Even with Larry Silverstein's admission to pulling the building, people still doubt the obvious.

Those buildings look like they were brought down by explosives...so why is it so hard to think that they were? It cannot be said there is no evidence for explosives, because there is plenty of it. Audio of explosions before the collapses, video of dust coming from the base, video of squibs (which many tout as material ejected out as the floor pancaked. But if that were the case, why would it not be ejected across an entire floor? If the floors were indeed pancaking, wouldn't material be ejected at every level? How was material being ejected tens of stories below the destruction wave? The floors there hadn't even been touched by the "pancake chain reaction" yet.

And to think, these are only a few of the questions that haven't been answered, and I doubt they will, unless an independent investigation is conducted.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: noto12ious

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

Congratulations on being completely impervious to all reasonable arguments and doggedly sticking with the most improbable (or downright impossible) and poorly supported of explanations. You deftly evade proof, logic, and reason like icebergs on the endless sea of paranoid gullibility.

The truth will surely march on.
:thumbsup: :laugh:
 

alchemize

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You can debate one into a corner, and another one pops up. Beat that one down, and the original pops back up. It's just like the groundhog game at Chuck E Cheese.
 

CptFarlow

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Originally posted by: alchemize
And what do his peers think?

Chairman of the BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Dr. Miller, is on record stating in an e-mail, "I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims".

The BYU physics department has also issued a statement: "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."

The College of Engineering and Technology department has also added, "The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones."

You just happened to forget to mention this:

Jones replied to the critique on December the 5th 2005, in the BYU NewsNet article "Censor rumors quelled"

He (Professor Jones) said he feels "a bit awkward" that some colleagues now question the peer review process his paper initially passed through. "My paper was peer-reviewed and accepted for publication before being made available on the Web with the editor?s approval," Jones said. "The reviewers included a physicist and an engineer, I now understand. The review has not been shown to have been inappropriate and I believe it was appropriate." Still, Jones said he willingly submitted his paper to another publication, where he is confident it will pass peer review a second time.

Found on Wikipedia right after what you quoted.

How is that relevant to all of his peers saying he is a dumb ass and they don't agree with him? I didn't forget it, it was irrelevant to his peers opinion on his theory.

Well, it is quite important, considering that he followed to standard procedure of having his paper peer-reviewed. It passed that point, at which point it was published. Many people agree with him, many people disagree with him. The only way to know for sure whether or not if he is correct is to test his hypothesis. In order to do this, an investigation needs to be done. Instead of attacking the people making these claims, why not address the facts, issues, and questions that they bring up? He is a scientist. He is following the scientific method by creating a hypothesis, presenting evidence to support that theory, and using that evidence to prove said hypothesis. If so many of you are so certain that explosives were not used, and that fires really did bring down those towers, why is everybody so defensive as to another investigation being conducted? Why doubt serious evidence that contradicts your POV. I have read numerous articles, reports, websites, watched videos, and listened to audio that helps to support both side of the argument. But in the end, even through continuous questioning of my view, and serious doubting that explosives were used, I continuously come to the conclusion that fires could not have done that to the towers. Even aside from that aspect of the debate, there are countless other questions that need to be answered, which I have recently posted.

Edit: corrected grammar.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Comparing us to CTs who wear tin-foil hats is unfair. Even I think it is retarted to think a small piece of tin-foil is going to block mind-control
ok, THAT sentance is just plain funny... I'm this [---] close to putting it in my signature to go along with the other items there!

If you asked me three weeks ago what I thought about 9/11, I would have voiced my opinion that bin Laden is a coward for hiding. Since I have discovered the controversy over 9/11, I've done plenty of research. The first time I saw Loose Change I didn't believe it until he started talking about who had to benefit from this. It makes so much sense now.
The beauty of a decent conpiracy-theory is that it is somewhat believable... IF you're willing to throw logic, reason, and common sense waayyyyyyy out the window! It appears that you've been bitten, and this one got you... obviously.

I don't suggest you go around telling everyone what you think IRL though... that may not go over so well, and you may just find yourself in a padded cell if you do.

GL!
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-In one day, three huge steel skyscrapers collapsed onto their own footprint. When this normally only happens from controlled demolition, that day it was caused by fire, which had never happened before, and hasn't happened since.

