Actor arrested in DEA sting... entrapment?

[Andres3605]

Isn't entrapment when a person does something they would not normally do except that the LEO placed them in the situation?

Unless it wasn't the LEO that got him there but his "friend".

 

[BoomerD]

Sounds like we're only hearing his side of the story.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/200...4_1_drug-sting-oxycodone-pills-federal-prison

"Superman's best friend is in hot water for allegedly dealing drugs.

Sam Jones 3rd, who played Clark Kent's buddy on the CW show "Smallville," was arrested Wednesday morning in a federal drug sting, TMZ.com reported.

The Drug Enforcement Agency said Jones, 26, was accused of being a "co-conspirator" in several major drug deals last year.

According to court documents, the actor and several others devised a plan to purchase and distribute more than 10,000 oxycodone pills.

Jones was reportedly taken into custody by DEA agents who described him as the "Hollywood connection" to the plot.

The 26-year-old actor has been charged with conspiracy to possess illegal drugs with the intent to distribute. If convicted, Jones faces up to 20 years in federal prison. "

 

[coreyb]

drug war is a waste of time. it shouldn't be a crime to do or sell drugs anyways.

 

[blackangst1]

See that doesn't make sense to me at all. The entire purpose of putting the Escalade out there is for it to be stolen. They don't put it there just to leave it there, they put it there to have someone steal it. If the Escalade was never put there in the first place, the police would not have to apprehend a thief. That sounds like entrapment to me.

It's only entrapment *if* the trap itself caused you to something you otherwise wouldnt do. Most people, upon seeing an Escalade, dont check the doors and look inside for keys. Even if they did, most people wouldnt steal it. A thief would.

Its no different than a prostitution sting. Most people, when seeing a ho on the corner, look and drive by. Someone with the intent of hiring said ho, will pull over and try. Not entrapment.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not sure if the story contains all the details, but this would be a perfect example of why no good deed goes unpunished if his story is true... but yea, lock him up and throw away the key, he sounds like the type of guy peddling pills at the playground.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

nobody forces you to sell drugs either.

People are emotional creatures. They will do lots of things they wouldn't do otherwise when backed into a corner. The DEA threatened to kill his friend if he didn't cooperate. That makes it an emotional decision, not a logical one.


That's assuming we're hearing the entire story, which is probably not the case.

 

[erikistired]

People are emotional creatures. They will do lots of things they wouldn't do otherwise when backed into a corner. The DEA threatened to kill his friend if he didn't cooperate. That makes it an emotional decision, not a logical one.


That's assuming we're hearing the entire story, which is probably not the case.

nobody said anywhere that the DEA ever threatened anyone. it was just assumed by the OP. none of the accounts i have read yet have stated the DEA told the guy they were going to kill anyone if he didn't sell drugs.

 

[BoomerD]

It's only entrapment *if* the trap itself caused you to something you otherwise wouldnt do. Most people, upon seeing an Escalade, dont check the doors and look inside for keys. Even if they did, most people wouldnt steal it. A thief would.

Its no different than a prostitution sting. Most people, when seeing a ho on the corner, look and drive by. Someone with the intent of hiring said ho, will pull over and try. Not entrapment.

I laugh my ass off watching "Bait Car" on TV.

"No sir, I wasn't stealing this car...I was just parking it."

http://www.trutv.com/shows/bait_car/index.html

http://www.trutv.com/video/bait-car/index.html

The "entrapment" argument has been raised...

http://www.trutv.com/shows/bait_car/debate_car.html

 

[ISAslot]

"So here's the deal, since you didn't get the money to your friend, you wait in prison. If the mob offs your friend, then we'll let you go."

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

nobody said anywhere that the DEA ever threatened anyone. it was just assumed by the OP. none of the accounts i have read yet have stated the DEA told the guy they were going to kill anyone if he didn't sell drugs.

Seriously? Maybe you should re-read the article in the OP. Playing off the guy's emotions makes this entrapment. But I'm neither a lawyer or judge, so what do I know.

Jones plead guilty to the attempted sale of more than 10,000 pills of Oxycodone but told the judge that his friend convinced him that if he didn’t pay back $90,000 to a drug cartel in Mexico they would kill him.

 

[BoomerD]

Seriously? Maybe you should re-read the article in the OP. Playing off the guy's emotions makes this entrapment. But I'm neither a lawyer or judge, so what do I know.

But so far, all we have is his version of that. I haven't seen anything where the cops admit to doing that.

 

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this thread needs more pics

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If the officers' actions caused him to reasonably believe that his choices were to sell the drugs or let his friend die, then it's pretty clearly entrapment.

More likely, I think his friend probably convinced him that he needed help selling the drugs or face the wrath of the cartel -- who turned out to be LEOs. It's conceivable that the LEOs convinced the actor's friend that he needed to sell drugs or get killed, upon realization of which he convinced the actor he needed help for that purpose.

