Active Troops Support McCain 3-to-1 Over Obama

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The troops are morons.

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[ericlp]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The troops are morons.

The troops are wrong for wanting to stay there, and you are a major d-bag.

If you vote for McCain this year, you're a moron. No exceptions.

Exactly, just like you were for voting for Bush X2.

Tho, that didn't stop the moron brigade and I almost really don't expect it to change much. I find it amazing just how tight this race might be or another way to look at it, how many morons there are out there.

Sigh....

But of course the troops support McCain, it's called Job Security and who could blame them? Your chances are pretty SLIM in dieing and they are eating good and touring around in Iraq not to mention getting paid pretty well for doing so! Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Our active troops support the republican candidate over the democrat. Is that a shock to the OP?

Why do you think this is the case?

Because the military is a fundamentally conservative institution, as it has been in every major industrialized nation for hundreds of years?

And yet you get lefties like Clinton and Obama trying to rewrite hundreds of years worth of military policy.

Maybe the military is conservative because liberals don't support the troops.

The military is controlled by civilian authority for a reason, genius. Maybe the military is conservative due to institutional factors. But hey, it's not like I spent the better part of a decade in it, how would I know? Have you spent a day of your life in uniform?

 

[Ferocious]

Blacks used to overwhelmingly support the Republican party. Now they overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party.

If Obama was white....he would still be getting the vast majority of the black vote.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The troops are morons.

The troops are wrong for wanting to stay there, and you are a major d-bag.

If you vote for McCain this year, you're a moron. No exceptions.

Exactly, just like you were for voting for Bush X2.

Tho, that didn't stop the moron brigade and I almost really don't expect it to change much. I find it amazing just how tight this race might be or another way to look at it, how many morons there are out there.

Sigh....

But of course the troops support McCain, it's called Job Security and who could blame them? Your chances are pretty SLIM in dieing and they are eating good and touring around in Iraq not to mention getting paid pretty well for doing so! Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

So you believe supporting the troops means supporting the war?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Oops, you replied too fast winnar. I edited but will ask here:

How is their supporting the republican some sort of commentary on the Iraq war BTW?
As others have already just stated, the military traditionally favors #1 the GOP and #2 a vet.

See page 2 of the poll.

 

[Jack Flash]

A friend of mine at West Point says they are strictly told to keep their political views to themselves as whoever is elected will be their commander in chief.

I have to question the legitimacy of this.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: winnar111

It makes sense to want to preserve 5 years worth of efforts.

how so?

Quite simple. Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and its better to kill them now rather than later.

I thought they were in Northern Pakistan. Are you sure about that? 😕

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Oops, you replied too fast winnar. I edited but will ask here:

How is their supporting the republican some sort of commentary on the Iraq war BTW?
As others have already just stated, the military traditionally favors #1 the GOP and #2 a vet.

See page 2 of the poll.

Who they think would do a better job of handling the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan does not mean that McCain's desire to stay there is their motivation for voting for him. If you look, that percentage tracks closely with his support in all the other polling numbers. That means it tells you very little.

Still waiting for your response to my actual substantive post in this thread. I'm guessing you'll do your best to avoid it.

EDIT: Just like you ran and hid from your Obama/State legislator ethics thread after you were repeatedly and mercilessly owned.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: winnar111

It makes sense to want to preserve 5 years worth of efforts.

how so?

Quite simple. Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and its better to kill them now rather than later.

I thought they were in Northern Pakistan. Are you sure about that? 😕

Iraq announces Al Qaida defeat, warns neighbors

http://www.worldtribune.com/wo...e_terror0624_10_20.asp


BAGHDAD ? Iraq stated that Al Qaida was on the verge of collapse and will soon be eliminated.

Senior officials said the Al Qaida network sustained a significant loss in capability and recruits in 2008. They said that despite a spate of suicide bombings Al Qaida was on the verge of disintegrating.

"We have succeeded to a great extent in weakening the armed and terrorist factions of Al Qaida in Iraq and the neighboring countries should be vigilant regarding a comeback of these terrorists to the region," Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki said.