Both towers (not sure about 7) were designed to collapse on themselves if they did so. Again, huge skyscrapers don't get hit with aircraft or other disasters very often. Your argument that "oh look, it's never happened before or since" is utter bullshit.

Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-For the first time in history, a plane hit a building (the Pentagon), and vaporized the wreckage. At the same time, we were still able to identify all but one of the bodies. Ignore the fact that it is impossible for jet fuel to vaporize the titanium used in the fuselage of the aircraft, much less do so while leaving bodies intact.

I'm not going to argue about most of the plane not being visable in photographs. Again, another argument here is utter bullshit. Bodies are identified by DNA. They were not talking about 100% intact bodies. Also, you fail to mention that the section hit was under renovation, so not that many people were in it to begin with. Oh, I forgot to mention that it had been redesigned to withstand smaller attacks (basically the building was armored).

Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-For the first time in history, somebody with barely any piloting skills in a commercial jetliner was able to fly within feet of the ground, not even scathing the lawn, and manage to hit the one part of the Pentagon that was reinforced for just such an impact. Also, the fact that he was able to pull off some incredible moves that even seasoned pilots said would be hard, if not impossible, to do in a jet that large at those speeds.

Funny, everything I have heard from pilots has said that actually flying an aircraft is not difficult, only takeoffs and landings. Fine, you can say that the maneuvers were difficult, but you can't ignore other facts.

Originally posted by: CptFarlow
one saying that fire took down three steel structures that day, you have to think, "wow, that's odd. Never happened before. Wouldn't the sprinkler system help to put them out?"

1) You again ignore the fact that it was not fire alone. It was a large impact which destroyed a large percentage of the support beams, followed by a large explosion, followed by a fire.
2) You assume the sprinkler system WORKED and that it was sufficient to control a jet fuel fire. Uhhhh, right.
 

CptFarlow

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Comparing us to CTs who wear tin-foil hats is unfair. Even I think it is retarted to think a small piece of tin-foil is going to block mind-control
ok, THAT sentance is just plain funny... I'm this [---] close to putting it in my signature to go along with the other items there!

If you asked me three weeks ago what I thought about 9/11, I would have voiced my opinion that bin Laden is a coward for hiding. Since I have discovered the controversy over 9/11, I've done plenty of research. The first time I saw Loose Change I didn't believe it until he started talking about who had to benefit from this. It makes so much sense now.
The beauty of a decent conpiracy-theory is that it is somewhat believable... IF you're willing to throw logic, reason, and common sense waayyyyyyy out the window! It appears that you've been bitten, and this one got you... obviously.

I don't suggest you go around telling everyone what you think IRL though... that may not go over so well, and you may just find yourself in a padded cell if you do.

GL!

How is that sentence funny? Somebody thinking that a small piece of metal is going to stop "mind-control" is one thing. Somebody saying that explosives brought down a building is something totally different. Explosives exist, mind-control doesn't.

As far as throwing reason, logic, and common sense out the window, what is stopping me from saying you have done the same thing? It is well known that 9/11 was a fluke. Nothing like that has ever happened before or since. Fires have burnt for well longer that those that did on that day, yet there was a toal building collapse, for both of them. To just brush it off saying that fire did it is a suspension of reason right there.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Comparing us to CTs who wear tin-foil hats is unfair. Even I think it is retarted to think a small piece of tin-foil is going to block mind-control
ok, THAT sentance is just plain funny... I'm this [---] close to putting it in my signature to go along with the other items there!

If you asked me three weeks ago what I thought about 9/11, I would have voiced my opinion that bin Laden is a coward for hiding. Since I have discovered the controversy over 9/11, I've done plenty of research. The first time I saw Loose Change I didn't believe it until he started talking about who had to benefit from this. It makes so much sense now.
The beauty of a decent conpiracy-theory is that it is somewhat believable... IF you're willing to throw logic, reason, and common sense waayyyyyyy out the window! It appears that you've been bitten, and this one got you... obviously.

I don't suggest you go around telling everyone what you think IRL though... that may not go over so well, and you may just find yourself in a padded cell if you do.

GL!

How is that sentence funny? Somebody thinking that a small piece of metal is going to stop "mind-control" is one thing. Somebody saying that explosives brought down a building is something totally different. Explosives exist, mind-control doesn't.

