ACORN Registration Workers Charged With Felony Voter Fraud

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I honestly can't understand how anyone defends this organization...

ACORN Registration Workers Charged With Felony Voter Fraud

FOXNews.com

Five Wisconsin residents, including two who worked for community organizing group ACORN, were charged Monday with election fraud relating to the 2008 presidential election.

Five Wisconsin residents, including two who worked for community organizing group ACORN, were charged Monday with election fraud relating to the 2008 presidential election.

State Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen announced felony charges against Maria Miles, Kevin Clancy, Michael Henderson, Herbert Gunka and Suzanne Gunka.

Miles and Clancy worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now and are accused of submitting multiple voter registration applications for the same individuals, including each other, to meet voter registration quotes imposed by the community organizing group.

Henderson is charged with one count of voting by a disqualified person and providing false information to election officials. The allegation claims he was on a felony probation and prohibited from voting at the time.

Herbert and Suzanne Gunka are each charged with double voting -- a felony -- by allegedly absentee voting and then going to the polls to vote.

"The integrity of elections is dependent upon citizens and officials insisting they be conducted lawfully. Wisconsin's citizens should not have to wonder whether their vote has been negated or diminished by illegally cast ballots," Van Hollen said.

My FoxMilwaukee reported that neither could immediately be reached for comment, and it was unclear whether they had lawyers.

Each individual charge carries a potential penalty of imprisonment up to three and a half years and a $10,000 fine. They are scheduled to appear in court on April 20.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/08/acorn-registration-workers-charged-felony-voter-fraud/
 

werepossum

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Last I heard ACORN was molting, changing its name for new alphabet agencies no one has yet heard of. Same old corruption, exciting new name. As to these folks, if they are guilty I hope they get the maximum time possible.
 

Rainsford

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Well, it's an organization with many, many members...two of which have been charged with something bad. I can't understand why anyone would ATTACK an organization based off that, personally.
 

JEDIYoda

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who actually cares????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 

waggy

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Well, it's an organization with many, many members...two of which have been charged with something bad. I can't understand why anyone would ATTACK an organization based off that, personally.

just add it in with all the other shit acorn has done..
 

Moonbeam

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I feel the same way about Mcdonalds. An employee there pissed in the salad dressing.
 

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Not trying to "defend" ACORN in general, but this particular news item isn't exactly that earth shattering. The three people prosecuted for actual voting fraud (one voting without registration and two double voting) were not with ACORN. The two ACORN people had double registered some voters because ACORN had internal registration quotas and these were lazy employees who were defrauding ACORN itself. It's a rather de minimus violation of actual election laws because someone being registered twice doesn't mean the person can vote twice. I suppose you can criticize ACORN for having internal quotas on the theory that it encourages this sort of behavior. However, since it doesn't have an actual effect on the ballot box, it isn't that potent a criticism.

- wolf
 

Jhhnn

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Not trying to "defend" ACORN in general, but this particular news item isn't exactly that earth shattering. The three people prosecuted for actual voting fraud (one voting without registration and two double voting) were not with ACORN. The two ACORN people had double registered some voters because ACORN had internal registration quotas and these were lazy employees who were defrauding ACORN itself. It's a rather de minimus violation of actual election laws because someone being registered twice doesn't mean the person can vote twice. I suppose you can criticize ACORN for having internal quotas on the theory that it encourages this sort of behavior. However, since it doesn't have an actual effect on the ballot box, it isn't that potent a criticism.

- wolf

Don't try to talk sense to these guys- they have a good wingnut rant on, panties all bunched up in self-righteous indignation, gettin' the fix for their outrage addiction. Might as well preach the gospel to a fencepost.
 

PJABBER

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Don't try to talk sense to these guys- they have a good wingnut rant on, panties all bunched up in self-righteous indignation, gettin' the fix for their outrage addiction. Might as well preach the gospel to a fencepost.

Yeah, a tempest in a teapot.

