Active Shooting in San Bernardino, California

[LegendKiller]

Some people don't mind engaging a dishonest, propaganda-spewing conservative such as yourself. I prefer to just ridicule the shit out of you.

You mean like liberals who say angry conservative white men are bigger terrorists while using mass shooting statistics that are largely perpetrated by gang members and other criminals.

 

[OrByte]

This can work.

If by saying that you mean a reasoned, measured, and moderate approach to addressing our countries mass shooting/killing problem could work then I agree with you.

But first, we need to recognize how our politicians are using binary arguments to keep as many people "on their side" so they can continue to be voted into their seats.

We need to take away that power from our politicians and put them on notice that Voters in America are smarter than that....we are right?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This can work.

No it can't, not with the "freedumb" crowd perpetually standing in the way of exactly that.

 

[brycejones]

We need to take away that power from our politicians and put them on notice that Voters in America are smarter than that....we are right?

I believe the evidence says otherwise.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah, but his post got a response from me that contained some explanation and thoughts for further discussion.

Your point was that "political correctness" creates some kind of dilemma when a person sees "suspicious activity" involving someone who looks "middle eastern." That could be true in certain situations. However, in the situation described in the article you linked, there was no suspicious activity. Going in and out of a house while being middle eastern isn't reasonable grounds for reporting someone. As has been said, if we reported everyone in circumstances such as these, the police would be overloaded with reports based on nothing truly suspicious. Hindsight is well and good, but based on the information available, the neighbor's decision not to report was quite clearly correct even if we all wish that he had reported it anyway. So your general point might be valid but this isn't a great case to illustrate the point.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

If by saying that you mean a reasoned, measured, and moderate approach to addressing our countries mass shooting/killing problem could work then I agree with you.

But first, we need to recognize how our politicians are using binary arguments to keep as many people "on their side" so they can continue to be voted into their seats.

We need to take away that power from our politicians and put them on notice that Voters in America are smarter than that....we are right?

If "smart" had anything to with it these things would have been done after Sandy Hook if not sooner. But now maybe "dumb" can work to the advantage since terr'ist Muslin fingers were on the triggers this time.

 

[CU]

Wonder why the Grandmother that was baby setting called the guys office when she heard about the shooting when she was told they were going to a doctor's appointment. Did she think they would do something?

 

[OrByte]

If "smart" had anything to with it these things would have been done after Sandy Hook if not sooner. But now maybe "dumb" can work to the advantage since terr'ist Muslin fingers were on the triggers this time.

maybe that is what it takes, a bunch of brown arabs running in the streets of america tossin pipe bombs and shooting AK's

man o man

After Sandy Hook you'd think a bunch of dead children would have been enough...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Wonder why the Grandmother that was baby setting called the guys office when she heard about the shooting when she was told they were going to a doctor's appointment. Did she think they would do something?

Maybe she wondered why mom's Baby Bjorn looked like this:

 

[ivwshane]

You mean like liberals who say angry conservative white men are bigger terrorists while using mass shooting statistics that are largely perpetrated by gang members and other criminals.

Which one of these were gang related?

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

I suggest you go see a doctor immediately, it's clear you are suffering from some mental issues or stop watching trump speeches. You've seriously become a dumbass.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wonder why the Grandmother that was baby setting called the guys office when she heard about the shooting when she was told they were going to a doctor's appointment. Did she think they would do something?

I don't think it needs to be explained why a mother called looking for her Son after there have been reports of multiple people shot where he works

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

AR-15s are banned in CA?

I don't think so. If I understand this correctly, the maximum clip size is 10 bullets and the law requires a mechanism on the clip that prohibits fast reloading. I also heard that the clip used in this incident was illegal.

 

[Ackmed]

I don't think so. If I understand this correctly, the maximum clip size is 10 bullets and the law requires a mechanism on the clip that prohibits fast reloading. I also heard that the clip used in this incident was illegal.

Not to nit pick, but they're called magazines, not clips. Clips are used in weapons like the M1 Garand.

 

[Jaskalas]

So the guy was too extreme to have an impure American bride. That says a lot. I mean, it's easy to suggest she radicalized him... and to an extent that may be true, but he had to be radical to begin with.

He didn't have to be radical to begin with, he just had to be in a mental state that allowed for manipulation. Perhaps his work environment was shitty and stressful, perhaps he was lonely and desperate for a woman.

Officials: Syed Rizwan Farook was in touch with international terrorism subjects

It's having to cross the planet to get a bride that tipped me off. Cause everyone, even Muslims, in America weren't pure enough for this terrorist. He had to go to the homeland of Wahhabism.

 

[DrDoug]

maybe that is what it takes, a bunch of brown arabs running in the streets of america tossin pipe bombs and shooting AK's

man o man

After Sandy Hook you'd think a bunch of dead children would have been enough...

Nope, a crazy white guy did it or it was a false flag operation so nothing to do. I remember white Californians freaking out when the Black Panthers showed up with rifles at one place. Next thing you know, Saint Ronald of Reagan pushed through a change in law that fixed that little problem.