In an interview with the official Kuwait news agency, Al Maliki said Iraqi intelligence has determined that the Al Qaida network would soon be eliminated. Al Maliki said the network sustained a major blow with the loss of its No. 2 figure, Abu Qaswarah, a Moroccan native killed in a U.S.-led coalition operation in Mosul on Oct. 5.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Holy shit this thread is breaking news. I would have never guessed that the troops support the republican. This has been the case for a long time. Why do you think it would be any different?

 

[midway]

Barack Obama has raised $60,642 from 134 donors (overseas troops) and $335,536 from 859 donors (all military personnel). John McCain raise $10,665 from 26 donors (overseas troops), and $280,513 from 558 donors (all military personnel). It?s important to point out that this study only covers donations over $200 that are reported to the FEC, and does not include the $25 and $50 donations that Barack usually racks up.

A survey with shit methodology or FEC numbers, I know which one I put more trust in.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Our active troops support the republican candidate over the democrat. Is that a shock to the OP?

Why do you think this is the case?

Because the military is a fundamentally conservative institution, as it has been in every major industrialized nation for hundreds of years?

And yet you get lefties like Clinton and Obama trying to rewrite hundreds of years worth of military policy.

Maybe the military is conservative because liberals don't support the troops.

I don't think that is a fair assessment. It's like saying: all fighting age men and women who are conservatives, who don't enlist to fight for what they would send others off to die for, are chickenhawks.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Holy shit this thread is breaking news. I would have never guessed that the troops support the republican. This has been the case for a long time. Why do you think it would be any different?

I think its a rather curious trend.

We know why union works support Democrats because it allows them to maintain their monopoly status, but why would the military turn against the Democrats in such a strong fashion?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Holy shit this thread is breaking news. I would have never guessed that the troops support the republican. This has been the case for a long time. Why do you think it would be any different?

Yes, this just in, young people overwhelmingly vote for Obama! lawl

 

[Farang]

Powell is a known political opportunist? He had the best chance of any Republican to win the Presidency in 1996 and passed it up.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
This is quite a fantastic poll you have there.

The real poll as opposed to insane right wing editorial poll-land.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey (that means response bias, a statistics 101 no-no) of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

Oops! So a voluntary response poll of a group of military members that underrepresents Obama's primary constituencies, minorities and the young, shows that the military heavily supports McCain. That's a real shocker.

I have little doubt that the military as a whole would prefer a veteran over someone who was not, but there's absolutely nothing in the poll that says anything about people still in the military preferring McCain over Obama due to his position on Iraq. Oh Winnar, keep trying. Those of us who have actually been in the military see straight through your bullshit.

Heh, thought we had some funky numbers when I first saw this. Wasn't military support for Bush and Kerry roughly 1:1? With Bush having a bit of an edge...

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The troops are morons.

The troops are wrong for wanting to stay there, and you are a major d-bag.

If you vote for McCain this year, you're a moron. No exceptions.

Its people like you that cost the dems the last 2 elections. The "im smarter than you" line doesnt help your cause.

That goes both ways. Barney doesn't effect anyone. Palin, on the other hand, throwing out the "Pro American areas like North Carolina" or a top McCain aid stating McCain would win Virginia because the "Real Virginia, not effected by the northern liberal areas" would pull him through. Your own candidates spew the same shit (only GOP areas are Pro American or "Real") that you so detest...but of course, you don't mention that since they are "your" candidates. Talk about elitist bullshit.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: winnar111

It makes sense to want to preserve 5 years worth of efforts.

how so?

Quite simple. Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and its better to kill them now rather than later.

I thought they were in Northern Pakistan. Are you sure about that? 😕

Iraq announces Al Qaida defeat, warns neighbors

http://www.worldtribune.com/wo...e_terror0624_10_20.asp


BAGHDAD ? Iraq stated that Al Qaida was on the verge of collapse and will soon be eliminated.