As far as throwing reason, logic, and common sense out the window, what is stopping me from saying you have done the same thing? It is well known that 9/11 was a fluke. Nothing like that has ever happened before or since. Fires have burnt for well longer that those that did on that day, yet there was a toal building collapse, for both of them. To just brush it off saying that fire did it is a suspension of reason right there.
I've never before seen a 767 fully-loaded with fuel slam into a skyscraper before either... there's a first time for everything!

ps: congrats, you made my sig!
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Comparing us to CTs who wear tin-foil hats is unfair. Even I think it is retarted to think a small piece of tin-foil is going to block mind-control
ok, THAT sentance is just plain funny... I'm this [---] close to putting it in my signature to go along with the other items there!

If you asked me three weeks ago what I thought about 9/11, I would have voiced my opinion that bin Laden is a coward for hiding. Since I have discovered the controversy over 9/11, I've done plenty of research. The first time I saw Loose Change I didn't believe it until he started talking about who had to benefit from this. It makes so much sense now.
The beauty of a decent conpiracy-theory is that it is somewhat believable... IF you're willing to throw logic, reason, and common sense waayyyyyyy out the window! It appears that you've been bitten, and this one got you... obviously.

I don't suggest you go around telling everyone what you think IRL though... that may not go over so well, and you may just find yourself in a padded cell if you do.

GL!

How is that sentence funny? Somebody thinking that a small piece of metal is going to stop "mind-control" is one thing. Somebody saying that explosives brought down a building is something totally different. Explosives exist, mind-control doesn't.

As far as throwing reason, logic, and common sense out the window, what is stopping me from saying you have done the same thing? It is well known that 9/11 was a fluke. Nothing like that has ever happened before or since. Fires have burnt for well longer that those that did on that day, yet there was a toal building collapse, for both of them. To just brush it off saying that fire did it is a suspension of reason right there.

Again, nobody is claiming it was fire alone.
 

sumyungai

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Who needs a TV for entertainment? We have all the drama, comedy, science-fiction, and conspiracies that one needs for entertainment just from P&N.
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-In one day, three huge steel skyscrapers collapsed onto their own footprint. When this normally only happens from controlled demolition, that day it was caused by fire, which had never happened before, and hasn't happened since.

Both towers (not sure about 7) were designed to collapse on themselves if they did so. Again, huge skyscrapers don't get hit with aircraft or other disasters very often. Your argument that "oh look, it's never happened before or since" is utter bullshit.

He?s not ?arguing? that they don?t happen often, that?s fact and he stated it as such.

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-For the first time in history, a plane hit a building (the Pentagon), and vaporized the wreckage. At the same time, we were still able to identify all but one of the bodies. Ignore the fact that it is impossible for jet fuel to vaporize the titanium used in the fuselage of the aircraft, much less do so while leaving bodies intact.

I'm not going to argue about most of the plane not being visable in photographs. Again, another argument here is utter bullshit. Bodies are identified by DNA. They were not talking about 100% intact bodies. Also, you fail to mention that the section hit was under renovation, so not that many people were in it to begin with. Oh, I forgot to mention that it had been redesigned to withstand smaller attacks (basically the building was armored).

I don?t understand what counter-point you are trying to make here. Doesn?t it make sense that they would crash something into a side of the Pentagon that:
A) Had few people working there to witness the crash
B) Was reinforced to withstand a destructive force only weeks prior to 9/11
C) Was on the exact opposite side of where Donald Rumsfeld?s office was

No, it wasn?t a coincidence; if these terrorists were smart enough to hatch a plan like this by themselves don?t you think they would fly into it from the other side, possibly killing our Secretary of Defense and other key officials and crippling defense counter-measures?

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-For the first time in history, somebody with barely any piloting skills in a commercial jetliner was able to fly within feet of the ground, not even scathing the lawn, and manage to hit the one part of the Pentagon that was reinforced for just such an impact. Also, the fact that he was able to pull off some incredible moves that even seasoned pilots said would be hard, if not impossible, to do in a jet that large at those speeds.

Funny, everything I have heard from pilots has said that actually flying an aircraft is not difficult, only takeoffs and landings. Fine, you can say that the maneuvers were difficult, but you can't ignore other facts.