In 2008, election officials in several states said that fully half of ACORN voter registrations were fraudulent. As of October of that year, ACORN was under investigation for voter-registration fraud in 13 states -- Connecticut, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, and Wisconsin.
 

PJABBER

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lol, newsmax and nro...

What, you expect to read about ACORN's systemic transgressions at DemocratUnderground or the DailyKross?

Get real. ACORN is a Democrat Party front and must be defended by those tools at all costs!

I found the following linked page to be an accurate and comprehensive summary for all things ACORN. An excellent compendium of links to a wide variety of source material.

Read it and weep (or, in the specific case of UberNeuman, laugh, brother, laugh.)

ACORN
 
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PJABBER

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What? A guy with a website who also writes for newsmax...

rofl....

You are easily amused! :awe:

Good for you!

Life is invariably good for you who finds the humor in everything that passes before your eyes, even if most everyone else wonders what it is that you find incongruous!
 

UberNeuman

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You are easily amused! :awe:

Good for you!

Life is invariably good for you who finds the humor in everything that passes before your eyes, even if most everyone else wonders what it is that you find incongruous!

I'm glad you feel that way...
 

PJABBER

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I'm glad you feel that way...

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:awe:
 

Craig234

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I honestly can't understand how anyone defends this organization...

ACORN Registration Workers Charged With Felony Voter Fraud

FOXNews.com

Five Wisconsin residents, including two who worked for community organizing group ACORN, were charged Monday with election fraud relating to the 2008 presidential election.

Five Wisconsin residents, including two who worked for community organizing group ACORN, were charged Monday with election fraud relating to the 2008 presidential election.

State Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen announced felony charges against Maria Miles, Kevin Clancy, Michael Henderson, Herbert Gunka and Suzanne Gunka.

Miles and Clancy worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now and are accused of submitting multiple voter registration applications for the same individuals, including each other, to meet voter registration quotes imposed by the community organizing group.

Henderson is charged with one count of voting by a disqualified person and providing false information to election officials. The allegation claims he was on a felony probation and prohibited from voting at the time.

Herbert and Suzanne Gunka are each charged with double voting -- a felony -- by allegedly absentee voting and then going to the polls to vote.

"The integrity of elections is dependent upon citizens and officials insisting they be conducted lawfully. Wisconsin's citizens should not have to wonder whether their vote has been negated or diminished by illegally cast ballots," Van Hollen said.

My FoxMilwaukee reported that neither could immediately be reached for comment, and it was unclear whether they had lawyers.

Each individual charge carries a potential penalty of imprisonment up to three and a half years and a $10,000 fine. They are scheduled to appear in court on April 20.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/08/acorn-registration-workers-charged-felony-voter-fraud/

You're the dishonest one.

ACORN helps democracy. It's a grass roots organization that helps and registers mostely the poor. THey often hire very poor, some homeless, people to do registration work.

They tell the workers to do the right thing. Most do; some of the workers don't and turn in false registrations.

All ACORN is required to by law is hand in all the registration forms and let the registrar sort out the good and the bad, and they have followed the law. Any wrongdoing was by the worker.

But they go beyond the law, and scan the forms for clear false forms, and put those in a separate group to turn in. THey can't just toss them - the law requires turning them in.

THey fully cooperate with the authorities to prosecute people who break the law with false forms.

So ACRON is doing nothing wrong - they are helping democracy.

You on the other hand, whether y ou are motivated by theiur helping the poor or just duped by the attacks of those who mind, are falsely attacking them for their helping the party you disagree with more.

That's scummy behavior.
 

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1st time?????????





Largest radical group in America, with more than 400,000 dues-paying member families, and more than 1,200 chapters in 110 U.S. cities
Implicated in numerous reports of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams during the 2004 election
Maintains close ties to organized labor


The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a grassroots political organization that grew out of George Wiley's National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), whose members in the late 1960s and early 70s invaded welfare offices across the U.S. -- often violently -- bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them. In the late 1960s, ACORN co-founder Wade Rathke was a NWRO organizer and a protegé of Wiley. Rathke also organized draft resistance for the militant group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) during the same period.