Senior officials said the Al Qaida network sustained a significant loss in capability and recruits in 2008. They said that despite a spate of suicide bombings Al Qaida was on the verge of disintegrating.

"We have succeeded to a great extent in weakening the armed and terrorist factions of Al Qaida in Iraq and the neighboring countries should be vigilant regarding a comeback of these terrorists to the region," Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki said.

In an interview with the official Kuwait news agency, Al Maliki said Iraqi intelligence has determined that the Al Qaida network would soon be eliminated. Al Maliki said the network sustained a major blow with the loss of its No. 2 figure, Abu Qaswarah, a Moroccan native killed in a U.S.-led coalition operation in Mosul on Oct. 5.

Ah good, al Qaeda is defeated in Iraq. So we no longer need to hang around, right? McCain's 100 years of victory is unnecessary, it would seem.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Holy shit this thread is breaking news. I would have never guessed that the troops support the republican. This has been the case for a long time. Why do you think it would be any different?

I think its a rather curious trend.

We know why union works support Democrats because it allows them to maintain their monopoly status, but why would the military turn against the Democrats in such a strong fashion?

I don't know for sure but I was in the military from 1993 to 2003 and the military is just a conservative institution. It always has been. I think a lot of it has to do with the majority of the military being teenagers or young 20somethings that are told by their older and higher ranking peers that Republicans are better. At least that is what they told us.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: eskimospy
This is quite a fantastic poll you have there.

The real poll as opposed to insane right wing editorial poll-land.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey (that means response bias, a statistics 101 no-no) of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

Oops! So a voluntary response poll of a group of military members that underrepresents Obama's primary constituencies, minorities and the young, shows that the military heavily supports McCain. That's a real shocker.

I have little doubt that the military as a whole would prefer a veteran over someone who was not, but there's absolutely nothing in the poll that says anything about people still in the military preferring McCain over Obama due to his position on Iraq. Oh Winnar, keep trying. Those of us who have actually been in the military see straight through your bullshit.

Heh, thought we had some funky numbers when I first saw this. Wasn't military support for Bush and Kerry roughly 1:1? With Bush having a bit of an edge...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.../A25656-2004Oct11.html

We now have fairly compelling evidence, in the form of a Military Times survey of its readership (primarily career military officers and enlisted personnel), that reports of the demise of Bush's popularity were premature. By an astonishing 72 to 17 percent margin, the active-duty military personnel who took the survey favored Bush over Kerry (Guard and Reserve respondents favored Bush, 73 to 18 percent). Frankly, the margin greatly exceeds anything that I or any other analyst had expected.

Despite an extraordinary effort to woo the military, then, the Democrats still have not overcome their traditional tone-deafness when it comes to civil-military relations. Kerry's scorched-earth critique of the Iraq war may excite the base, but it alarms the military. The point is not that members of the military are blinded to mistakes or difficulties in Iraq. Rather, the point is that Kerry has unwittingly revived two specters that haunt the military.

The first is the ghost of Vietnam, which to the military (rightly or wrongly) means "fighting a war that domestic critics have made unpopular to the American public." Kerry is long on critique and short on what he would do differently from, or even better than, Bush. What the troops probably hear most loudly is red-meat rhetoric like "grand diversion," "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time," and other statements likely to undermine public resolve to see the war through to a successful conclusion.

The second ghost is President Bill Clinton as commander in chief, which to the military (rightly or wrongly) means an indecisive leader who wavers in response to shifting political winds. Kerry may believe that he has never changed his position on the Iraq war, but it is doubtful the military buys that spin.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: winnar111

It makes sense to want to preserve 5 years worth of efforts.

how so?

Quite simple. Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and its better to kill them now rather than later.

I thought they were in Northern Pakistan. Are you sure about that? 😕

Iraq announces Al Qaida defeat, warns neighbors

http://www.worldtribune.com/wo...e_terror0624_10_20.asp


BAGHDAD ? Iraq stated that Al Qaida was on the verge of collapse and will soon be eliminated.