Allegedly, the plane was a 757 Boeing, wrap your little mind about how big this plane is and what its purpose for being built was... a civilian airliner used to transport people, and a HUGE one at that, not a fighter jet that has the ability to cut corners and do dive bombs with the greatest of ease. If anything, the plane should have skid across the ground OR crash into it at more of a downward angle, with the nose going down into the structure.

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
one saying that fire took down three steel structures that day, you have to think, "wow, that's odd. Never happened before. Wouldn't the sprinkler system help to put them out?"

1) You again ignore the fact that it was not fire alone. It was a large impact which destroyed a large percentage of the support beams, followed by a large explosion, followed by a fire.
2) You assume the sprinkler system WORKED and that it was sufficient to control a jet fuel fire. Uhhhh, right.

How do you know fire wasn?t the only thing? Look at the planes crashing into these buildings, one crashes up high and fairly straight, the other one crashes lower and slightly slanted, yet both buildings fall down the same way! There are large explosions, but they blow outward, spraying a large quantity of jet fuel away from the building. If they really did destroy a large percentage of support beams then they would have been severed in different spots, meaning different type of collapses from the top down to where the plane was. We see absolutely the same form of collapse in both towers TOP to BOTTOM, there should be SOME discreprencies even if the buildings and planes are similar.

You ignore so many other points he brings up though:
-And finally, again, against what we think we know about air crashes, there were no bodies at the crash site in PA. A photographer on site even talked about how there was nothing except a hole in the ground. No plane debris, no bodies, no blood. Lastly, how the heck did the engine from the plane land over a mile away?

-On that day, our nation's air defense program, NORAD, fudged. Despite having all the resources available to them, they couldn't spot a plan that was heading straight for the Pentagon. Even when the plane circled overhead, lining up the trajectory, they didn't do anything about it. (Yet, as many will recall, last year two small aircraft accidentally wandered into White House airspace. Within minutes they were being escorted by fighter aircraft out of the area. Yet, on 9/11, we failed to find a commercial jetliner in restricted airspace.) And isn't it a bit odd that Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD that day?

-Not even the 47 steel core columns stood, which is most peculiar, considering they should have been sticking straight up, even if the floors collapsed. How is a fire at the top of the building supposed to melt steel in the core of it 1000 feet below?

Explain these if you please, explain to us why you think there were no bodies at the crash site. Explain to us why a plane was allowed to circle the Pentagon after what happened at the WTC. Explain to us why none of the 47 steel support columns were left standing, they were not part of the floors and should not have collapsed. You are in DENIAL!

And palehorse, you are a disgraceful, adolescent child. :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Both towers (not sure about 7) were designed to collapse on themselves if they did so. Again, huge skyscrapers don't get hit with aircraft or other disasters very often. Your argument that "oh look, it's never happened before or since" is utter bullshit.

I agree with you that it doesn't happen often. But I was referring to the fires, which were the blame for the collapse. There is more research needed in the area of how much force the planes had, but considering that the buildings were made to withstand airplace hits, one has to wonder what the jet fuel could have done. But has has been addressed. Most burnt off in the first few seconds, with the rest within 10 minutes. Following that, the remaining office materials, furniture, etc. burnt until the fires went out. I refer again to the recordings of a fire chief who can be heard speaking of two isolated pockets of fire that he could "knock down with two lines." Yes, that is one part of the building, but if the building was a raging inferno that would be needed to melt steel, then how could he have been able to put it out himself? We have already noted that many, many other fires have burnt for well longer than the Twin towers, and yet have not even partially collapsed.

I'm not going to argue about most of the plane not being visable in photographs. Again, another argument here is utter bullshit. Bodies are identified by DNA. They were not talking about 100% intact bodies. Also, you fail to mention that the section hit was under renovation, so not that many people were in it to begin with. Oh, I forgot to mention that it had been redesigned to withstand smaller attacks (basically the building was armored).

So you admit that while the titanium fuselage was "vaporized," any sort of biological matter could survive the 3034 degree F heat needed to melt the metal? And that is just to melt it! If it were indeed "vaporized," the heat would need to be at least to it's boiling point for titanium, which is 5949 degrees F. As for the renovation...yes, it was armored. It was the only wedge even partially prepared to withstand blast and impacts such as that. Another question that is contiuously ignored, why would the government have the need to confiscate three tapes that would have captured the impact? Why would they need to warn the employees not to talk about what they saw? As quoted from Loose Change, "If the government wants to prove once and for all that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, all they would have to do is release those tapes."