In 1970 Rathke -- along with the aforementioned Wiley (best known for his effective use of the so-called "Cloward-Piven strategy (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967)," which called for swamping the welfare rolls with new applicants and thereby creating an economic crisis) and Gary Delgado (a lead organizer for Wiley's NWRO) -- formed a new entity called Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). The group's name was later changed to Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, but the acronym ACORN remained. Instead of focusing only on welfare recipients, ACORN's mandate included all issues touching low-income and working-class people.

Rathke and his ACORN co-founders enlisted civil rights workers and trained them in a program (at Syracuse University) patterned after Saul Alinsky's (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2314) activist tactics.

Today ACORN claims more than 400,000 dues-paying member families, and more than 1,200 chapters in 110 U.S. cities. (The organization is also active in Canada and Mexico). It owns two radio stations, a housing corporation, and a law office, and maintains affiliate relationships with a host of trade-union locals. ACORN also runs schools where children are trained in class consciousness; a network of "boot camps" for training street activists; and operations that extort contributions from banks and other businesses under threat of racial violence and trumped-up civil rights charges.

In 1998, ACORN founded the Working Families Party in New York, which endorses candidates for political office. It endorsed Hillary Clinton in her 2000 Senate race. Canvassers from ACORN and its sister groups launched a statewide voter-mobilization drive that proved influential in Clinton's victory. In November 2001, a coalition of radical politicians led by ACORN-sponsored candidates running on the Working Families Party ticket won a veto-proof majority on the New York City Council, giving ACORN de facto control of the New York City government.

With little opposition from Republicans or moderate Democrats, ACORN radicals pushed laws tightening their control over New York City government and stripping the Mayor of executive power. Their current platform calls for a rollback of welfare reforms; a crackdown on NYC police, including a ban on "racial and ethnic profiling"; and the appointment of a politicized Civilian Review Board newly empowered to prosecute police officers. ACORN also seeks to use its influence to raise corporate taxes, increase regulation, and empower unions with an array of new rights. ACORN seeks to prevent any corporation from being free to leave New York without an "exit visa" from the City Council.

On March 12, 2003, the ACORN-controlled City Council passed a resolution, by a 31-17 margin, condemning the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

In the 2004 election cycle, ACORN and its sister group Project Vote ran a nationwide voter mobilization drive that was marred by allegations of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams. ACORN's get-out-the-vote activists were implicated in schemes that included the falsification and destruction of thousands of voter registration forms, and the registering of convicted felons even in states where felons are ineligible to vote.

In 2006, approximately 20,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri -- virtually all in the St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the "disenfranchised" minorities living there. Similar allegations of ACORN voter fraud were made in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Colorado. Between 2004 and 2006, ACORN employees were accused of submitting fraudulent voter registration cards and forging signatures on ballot initiatives in 12 states.

Syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin writes:

"[In July 2007] ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State. Seven ACORN workers had submitted nearly 2,000 bogus voter registration forms. According to case records, they flipped through phone books for names to use on the forms, including 'Leon Spinks,' 'Frekkie Magoal' and 'Fruto Boy Crispila.' Three ACORN election hoaxers pleaded guilty in October [2007]. A King County prosecutor called ACORN's criminal sabotage 'an act of vandalism upon the voter rolls.'

"The group's vandalism on electoral integrity is systemic. ACORN has been implicated in similar voter fraud schemes in Missouri, Ohio and at least 12 other states. The Wall Street Journal noted: 'In Ohio in 2004, a worker for one affiliate was given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, **** Tracy and Jive Turkey. During a congressional hearing in Ohio in the aftermath of the 2004 election, officials from several counties in the state explained ACORN's practice of dumping thousands of registration forms in their lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms had been collected months earlier.'

