Active shooter at YouTube HQ

[Younigue]

I'm surprised that some republican entrepreneur hasn't come up with their own line of ammo, something like Active Shooter brand. Their motto/slogan could be "if you have to shoot up the place at least stand out and use active shooter brand ammo. Active shooter reminds you to be safe and shoot everything in sight before it can shoot you back" or something equally bizarre.

How about... This is not the time to be conservative! Get progressive on their many, many assess. Buy Active Shooter Brand because no one's gonna stop you.

 

[woodman1999]

WTF is the point of that? Thoughts and prayers are the coward's way of saying "nothing to be done here, let me make an empty gesture so I feel better about doing nothing". This threads get this way because I believe most liberals are flat out disgusted that we keep having these events and elect to do exactly nothing about it beyond more empty gestures.

If you need your safe space to make empty gestures a shooting thread isn't going to be it in P&N.

It's more of what these types of threads tend to be used for. As stated, taking this thread and turning directly into just another discussion about gun control is threadjacking.

I don't need a damn safespace for anything. I am just sick and tired of the same old rinse and repeat gun control threads. It's important to have a discussion on it, but it's boring as shit that it's pretty much the only thing that's being discussed and it's jacking other peoples threads who may not have intended it to be that way.

 

[UNCjigga]

What physical evidence were the police going to arrest her on without violating her civil rights? The threats she made against YouTube were also quite vague. It wasn't specific enough to the point where she literally said that she would walk up to their headquarters and go completely ballistic to anyone working there.

Also, being found sleeping in her car near YouTube's HQ doesn't automatically spell out that she was plotting a mass murder of some sorts. Even though she was a missing person for about 3 days, it still doesn't point to any convincing proof of a crime or conspiracy to arrest her on.

I'm not making excuses for the murderer or the police, but the situation doesn't sound as black and white as it's being made out.

The police didn't have to arrest her on any suspicion of a crime...based on the fact she was sleeping in a car and was subject of a missing person's report, they could have referred her to a health facility for observation. At some point they determined she was not a threat to herself or others, but I'd like to know how that determination was made and whether they had communicated at all with her family or San Diego authorities regarding the missing person's report. Also, not much probable cause needed these days to search a vehicle, especially if you're Iranian.

 

[brycejones]

It's more of what these types of threads tend to be used for. As stated, taking this thread and turning directly into just another discussion about gun control is threadjacking.

I don't need a damn safespace for anything. I am just sick and tired of the same old rinse and repeat gun control threads. It's important to have a discussion on it, but it's boring as shit that it's pretty much the only thing that's being discussed and it's jacking other peoples threads who may not have intended it to be that way.

Discussing guns and the lack of gun control in a shooting thread is on point, not thread jacking. Thread jacking is when some ass hat wants to start ranting about second hand smoke. If you're really concerned you can always report the posts you think are thread jacking.

 

[Puffnstuff]

How about... This is not the time to be conservative! Get progressive on their many, many assess. Buy Active Shooter Brand because no one's gonna stop you.

Maybe add a point system on the side of the box like a bowling score card for them to use while they do it. What's happened to us as a people when a hideous act like a workplace shooting becomes normalized?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Discussing guns and the lack of gun control in a shooting thread is on point, not thread jacking. Thread jacking is when some ass hat wants to start ranting about second hand smoke. If you're really concerned you can always report the posts you think are thread jacking.

This place has as much flexibility at times as the NRA. Get rid of the Second. Get rid of guns. There's no more willingness to compromise than many on the right.

A woman killed that fits the definition of terrorism. She killed for a cause, not some random event, then everything goes to stupid. Bring up false and misleading statistics. Maybe be like Hillary and lie about things for the greater good. Yeah she did when she went with the "silencer" issue and the NV shooter.

I can't trust either side on this issue to be honest brokers. That's too bad.

 

[Kneedragger]

Explain my ignorance to me exactly. Is it the name calling? Or my stance that high powered guns should not be in the hands of civilians? One of those things can kill you. The other just hurts your precious little feelings. Buck up little one, my words will never hurt or destroy you as much as a bullet does to its victims. Stay stupid (it's apparently all you have to offer?)!

Your ignorance is anyone that supports 2A is an idiot with a small penis to sum it up..

In this thread I don't think I've seen you say anything BUT all firearms should be banned. So that statement is false.. regardless of what you have said in other threads before I replied to you in this thread I believe that hasn't been said..

If I cared about what you have said I would have just muted you. Life's too short to worry about the dribble that comes out of your mouth from behind the internet.

Also... You mentioned you're going shooting with your husband? So you are going to shoot but feel all firearms should be banned?!

I still feel you're ignorant as fuck. Go get some rest you sound like you need some..

 

[hal2kilo]

This place has as much flexibility at times as the NRA. Get rid of the Second. Get rid of guns. There's no more willingness to compromise than many on the right.