Funny, everything I have heard from pilots has said that actually flying an aircraft is not difficult, only takeoffs and landings. Fine, you can say that the maneuvers were difficult, but you can't ignore other facts.

Major newspapers reported otherwise. While many will talk of a missile, or a smaller plane, I admit it is difficult to know for sure. We know that within minutes of the Pentagon impact, officials carried off most of the debris to a waiting truck, and the one piece that was there does match part of a 757, but does not look scratched or burnt. The edges were bent, but it could have easily been planted to bolster the government's explanation.


1) You again ignore the fact that it was not fire alone. It was a large impact which destroyed a large percentage of the support beams, followed by a large explosion, followed by a fire.
2) You assume the sprinkler system WORKED and that it was sufficient to control a jet fuel fire. Uhhhh, right.

The plane did infact destroy numerous exterior support columns, but how do we know any of the core ones were damaged? It is safe to assume they suffered some damage, but only in the top third of the building. The buildings were made in three sections, as any diagram will show. Even if the core columns in the top third were completely severed, why would it stand for as long as it did? And why would the bottom 2/3 of the building crumble to rubble? If part of the top third were broken, it seems more likely that it would slowly come down. Parts on the top part would fail, rather than the entire building give out at once. Again, it has been shown that the fires were not enough to melt or weaken the steel. So what caused everything to give at once? Also consider that the second tower wasn't hit straight on, yet it fell first. When the north tower started to fall, the top part started to topple to the side, yet in mid-air, it is broken up and destroyed.

As far as the sprinkler system. There is no way to know for sure if it worked at all, I haven't seen any mention of it at all, and there is no witness mentioning it. I have also not seen anybody wet in any pictures. Even without it, we know that the fires were out before the towers collapsed.

You never mentioned anything about the lack of bodies in PA. What about the incompetence of our air defense program on that day? What about the money people have made off of 9/11? What about the fact that no arab names were on the passenger lists or the autopsy reports?

 

CptFarlow

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
Comparing us to CTs who wear tin-foil hats is unfair. Even I think it is retarted to think a small piece of tin-foil is going to block mind-control
ok, THAT sentance is just plain funny... I'm this [---] close to putting it in my signature to go along with the other items there!

If you asked me three weeks ago what I thought about 9/11, I would have voiced my opinion that bin Laden is a coward for hiding. Since I have discovered the controversy over 9/11, I've done plenty of research. The first time I saw Loose Change I didn't believe it until he started talking about who had to benefit from this. It makes so much sense now.
The beauty of a decent conpiracy-theory is that it is somewhat believable... IF you're willing to throw logic, reason, and common sense waayyyyyyy out the window! It appears that you've been bitten, and this one got you... obviously.

I don't suggest you go around telling everyone what you think IRL though... that may not go over so well, and you may just find yourself in a padded cell if you do.

GL!

How is that sentence funny? Somebody thinking that a small piece of metal is going to stop "mind-control" is one thing. Somebody saying that explosives brought down a building is something totally different. Explosives exist, mind-control doesn't.

As far as throwing reason, logic, and common sense out the window, what is stopping me from saying you have done the same thing? It is well known that 9/11 was a fluke. Nothing like that has ever happened before or since. Fires have burnt for well longer that those that did on that day, yet there was a toal building collapse, for both of them. To just brush it off saying that fire did it is a suspension of reason right there.
I've never before seen a 767 fully-loaded with fuel slam into a skyscraper before either... there's a first time for everything!

ps: congrats, you made my sig!

And for that...you are an asshole.;)
 

CptFarlow

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-In one day, three huge steel skyscrapers collapsed onto their own footprint. When this normally only happens from controlled demolition, that day it was caused by fire, which had never happened before, and hasn't happened since.

Both towers (not sure about 7) were designed to collapse on themselves if they did so. Again, huge skyscrapers don't get hit with aircraft or other disasters very often. Your argument that "oh look, it's never happened before or since" is utter bullshit.