"In March [2008], Philadelphia elections officials accused the nonprofit advocacy group of filing fraudulent voter registrations in advance of the April 22nd Pennsylvania primary. The charges [were] forwarded to the city district attorney's office."

ACORN makes a great deal of money from its "community organizing" campaigns, and shows little tolerance for rival leftist groups infringing on its turf. For instance, when ACORN set up shop in San Francisco in May 2002, it discovered that many of its potential recruits - low-income blacks and Hispanics - were networked with the Outer Mission Resident's Association (OMRA). The San Francisco Examiner reports, "ACORN soon began a process of intimidation by busing in activists from Oakland to disrupt OMRA events. ACORN members then began showing up at some neighbors' homes, and in one case jabbed a person in the chest."

Since ACORN is a private corporation, it does not divulge its finances. Further complicating any effort to calculate ACORN's income is the fact that it operates an unknown number of front groups, many of which conceal their relationship to ACORN. But as of March 2006 ACORN claimed 175,000 member families on its website, each contributing at least $120 per year, which amounts to about $21 million in annual membership fees. ACORN's website states, "Membership dues and a host of grassroots and chapter-based fundraising programs pay for 70 to 75 percent of the entire organization's budget."

Since its inception in 1970, ACORN's overriding mission has been to enact "living wage" ordinances at the local, state and - ultimately - federal levels. It has succeeded in getting many such laws passed. ACORN's model legislation contains a clause that exempts unionized businesses from paying the minimum wage. As a result, those companies that stubbornly resist unionizing founder and, in many cases, go bankrupt. Those that unionize thrive, providing an ever-expanding membership base for union recruiting. This is the main reason that unions such as AFSCME and SEIU contribute so generously to ACORN.

Housing activism is another major focus for ACORN, which forms housing collectives in targeted areas. The collective applies pressure on local authorities to place it in charge of renovating and managing abandoned or dilapidated properties for poor tenants. Local authorities provide money for renovation -- much of which ends up in ACORN bank accounts. The poor tenants are compelled to "earn" their new homes by investing "sweat equity" -- that is, working without pay on renovating the properties. ACORN or its designated "housing collective" retains title to the land on which the building stands. If the tenants decide to move out, they are required to sell their property back to ACORN, at cost, no matter what the market value of the property.

In recent years, ACORN has received funding from many foundations, including but not limited to the Annie E. Casey Foundation; the Minneapolis Foundation; the Open Society Institute; the Public Welfare Foundation; the Surdna Foundation; the Woods Fund of Chicago; the Scherman Foundation; and the Ben and Jerry's Foundation.

At the March 2008 "Take Back America" conference sponsored by Campaign for America's Future (CAF), ACORN joined CAF and five additional leftist organizations in announcing plans for "the most expensive [$350 million] mobilization in history this election season." The initiative focused on voter registration, education, and get-out-the-vote drives. Other members of the coalition included MoveOn.org, Rock the Vote, the National Council of La Raza, the Women's Voices Women Vote Action Fund, and the AFL-CIO.

On June 2, 2008, Wade Rathke stepped down from his role as ACORN's chief organizer.

Also in 2008, ACORN publicly acknowledged that Dale Rathke -- the brother of Wade Rathke -- had embezzled nearly $1 million from ACORN and affiliated groups in 1999 and 2000. ACORN further admitted that for eight years its executives had kept this information secret from almost all of their organization's board members and from law-enforcement authorities. Wrote journalist Stephanie Strom in July 2008:

"Dale Rathke remained on Acorn's payroll until a month ago, when disclosure of his theft by foundations and other donors forced the organization to dismiss him. 'We thought it best at the time to protect the organization, as well as to get the funds back into the organization, to deal with it in-house,' said Maude Hurd, president of ACORN. 'It was a judgment call at the time, and looking back, people can agree or disagree with it, but we did what we thought was right.'"

