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YoungGun21

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So some of these guys I know went out and blew up a mailbox. It was a small one, the kind for the newspapers and not the regular mail. I realize this may still be a federal offence, but how can this be an 'act of terrorism'? Its just kids being kids.

The cops got called on them (thank god I didn't go with them!) and evidently thats what the cops are calling it.
 
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YoungGun21

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Sure... their intent was to terrorize the newspaper delivery person.
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They did it at like 11PM or around there. No newspaper deliveries around that time.

 
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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Sure... their intent was to terrorize the newspaper delivery person.
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They did it at like 11PM or around there. No newspaper deliveries around that time.
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It's all about perception. It could be perceived as a threat. Imagine being a newspaper delivery person and wondering if one of those little boxes is going to blow up with your hand half way in as you stuff the Sunday paper inside.
 
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YoungGun21

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Sure... their intent was to terrorize the newspaper delivery person.
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They did it at like 11PM or around there. No newspaper deliveries around that time.
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It's all about perception. It could be perceived as a threat. Imagine being a newspaper delivery person and wondering if one of those little boxes is going to blow up with your hand half way in as you stuff the Sunday paper inside.
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So if I walk up behind a newspaper man and yell "booga booga!" really loud at random houses and scare (a.k.a. terrify) him, I am committing an act of terrorism. Correct?

 
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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Sure... their intent was to terrorize the newspaper delivery person.
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They did it at like 11PM or around there. No newspaper deliveries around that time.
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It's all about perception. It could be perceived as a threat. Imagine being a newspaper delivery person and wondering if one of those little boxes is going to blow up with your hand half way in as you stuff the Sunday paper inside.
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So if I walk up behind a newspaper man and yell "booga booga!" really loud at random houses and scare (a.k.a. terrify) him, I am committing an act of terrorism. Correct?
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No... if you shot the ground at his feet, yes.
 
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YoungGun21

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Your argument is making no sense. They didn't blow one up in a guy's face. They blew it up when nobody was around.
 
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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Your argument is making no sense. They didn't blow one up in a guy's face. They blew it up when nobody was around.
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Are you so narrow minded that you really can't see how it could be perceived as a threat by an irrational person, or do you just refuse to acknowledge it out of stubbornness?
 
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YoungGun21

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I see how it can be seen that way, but if I ran up behind him at random times would he still feel threatened? He might, but am I committing an act of terrorism? No.
 
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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
I see how it can be seen that way, but if I ran up behind him at random times would he still feel threatened? He might, but am I committing an act of terrorism? No.
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Depends on your definition of an "act of terrorism." If you're talking about the literal definition of "terrorize" then yes, you're definitely terrorizing him. If you're talking about the Taliban slamming air planes into civilian buildings, then no, obviously not.
 
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YoungGun21

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I'm of course talking about the second 'definition' you gave. This is the way the govt. officials are using it.

So by that definition is this an act of terrorism? Not even close.
 
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A few years back there was a guy putting pipebombs in mailboxes.

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I'd guess that the USPS takes this kind of thing very seriously.

EDIT: They did get the guy. Eighteen pipebombs in five days. Text
 
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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
I'm of course talking about the second 'definition' you gave. This is the way the govt. officials are using it.

So by that definition is this an act of terrorism? Not even close.
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Maybe if it was the mailbox of a high ranking U.S. Military officer and the the guys who planted the explosives were Muslim extremists. ;)
 
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YoungGun21

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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
A few years back there was a guy putting pipebombs in mailboxes.

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I'd guess that the USPS takes this kind of thing very seriously.
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As I stated above, I don't think it was a USPS mailbox, I think it was just one for the newspapers. Not 100% on this though.

And, no, my friends are not radical muslims.

 
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altonb1

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It's a BOMB that is BLOWING SOMETHING UP.

What are they supposed to be charged with? :confused:

They used a BOMB...that is a little more than simple vandalism.
 
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YoungGun21

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Originally posted by: altonb1
It's a BOMB that is BLOWING SOMETHING UP.

What are they supposed to be charged with? :confused:

They used a BOMB...that is a little more than simple vandalism.
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Where did I say they used a bomb? There are bunches of things that can blow up that are not bombs. Household objects, things you use everyday.
 
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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Originally posted by: altonb1
It's a BOMB that is BLOWING SOMETHING UP.

What are they supposed to be charged with? :confused:

They used a BOMB...that is a little more than simple vandalism.
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Where did I say they used a bomb? There are bunches of things that can blow up that are not bombs. Household objects, things you use everyday.
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Oooo... now we need a definition of a bomb...

bomb
?noun
1. Military. a projectile, formerly usually spherical, filled with a bursting charge and exploded by means of a fuze, by impact, or otherwise, now generally designed to be dropped from an aircraft.
2. any similar missile or explosive device used as a weapon, to disperse crowds, etc.: a time bomb; a smoke bomb.


hmmm... now we need a definition for explosion

ex·plo·sion
?noun
1. an act or instance of exploding; a violent expansion or bursting with noise, as of gunpowder or a boiler



So... a violent expansion constitutes an explosion... and an explosive device constitutes a bomb. Sounds like your friends definitely used a bomb.
 
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YoungGun21

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Maybe things are too loosely defined.

They do that for a reason.

So that they get the benefit of the doubt.
 
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Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
A few years back there was a guy putting pipebombs in mailboxes.

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I'd guess that the USPS takes this kind of thing very seriously.
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As I stated above, I don't think it was a USPS mailbox, I think it was just one for the newspapers. Not 100% on this though.

And, no, my friends are not radical muslims.
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The incident that I was talking about were private mailboxes too.
 
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altonb1

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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Originally posted by: altonb1
It's a BOMB that is BLOWING SOMETHING UP.

What are they supposed to be charged with? :confused:

They used a BOMB...that is a little more than simple vandalism.
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Where did I say they used a bomb? There are bunches of things that can blow up that are not bombs. Household objects, things you use everyday.
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How do you blow something up without a bomb? If you are combining two household objects together to get a violent chemical reaction which causes an explosion, it's a bomb.

Fact is, your friends sound like a bunch of morons. I get the impression that you are usually with them but for some reason were not on this occasion. Whether it was luck, fate, or a simple coincidence that you were not there, it sounds like you are not unlike your friends.
 
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