He?s not ?arguing? that they don?t happen often, that?s fact and he stated it as such.

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-For the first time in history, a plane hit a building (the Pentagon), and vaporized the wreckage. At the same time, we were still able to identify all but one of the bodies. Ignore the fact that it is impossible for jet fuel to vaporize the titanium used in the fuselage of the aircraft, much less do so while leaving bodies intact.

I'm not going to argue about most of the plane not being visable in photographs. Again, another argument here is utter bullshit. Bodies are identified by DNA. They were not talking about 100% intact bodies. Also, you fail to mention that the section hit was under renovation, so not that many people were in it to begin with. Oh, I forgot to mention that it had been redesigned to withstand smaller attacks (basically the building was armored).

I don?t understand what counter-point you are trying to make here. Doesn?t it make sense that they would crash something into a side of the Pentagon that:
A) Had few people working there to witness the crash
B) Was reinforced to withstand a destructive force only weeks prior to 9/11
C) Was on the exact opposite side of where Donald Rumsfeld?s office was

No, it wasn?t a coincidence; if these terrorists were smart enough to hatch a plan like this by themselves don?t you think they would fly into it from the other side, possibly killing our Secretary of Defense and other key officials and crippling defense counter-measures?

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
-For the first time in history, somebody with barely any piloting skills in a commercial jetliner was able to fly within feet of the ground, not even scathing the lawn, and manage to hit the one part of the Pentagon that was reinforced for just such an impact. Also, the fact that he was able to pull off some incredible moves that even seasoned pilots said would be hard, if not impossible, to do in a jet that large at those speeds.

Funny, everything I have heard from pilots has said that actually flying an aircraft is not difficult, only takeoffs and landings. Fine, you can say that the maneuvers were difficult, but you can't ignore other facts.

Allegedly, the plane was a 757 Boeing, wrap your little mind about how big this plane is and what its purpose for being built was... a civilian airliner used to transport people, and a HUGE one at that, not a fighter jet that has the ability to cut corners and do dive bombs with the greatest of ease. If anything, the plane should have skid across the ground OR crash into it at more of a downward angle, with the nose going down into the structure.

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: CptFarlow
one saying that fire took down three steel structures that day, you have to think, "wow, that's odd. Never happened before. Wouldn't the sprinkler system help to put them out?"

1) You again ignore the fact that it was not fire alone. It was a large impact which destroyed a large percentage of the support beams, followed by a large explosion, followed by a fire.
2) You assume the sprinkler system WORKED and that it was sufficient to control a jet fuel fire. Uhhhh, right.

How do you know fire wasn?t the only thing? Look at the planes crashing into these buildings, one crashes up high and fairly straight, the other one crashes lower and slightly slanted, yet both buildings fall down the same way! There are large explosions, but they blow outward, spraying a large quantity of jet fuel away from the building. If they really did destroy a large percentage of support beams then they would have been severed in different spots, meaning different type of collapses from the top down to where the plane was. We see absolutely the same form of collapse in both towers TOP to BOTTOM, there should be SOME discreprencies even if the buildings and planes are similar.

You ignore so many other points he brings up though:
-And finally, again, against what we think we know about air crashes, there were no bodies at the crash site in PA. A photographer on site even talked about how there was nothing except a hole in the ground. No plane debris, no bodies, no blood. Lastly, how the heck did the engine from the plane land over a mile away?

-On that day, our nation's air defense program, NORAD, fudged. Despite having all the resources available to them, they couldn't spot a plan that was heading straight for the Pentagon. Even when the plane circled overhead, lining up the trajectory, they didn't do anything about it. (Yet, as many will recall, last year two small aircraft accidentally wandered into White House airspace. Within minutes they were being escorted by fighter aircraft out of the area. Yet, on 9/11, we failed to find a commercial jetliner in restricted airspace.) And isn't it a bit odd that Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD that day?

-Not even the 47 steel core columns stood, which is most peculiar, considering they should have been sticking straight up, even if the floors collapsed. How is a fire at the top of the building supposed to melt steel in the core of it 1000 feet below?

Explain these if you please, explain to us why you think there were no bodies at the crash site. Explain to us why a plane was allowed to circle the Pentagon after what happened at the WTC. Explain to us why none of the 47 steel support columns were left standing, they were not part of the floors and should not have collapsed. You are in DENIAL!