According to Strom, Wade Rathke "said the decision to keep the matter secret was not made to protect his brother but because word of the embezzlement would have put a 'weapon' into the hands of enemies of ACORN, a liberal group that is a frequent target of conservatives who object to its often strident advocacy on behalf of low- and moderate-income families and workers."

In September 2008 the Board of Elections in Cuyahoga County, Ohio accused ACORN's paid workers, who had been tasked with registering as many pro-Democrat voters as possible, of submitting fraudulent voter-registration cards. According to the Board, ACORN workers had commonly turned in separate cards with duplicate names but different addresses or different birth dates. Other cards listed people living at an address that was not a residence.

Also in 2008, there was evidence that ACORN corruption was rampant in Pennsylvania. For example, Philadelphia's City Commissioners voted unanimously to present to the U.S. Attorney hundreds of fraudulent voter-registration forms turned in by the organization. All told, at least 50,663 registrations were rejected, among which were 35,888 duplicates, 689 that were filled out by people too young to vote, some 2,108 with missing signatures, another 5,093 with invalid addresses, and 6,161 not eligible because they were missing a valid HAVA (Help America Vote Act) number. Similarly, ACORN workers submitted hundreds of fraudulent registrations to the Delaware County, Pennsylvania Voter Registration Office.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Attorney's office in Michigan indicated that it might prosecute ACORN for similar voter-registration scams in that state. Registrars there had complained about duplicate registrations and fictitious names. "There appears to be a sizable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications," said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State's office. "And it appears to be widespread."

Since 1990, Steven Kest has been ACORN's national Executive Director, and Maude Hurd has been the organization's President.
 

OrByte

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What, you expect to read about ACORN's systemic transgressions at DemocratUnderground or the DailyKross?

Get real. ACORN is a Democrat Party front and must be defended by those tools at all costs!

I found the following linked page to be an accurate and comprehensive summary for all things ACORN. An excellent compendium of links to a wide variety of source material.

Read it and weep (or, in the specific case of UberNeuman, laugh, brother, laugh.)

ACORN

the first article you linked from Newsmax had one sentence that read:

"Election officials in several states have said that 50 percent of ACORN voter registrations are fictitious."

with no facts in the article to back that up.

Can you find me another Newsmax article that details that claim? Maybe National Review opinion piece perhaps?

I'm interested in that claim. And the first article you linked (http://newsmax.com/Headline/acorn-voter-fraud/2008/10/13/id/325897) does not provide enough detail. Just claims.

Is it a bogus claim?
 

Tristicus

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You're the dishonest one.

ACORN helps democracy. It's a grass roots organization that helps and registers mostely the poor. THey often hire very poor, some homeless, people to do registration work.

They tell the workers to do the right thing. Most do; some of the workers don't and turn in false registrations.

All ACORN is required to by law is hand in all the registration forms and let the registrar sort out the good and the bad, and they have followed the law. Any wrongdoing was by the worker.

But they go beyond the law, and scan the forms for clear false forms, and put those in a separate group to turn in. THey can't just toss them - the law requires turning them in.

THey fully cooperate with the authorities to prosecute people who break the law with false forms.

So ACRON is doing nothing wrong - they are helping democracy.

You on the other hand, whether y ou are motivated by theiur helping the poor or just duped by the attacks of those who mind, are falsely attacking them for their helping the party you disagree with more.

That's scummy behavior.

Baaahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
 

OrByte

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http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Even on that site I don't see any claim that states: "Election officials in several states have said that 50 percent of ACORN voter registrations are fictitious."

I'm gonna have to call shens on PJABBER's propaganda ACORN piece.

However, the 2nd propaganda piece (re: lawsuits in various states) I think that one can be verified, but honestly I don't really give a sh_t to look into it much further.

Only other thing to add is. I don't much care for ACORN, they deserve what they get for bad business practices. But bad business practices is really all that they are getting in trouble for. I don't see ACORN taking over the US anytime soon.