Senior officials said the Al Qaida network sustained a significant loss in capability and recruits in 2008. They said that despite a spate of suicide bombings Al Qaida was on the verge of disintegrating.

"We have succeeded to a great extent in weakening the armed and terrorist factions of Al Qaida in Iraq and the neighboring countries should be vigilant regarding a comeback of these terrorists to the region," Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki said.

In an interview with the official Kuwait news agency, Al Maliki said Iraqi intelligence has determined that the Al Qaida network would soon be eliminated. Al Maliki said the network sustained a major blow with the loss of its No. 2 figure, Abu Qaswarah, a Moroccan native killed in a U.S.-led coalition operation in Mosul on Oct. 5.

Ah good, al Qaeda is defeated in Iraq. So we no longer need to hang around, right? McCain's 100 years of victory is unnecessary, it would seem.

Why do you think we are forming a security pact? We are leaving in victory in 2008 rather than in defeat in 2007.

 

[Harvey]

Are your American sources for desperate wingnut dogma running so low that you have to suck up bullshit from a Canadian right wing rag? :Q

More questionable integrity from the frozen northern fringoids: :roll:

Questioning Powell?s judgment and global perception.

?Number of climate change skeptics is growing rapidly?- ?Thirty years of warmer temperatures g Oct 20, 2008

Taking Our Country Back One Marxist Spider Hole At A Time Oct 20, 2008

VOTER PAMPHLET: Voting for Democrats Worse Than Smoking! Oct 20, 2008

An Incurious Colin Powell Endorses Obama Oct 20, 2008

What is it that Barack Obama knows that the rest of us don?t? Oct 20, 2008

And that's just what's dated, TODAY! :shocked:

Those jackasses really should keep their idiocy on their own side of the border. You're all the proof we need that we have more than enough of our own without them. :thumbsdown:

Of course, if you like them so much, you can always move there. :light: 😎

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: winnar111

It makes sense to want to preserve 5 years worth of efforts.

how so?

Quite simple. Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and its better to kill them now rather than later.

I thought they were in Northern Pakistan. Are you sure about that? 😕

Iraq announces Al Qaida defeat, warns neighbors

http://www.worldtribune.com/wo...e_terror0624_10_20.asp


BAGHDAD ? Iraq stated that Al Qaida was on the verge of collapse and will soon be eliminated.

Senior officials said the Al Qaida network sustained a significant loss in capability and recruits in 2008. They said that despite a spate of suicide bombings Al Qaida was on the verge of disintegrating.

"We have succeeded to a great extent in weakening the armed and terrorist factions of Al Qaida in Iraq and the neighboring countries should be vigilant regarding a comeback of these terrorists to the region," Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki said.

In an interview with the official Kuwait news agency, Al Maliki said Iraqi intelligence has determined that the Al Qaida network would soon be eliminated. Al Maliki said the network sustained a major blow with the loss of its No. 2 figure, Abu Qaswarah, a Moroccan native killed in a U.S.-led coalition operation in Mosul on Oct. 5.

Ah good, al Qaeda is defeated in Iraq. So we no longer need to hang around, right? McCain's 100 years of victory is unnecessary, it would seem.

Why do you think we are forming a security pact? We are leaving in victory in 2008 rather than in defeat in 2007.

Awesome! So if we're leaving in victory, why do the troops support McCain vs. Obama? It would seem we're leaving anyway, why would Obama's plan for withdrawal have any impact one way or another?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: winnar111
Why do you think we are forming a security pact? We are leaving in victory in 2008 rather than in defeat in 2007.

Awesome! So if we're leaving in victory, why do the troops support McCain vs. Obama? It would seem we're leaving anyway, why would Obama's plan for withdrawal have any impact one way or another?

Preparation for the next war, wherever it may be.

Saddam should have been taken out in 1992-1993, not 10 years later. Poppy wasn't re-elected and Clinton was a gutless coward whose only interest in the military was about gays.

Perhaps they don't want that mistake repeated.