Is that possibly entrapment by proxy? Is there such a thing? If I tell your wife that she needs to rob a bank for $500 or I'll come back and kill you and her, is it entrapment if they just arrest you after she convinces you to help her rob the bank?

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

But so far, all we have is his version of that. I haven't seen anything where the cops admit to doing that.

I understand we're only getting his side of the story. But do you really expect the police to admit playing the death card when coercing somebody to sell drugs?

Really though it sounds like his friend was the one that told Jones that, not necessarily the DEA. Either way it's a fucked up situation.

 

[preslove]

The DEA is a rogue, corrupt agency that does bullshit like this all the time. Entrapment doesn't exist as a defense in the war on drugs. That agency is just a bunch of parasites, wasting money and lives.

 

[CVSiN]

People are emotional creatures. They will do lots of things they wouldn't do otherwise when backed into a corner. The DEA threatened to kill his friend if he didn't cooperate. That makes it an emotional decision, not a logical one.


That's assuming we're hearing the entire story, which is probably not the case.

how on earth was he backed into a corner.. he should have gone to the DEA or other LE with the threats.. period.. people should not be taking the law or breaking the law to get out of a corner like that.

end of story period.
NOT ENTRAPMENT.. just stupidity.

 

[alkemyst]

Yeah I don't agree with their methods...they don't need to make up elaborate stories to catch people.

It's like child molesters...they get an adult male or woman to entice a grown up. Talking like an adult would and knowing what an adult knows...then a few sessions into it they say they are a minor.

Most are probably thinking it's impossible at that point or just a game.

The problem is going forward when you know the person on the other end is a child is wrong...but in these cases they really weren't children.

Then they arrest the person prior to any action. I say if they are going to do this, put a kid out there waiting in front of the hotel at the rendezvous point...the way it works now once the perp shows up, they are arrested.

Sad part of all this is one of the most active cops going after these sickos just was arrested as one himself.

 

[erikistired]

Seriously? Maybe you should re-read the article in the OP. Playing off the guy's emotions makes this entrapment. But I'm neither a lawyer or judge, so what do I know.

i would requote and bold where it says "HIS FRIEND" and not "THE DEA" but i don't think it would make any difference.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

He's not Lindsey he only had a couple small roles. Sam Jones is going to get raped in prison for sure.D:😱
There is no doubt in my mind that he will get prison time, like so many other young black man. American justice is not color blind

Yes because he's black he's going to jail. It's because he tried to sell 10,000 pills of illegal drugs.

If a friend says sell drugs for me so some gang doesn't kill me. You tell your friend to move to some place like Alaska. You don't go sell drugs for him.

 

[DaveSimmons]

At least it wasn't the Flash Gordon / Highwaman / My Chauffeur Sam Jones:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0429207/

He'll save every one of us!

 

[Nemesis 1]

So if the cops come up to you dressed as gang bangers, so that you don't know they are cops, and tell you they're going to kill you unless you sell the dude across the street this little baggy of meth. If you do it, you should go to jail? How does that make sense? You would NOT have done it if the cops had NOT threatened to kill you. So the COPS are the ones responsible for you committing the crime, they forced your hand.

Its not only intrapment but its terrorism.

 

[erikistired]

The DEA is a rogue, corrupt agency that does bullshit like this all the time. Entrapment doesn't exist as a defense in the war on drugs. That agency is just a bunch of parasites, wasting money and lives.

you obviously watch too many movies. try putting down the pipe and living in reality for a bit.

 

[Darwin333]

nobody forces you to sell drugs either.

Threatening to kill a friend of yours is just a tad bit different then leaving the keys inside of a vehicle...

Not saying that is how it went down but if it is that is really fucked up. Last I checked threatening someones life is a crime so at the very worst the DEA agent that threatened his life should be facing charges as well. I understand that they must bend the rules a bit to do their jobs but threatening to kill someone ain't bending, its breaking. OTOH, if it turns out the buddy just told him that to get his help, sucks to be him but his beef is with his buddy not the DEA.

 

[Darwin333]

you obviously watch too many movies. try putting down the pipe and living in reality for a bit.

What would you call purposely allowing well over 1,000 guns (mostly scarey black ones that we call assault rifles) to illegally enter Mexico and have been used to kill innocent people, most likely on both sides of the border, for little or no gain? Its not like they came clean about the situation either, it took a whistle blower. Now the Admin, who is the Commander in Chief and ultimately in charge of said department, wishes to impose laws against Americans in those states to prevent what the agency he controls did purposely...

I don't care what you think or say, thats some bullshit right there. Where is the "do the crime do the crime" cry for those lawbreaking assholes? Or is it only breaking the law when one of us mere peons does it?

 

[preslove]

you obviously watch too many movies. try putting down the pipe and living in reality for a bit.

You obviously know nothing about anything. Your stupidity and knee jerk reactions occlude the real world from you. You are, right now, the stupidest troll on these forums. Please, follow the advice I gave you in reply to your pathetic victim blaming post in the other thread.