And palehorse, you are a disgraceful, adolescent child. :roll:

BrokenVisage, I thank you for your support, but I feel this is futile. They continue to pick at what questions to answer, and will most likely never change. Maybe in 40 years when government documents are declassified and they realize we were right, we can sit back and know that we did the right thing at trying to find the truth, rather than try to obscure it.

I'm tired of fighting. What good does this do? Nothing. They will continue to accept the spoon-fed stories they are told everyday to justify killing the innocent civilians of another country.

When somebody wants to answer all of the questions there are, then feel free to PM me. Until then, good luck in finding the truth, as horribly shocking it may be.
 

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I pick at questions because they are the only ones I feel that I can respond to. Sure, I could argue everything but then I would end up making a wild guess, and I do not wish to stoop to that level.
 

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I just watched the entire 9/11 witnesses video (I mentioned earlier in the thread that I had watched part of it). The misapplication of physics is laughable. From neglecting wind resistance when they shouldn't, to incorporating it when it would have nearly no effect, to implying that there would need to be explosives for pyroclastic flow...rediculous. Not only that, but using the editing to emphasize whenever a reporter says the words "explosion." For reference, I may not have a phd...but I am finishing up my bacholer's in physics and then off to grad school.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: noto12ious

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

Congratulations on being completely impervious to all reasonable arguments and doggedly sticking with the most improbable (or downright impossible) and poorly supported of explanations. You deftly evade proof, logic, and reason like icebergs on the endless sea of paranoid gullibility.

The truth will surely march on.
:thumbsup: :laugh:

You're right. The truth will march on. The truth about the explosions and molten steel at WTC will continue to spread, along with the omission of WTC7, and the criminal / illegal debris removal (where not even government agencies were able to examine WTC7 steel). The truth about Norman Mineta, and Presidential Order W199I-WF-213589 will continue to spread :) Tough for you.

 

sumyungai

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: noto12ious

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

Congratulations on being completely impervious to all reasonable arguments and doggedly sticking with the most improbable (or downright impossible) and poorly supported of explanations. You deftly evade proof, logic, and reason like icebergs on the endless sea of paranoid gullibility.

The truth will surely march on.
:thumbsup: :laugh:

You're right. The truth will march on. The truth about the explosions and molten steel at WTC will continue to spread, along with the omission of WTC7, and the criminal / illegal debris removal (where not even government agencies were able to examine WTC7 steel). The truth about Norman Mineta, and Presidential Order W199I-WF-213589 will continue to spread :) Tough for you.
I'm just curious of your views on some other issues.

Did the holocaust ever happened?
Is there such a thing as the lochness monster?
Did the government assassinated JFK?
Did the government covered-up UFO crashes such as Roswell?
Is Osama an undercover CIA agent?
If a tree falls and no one is around, does it make a sound?
Do refrigerator lights stay on when the door closes?
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: sumyungai
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: noto12ious

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

Congratulations on being completely impervious to all reasonable arguments and doggedly sticking with the most improbable (or downright impossible) and poorly supported of explanations. You deftly evade proof, logic, and reason like icebergs on the endless sea of paranoid gullibility.

The truth will surely march on.
:thumbsup: :laugh:

You're right. The truth will march on. The truth about the explosions and molten steel at WTC will continue to spread, along with the omission of WTC7, and the criminal / illegal debris removal (where not even government agencies were able to examine WTC7 steel). The truth about Norman Mineta, and Presidential Order W199I-WF-213589 will continue to spread :) Tough for you.
I'm just curious of your views on some other issues.

Did the holocaust ever happened?
Is there such a thing as the lochness monster?
Did the government assassinated JFK?
Did the government covered-up UFO crashes such as Roswell?
Is Osama an undercover CIA agent?
If a tree falls and no one is around, does it make a sound?
Do refrigerator lights stay on when the door closes?

Why are you questioning other people...when you're the one who thought there were no explosions, and jet fuel melted the steel? Do your homework first, then I'll answer your questions. :)
 

sumyungai

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: sumyungai
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: noto12ious

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

Congratulations on being completely impervious to all reasonable arguments and doggedly sticking with the most improbable (or downright impossible) and poorly supported of explanations. You deftly evade proof, logic, and reason like icebergs on the endless sea of paranoid gullibility.