A woman killed that fits the definition of terrorism. She killed for a cause, not some random event, then everything goes to stupid. Bring up false and misleading statistics. Maybe be like Hillary and lie about things for the greater good. Yeah she did when she went with the "silencer" issue and the NV shooter.

I can't trust either side on this issue to be honest brokers. That's too bad.

Well, at least you got a Hillary knock in there . What was the subject again?

 

[brycejones]

This place has as much flexibility at times as the NRA. Get rid of the Second. Get rid of guns. There's no more willingness to compromise than many on the right.

A woman killed that fits the definition of terrorism. She killed for a cause, not some random event, then everything goes to stupid. Bring up false and misleading statistics. Maybe be like Hillary and lie about things for the greater good. Yeah she did when she went with the "silencer" issue and the NV shooter.

I can't trust either side on this issue to be honest brokers. That's too bad.

Not a white male = terrorist

got it

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, at least you got a Hillary knock in there . What was the subject again?

And here's the proof of my contention.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not a white male = terrorist

got it

This is apparently beyond the ability to understand basic words. If this had been a white guy killing because of an ideology surrounding censorship then he would have been a terrorist. But her not being a white male lets her off your hook. Don't be stupid here. You find in my many years of posting where I picked someone as a terrorist because of their background and good luck with that. The actions don't matter. You all get to play racist games. The action and the reasons determine what is what. Learn that.

 

[Muse]

Is it wrong my first thought was are they streaming it live to YouTube?

Not one of your moments of sanity... I couldn't resist.

 

[brycejones]

This is apparently beyond the ability to understand basic words. If this had been a white guy killing because of an ideology surrounding censorship then he would have been a terrorist. But her not being a white male lets her off your hook. Don't be stupid here. You find in my many years of posting where I picked someone as a terrorist because of their background and good luck with that. The actions don't matter. You all get to play racist games. The action and the reasons determine what is what. Learn that.

None of these fuckers get off the hook with me. I'm disgusted with how easy we make it for those with a mental illness or ax to grind to kill their fellow citizens and our unwillingness as a society to address that.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Yes, we need to be more like England and limit guns. London has a pretty substantial homicide rate where the preferred weapon is a knife. Libs love to dance around personal responsibility. It's not the whackjob's fault; the gun made them do it. Anything to blame non-libs. I've said it a few times on here - we as a nation HAVE to come to grips with mental health issues and law enforcement needs to take warnings by people (Cruz for example) seriously.

I blame the vast number of guns and ease of access to said guns in this country. Political nuttery of the shooter doesn't matter. But there is one political persuasion (hint: not liberal) that overwhelmingly appears to oppose any attempts to address the issue of access to guns.

So I guess we can still blame conservatives.

 

[Muse]

... he would have been a terrorist.

Personally, I regard most all of these killing innocent people episodes as terrorist activities, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, proclamation of intent, "motives" squeezed out by the authorities. People rationalize before and after the fact, but that shit doesn't float. "Killing is killing by any name."

And as with most of these episodes this was perpetrated with a gun, a device that launches lead projectiles at super sonic speeds so fast that you can't see them, they strike you and tear you apart before you can hear the report of the gun. They pervert people's minds, they help turn them into killers. Yes some of these people would have resorted to knives, even swords, but guns are so much more convenient. America is perverse (there are 5x as many guns/capita as in the next most armed developed nation). Guns pervert people (not everybody, you might say, but enough to make them anathema in a society that prefers sanity to madness). Ban them. Repeal the 2nd Amendment. The NRA is our enemy, there is no doubt about it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

None of these fuckers get off the hook with me. I'm disgusted with how easy we make it for those with a mental illness or ax to grind to kill their fellow citizens and our unwillingness as a society to address that.

You just let her off the hook for not being a white man. That was your premise, your excuse. You decided to play the same trick as Trumpites. You decides who was a terrorist based on race or you gave every impression thereof. You mitigate where there is no mitigation.

I'm tired of all this too.

 

[brycejones]

It's not the whackjob's fault; the gun made them do it. Anything to blame non-libs.

Beat the shit out of that strawman. A gun is a much more efficient tool of death than a knife.

 

[brycejones]

You just let her off the hook for not being a white man. That was your premise, your excuse. You decided to play the same trick as Trumpites. You decides who was a terrorist based on race or you gave every impression thereof. You mitigate where there is no mitigation.

I'm tired of all this too.

I didn't let her off the hook and maybe I misinterpreted your statement. But all to often we call lone white males "mentally ill" and anyone who doesn't fit that criteria a terrorist. If you weren't going there my apologies.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Yes, we need to be more like England and limit guns. London has a pretty substantial homicide rate where the preferred weapon is a knife. Libs love to dance around personal responsibility. It's not the whackjob's fault; the gun made them do it. Anything to blame non-libs. I've said it a few times on here - we as a nation HAVE to come to grips with mental health issues and law enforcement needs to take warnings by people (Cruz for example) seriously.