So you are right that it takes brown people doing scary stuff to get Americans to panic, white guys are just crazy or imaginary.

 

[HomerJS]

Why are you and several other posters so keen on making this issue about (presumably) white, racist, anti-government types?

Sucks when those pesky muslim terrorists keep trashing the "religion of peace" narrative, I guess.

I'm asking why Ryan is singling out terrorism to Muslims only??

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Not to nit pick, but they're called magazines, not clips. Clips are used in weapons like the M1 Garand.

Goes to show you how much I know about guns! But I heard this on the radio this morning so I thought I would pass it along.

 

[JD50]

Not to nit pick, but they're called magazines, not clips. Clips are used in weapons like the M1 Garand.

It's also called a round, not a bullet.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't think so. If I understand this correctly, the maximum clip size is 10 bullets and the law requires a mechanism on the clip that prohibits fast reloading. I also heard that the clip used in this incident was illegal.

ARs sold in California are limited to a ten-round magazine and must be designed to require a tool in order to change magazines, as opposed to a simple button press. In practice most manufacturers have dealt with the latter requirement by using a "bullet button" that can be pressed with a bullet tip (a bullet constitutes a "tool" within the meaning of the applicable CA law). One could easily modify that to not require a bullet or other tool (it could be as simple as a piece of plastic that would fill the bullet hole and extend out to form an external button), and there are commercially available kits to do precisely this (e.g., http://www.goldenstatetactical.com/AR-15-Bullet-Button-Convertible-p/gstbbconv.htm). As for the magazines, 30-50 round magazines are readily available anywhere in the US other than, if memory serves, CA, MA and NY, so the shooters could easily have bought some in Nevada or elsewhere, or had them sent to them. Modifying the bullet button and using 30 round magazines would be illegal under CA law, but so is going on a killing spree . . .

 

[Drako]

IED factory. :hmm:

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

ARs sold in California are limited to a ten-round magazine and must be designed to require a tool in order to change magazines, as opposed to a simple button press. In practice most manufacturers have dealt with the latter requirement by using a "bullet button" that can be pressed with a bullet tip (a bullet constitutes a "tool" within the meaning of the applicable CA law). One could easily modify that to not require a bullet or other tool (it could be as simple as a piece of plastic that would fill the bullet hole and extend out to form an external button), and there are commercially available kits to do precisely this. As for the magazines, 30-50 round magazines are readily available anywhere in the US other than, if memory serves, CA, MA and NY, so the shooters could easily have bought some in Nevada or elsewhere, or had them sent to them. Modifying the bullet button and using 30 round magazines would be illegal under CA law, but so is going on a killing spree . . .

And therein lies the rub.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I wasn't aware that people were pushing the narrative that "all Christians are terrorists" so hard.

Maybe not Christians quite so hard, but every time there's a mass shooting involving a white guy, the left does its best to try and put the raging ultra-conservative label on him even after evidence to the contrary comes to light.

 

[FerrelGeek]

If anything shooting a bunch of innocent people shows how American these people are.

So, what about the mass murderers in Paris? They weren't American.

You're an idiot.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

So far, the facts surrounding the San-Berdoo attack include the origin of Tashkeen Malik.

Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia to engage her, and she'd only been in the US since 2013. Farook himself had been born in Illinois.

So what would compel someone to leave their 6-month-old baby in the hands of relatives so they could go out and kill people at a Christmas party?

That indicates the insanity dimension to the radicalization that may have occurred -- and seems likely.

ISIS isn't taking credit for this, even as they applaud it. And then, you add some workplace grievance, which seems to underlie it. Here's this guy earning about $13,000/year more than the California family median income of $57,000. He owns a house. He has a big SUV.

For Tashkeen and Syed: was there some sort of problem they had with "a Christmas party" among office workers? And who stirred up those issues -- if there were any?

I think the suspicion for this almost-unexplainable attack is beginning to fall on Tashkeen Malik. Until 2013, she hadn't been part of a wider family circle around Farook -- an extended family that seems to be "just an ordinary family of American Muslims."


And they're the ones who will suffer in American Public Opinion. Just what Dr. Baghdadi prescribes.

Considering the nature of the public facility attacked, it almost seems like a copy-cat replication of Dear's assault on Planned Parenthood.

And I keep saying that a threat from radical Islamists seems pretty desperate, if they're copying attacks made by Lanza, Holmes, Dear and others.

It's like saying "See?! We're insane, too!"

 

[woolfe9998]

Maybe not Christians quite so hard, but every time there's a mass shooting involving a white guy, the left does its best to try and put the raging ultra-conservative label on him even after evidence to the contrary comes to light.

Let's be real here. Both sides have a preferred narrative and no one seems content to just let the facts come out first before urging that narrative. Look at the Colorado Springs case, where the political right jumped in almost immediately to provide a BS alternative theory and it turned out to be wrong. In another case, it could be the left drawing the incorrect conclusion. That's what ideology does - it puts you in a situation where any connection between your opinion and the truth is purely coincidental because the opinion isn't based on facts. It's a sad state of affairs to live your life disconnected from reality but unfortunately it seems to afflict almost everyone to one degree or another.