The truth will surely march on.
:thumbsup: :laugh:

You're right. The truth will march on. The truth about the explosions and molten steel at WTC will continue to spread, along with the omission of WTC7, and the criminal / illegal debris removal (where not even government agencies were able to examine WTC7 steel). The truth about Norman Mineta, and Presidential Order W199I-WF-213589 will continue to spread :) Tough for you.
I'm just curious of your views on some other issues.

Did the holocaust ever happened?
Is there such a thing as the lochness monster?
Did the government assassinated JFK?
Did the government covered-up UFO crashes such as Roswell?
Is Osama an undercover CIA agent?
If a tree falls and no one is around, does it make a sound?
Do refrigerator lights stay on when the door closes?

Why are you questioning other people...when you're the one who thought there were no explosions, and jet fuel melted the steel? Do your homework first, then I'll answer your questions. :)

Actually, I'm question you. What did you think happened to the elevators when the planes crashed into the WTC? Now, if the elevators cables were to somehow snapped, what would happen next? What would it look like viewing from the outside of the WTC if/when the elevators impacted the ground? As for the multiple so called explosions, there are multiple elevators, no?

As for the jet fuel melting the steel beams, you need to remember that when jet fuel burns, it also burns EVERYTHING around it along with the steel beam. Its not like the desks, books, cleaning chemicals, walls, etc stayed intact and untouch, while only the steel beams were the only thing being burned.

 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: sumyungai
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: sumyungai
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: noto12ious

What did we learn? Well, we learned that the government had every reason to get rid of WTC7. Maybe we should ask government why it was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report, along with a mountain of other incriminating evidence.

I like your attitude though (seriously). People like you are always willing to doubt the irrefutable facts...you make things enjoyable considering the sad topic at hand :) I think you're looking at this the wrong way, though. As you continue denying such simple information, more and more people are being exposed to the facts each day (people who previously had no idea, such as myself). For example, the doubters kept pushing up threads of 9/11 Conspiracy movies in the off topic forum, which just happened to catch my attention in January of 2006. I freely admit, I bought the official story until then. So to people like you, I say thanks for bumping the threads with your denials :thumbsup: No matter how hard you try, the truth will continue spreading. From email to email... AIM profile to AIM profile. The real culprits of 9/11 may never be brought to justice, but the truth will continue to spread. Internet FTW :) The truth finally made CNN Headline News 3 straight nights last week? An article from the SF Chronicle yesterday? It looks like Americans do have a conscience. Go figure.

Congratulations on being completely impervious to all reasonable arguments and doggedly sticking with the most improbable (or downright impossible) and poorly supported of explanations. You deftly evade proof, logic, and reason like icebergs on the endless sea of paranoid gullibility.

The truth will surely march on.
:thumbsup: :laugh:

You're right. The truth will march on. The truth about the explosions and molten steel at WTC will continue to spread, along with the omission of WTC7, and the criminal / illegal debris removal (where not even government agencies were able to examine WTC7 steel). The truth about Norman Mineta, and Presidential Order W199I-WF-213589 will continue to spread :) Tough for you.
I'm just curious of your views on some other issues.

Did the holocaust ever happened?
Is there such a thing as the lochness monster?
Did the government assassinated JFK?
Did the government covered-up UFO crashes such as Roswell?
Is Osama an undercover CIA agent?
If a tree falls and no one is around, does it make a sound?
Do refrigerator lights stay on when the door closes?

Why are you questioning other people...when you're the one who thought there were no explosions, and jet fuel melted the steel? Do your homework first, then I'll answer your questions. :)

Actually, I'm question you. What did you think happened to the elevators when the planes crashed into the WTC? Now, if the elevators cables were to somehow snapped, what would happen next? What would it look like viewing from the outside of the WTC if/when the elevators impacted the ground? As for the multiple so called explosions, there are multiple elevators, no?

As for the jet fuel melting the steel beams, you need to remember that when jet fuel burns, it also burns EVERYTHING around it along with the steel beam. Its not like the desks, books, cleaning chemicals, walls, etc stayed intact and untouch, while only the steel beams were the only thing being burned.

Your questions have already been answered in this thread. Look for them.