Notice, however, that England does not have a problem with mass stabbings. Could it be that the weapon makes a difference in how dangerous a homicidal person is?

 

[Younigue]

It's more of what these types of threads tend to be used for. As stated, taking this thread and turning directly into just another discussion about gun control is threadjacking.

I don't need a damn safespace for anything. I am just sick and tired of the same old rinse and repeat gun control threads. It's important to have a discussion on it, but it's boring as shit that it's pretty much the only thing that's being discussed and it's jacking other peoples threads who may not have intended it to be that way.

So you want to discuss nothing beyond the details of this specific shooting (which ya know, read the news). Do you not see that these shootings are rinse and repeat? The reactions will then be rinse and repeat. I don't think you're making yourself clear on what you hoped this thread would be.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I didn't let her off the hook and maybe I misinterpreted your statement. But all to often we call lone white males "mentally ill" and anyone who doesn't fit that criteria a terrorist. If you weren't going there my apologies.

Seems to me we're all good, but I'm becoming more impatient of people picking terms which are defined with motive. Those guys who took and held federal land were terrorists by the definition of the law. The bombers in Boston likewise. This woman too. The bomber in Austin was not.

The difference is between motivations and causes the latter being dangerous because they can spread like a virus. We've seen it.

I didn't make a distinction because of anything other than the desire for a cause. Does that make the acts of the bomber less horrible? By no means! Is dying because someone wanted to have some fun and they slit your throat better? Again no, not at all.

But in RATIONAL discussions as to how to approach an event we need to undertand motivations and think how to approach them. Saying "get rid of guns" is all well and good, but trust me as neckbeard as it may sound. I can efficiently kill many people, more than this woman without a gun. No, if life is worthless, secondary to "the cause" or just because it's cheap where one lives, this nation will remain a violent and deadly place. Those that think not ought to look at the UK, particularly London. What happened? They are adopting the perspective of lives not being valued.

I support reasoned compromise. No one will get everything they want, but until we understand our natures, understand why we do things, tossing around words without understanding, protecting the favored, taking proper actions against the wrongdoers nothing will get better.

Be angry. Want justice, but don't lie to yourself or others about what things are. BTW this isn't "you", but us as a society.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Notice, however, that England does not have a problem with mass stabbings. Could it be that the weapon makes a difference in how dangerous a homicidal person is?

Why is London at least as dangerous as NYC?

 

[Younigue]

Maybe add a point system on the side of the box like a bowling score card for them to use while they do it. What's happened to us as a people when a hideous act like a workplace shooting becomes normalized?

Have you seen the movie Series 7: The Contenders?

The score card should be required mass shooting etiquette. If only to keep the shooter distracted between shots. But if not, there could be some betting on how close the shooter's tally (they often don't survive to give their best guess tally verbally) comes to the actual tally.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Why is London at least as dangerous as NYC?

It's not. The news you are seeing is just a stupid media reporting a statistical abnormality caused by low sample size. London had one third the violent crime as New York City last year with a very similar population size, and will probably have similar stats this year.

EDIT: Or if you want to look at just homicides since 1990 the average number of homicides in NYC has been 1134 per year, London on the other hand has averaged only 171.

 

[Younigue]

Your ignorance is anyone that supports 2A is an idiot with a small penis to sum it up..

In this thread I don't think I've seen you say anything BUT all firearms should be banned. So that statement is false.. regardless of what you have said in other threads before I replied to you in this thread I believe that hasn't been said..

If I cared about what you have said I would have just muted you. Life's too short to worry about the dribble that comes out of your mouth from behind the internet.

Also... You mentioned you're going shooting with your husband? So you are going to shoot but feel all firearms should be banned?!

I still feel you're ignorant as fuck. Go get some rest you sound like you need some..

To be more specific... ban all guns that can kill 17 kids and injure 15 others in 6 minutes.

Yes, 2A purists are stupid and likely have small penises or fear that their penises don't measure up to better men's penises (they likely don't).

Sure, you replied to me in this thread but you are not worth repeating myself. Not even close to worth it.

"If I cared about what you have said I would have just muted you. Life's too short to worry about the dribble that comes out of your mouth from behind the internet." <--- you might be limiting yourself too much in your usage of the/your mute feature poodle.

Shooting at a range but with a gun that shoots one bullet at a time.

I'm good. Slept well last night (and every night) thanks for your unnecessary concern. While we're doling out advice might I suggest you smarten the fu*k up sweetcakes? Try it, you might like it. If you do, that right there son will be a scenario in which everyone wins. If you don't, no harm no foul you still get to be your dumb self you're so clearly attached to being. *bring it in for a really awkward unwanted hug special boy*