Acer HN274H 27" @120Hz?

[rolodomo]

This thing is at CES, and there is going to be a 27 inch monitor, with an incredible amount of 3d stereo flexibility featuring both Dual-Link DVI support for frame sequential stereo 3D input that 3D Vision uses and HDMI 1.4 for stereo 3D content for consumer devices. This is amazing these aspects, when compared to earlier monitors, and kinda .

Finally! I could use that feature set today. With NVIDIA supporting both dual dvi and hdmi 3d, we are starting to get somewhere with equipment flexibility.

I wonder if lack of 3d hdmi support is the reason the much hyped asus 27" monitor (pg276) never saw retail?

 

[timma]

NV's GPU @ 120Hz won't down to 2D Mhz,just run @ low 3D Mhz

 

[Phile44]

Yes, this Acer monitor is a 120Hz monitor based on NVIDIA's 3D Vision technology. It supports DL-DVI and HDMI 1.4 inputs and is a gorgeous 3D display.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Maybe the reason they didn't stress 120hz is because it's not TRUE 120hz, like TVs.

 

[Jagercola]

Can't wait for estimated pricing and availability. Only reason I'm delaying purchasing a 23.6" 120hz monitor.

 

[rolodomo]

Here's another CES enigma: the Samsung SA950

It also is a 27" 3-D model with HDMI, dual DVI (120Hz), but also "make use of a proprietary 3D technology that is an entirely seperate entity from Nvidia 3D Vision but is specifially designed for PC users."

http://www.pcmonitors.org/news/sams...s-3d-monitors-at-ces-2011-including-27-inches

I think it is a pretty good guess to conclude Samsung is porting over the 2D-3D conversion tech. from its TV products to a computer monitor.

 

[busydude]

I think it is a pretty good guess to conclude Samsung is porting over the 2D-3D conversion tech. from its TV products to a computer monitor.

Its not just samsung, even LG is doing the same. Passive 3D seems to be the rage at CES this year.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-20027948-283.html?tag=mncol;txt

 

[snuuggles]

Yes, this Acer monitor is a 120Hz monitor based on NVIDIA's 3D Vision technology. It supports DL-DVI and HDMI 1.4 inputs and is a gorgeous 3D display.

That is exactly the news I was hoping for! Phile44, how can you know this for certain. I haven't seen any posts that explicitly state that, and I'm dis-inclined to presume that just because they call it "3D Vision" compatible, that means 120hz. Let us know!

Its not just samsung, even LG is doing the same. Passive 3D seems to be the rage at CES this year.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-20027948-283.html?tag=mncol;txt

Yeah, I feel like from what I've read that the Acer at least will support *both* the TV-style frame packing format on HDMI *plus* the 120hz on DVI-D, but I must say that until that is made explicitly clear I remain hopeful but not convinced.

 

[SirPauly]

http://www.pcmonitors.org/news/acer-hn274h-another-27-inch-3d-monitor-coming-our-way

 

[endlessmike133]

120hz is the fucking devil, it's slightly acceptable for games but absolutely horrible for movies and TV.

 

[rolodomo]

http://www.pcmonitors.org/news/acer-hn274h-another-27-inch-3d-monitor-coming-our-way

Interesting article, but too dismissive. For example:

Unlike the 3D monitors unveiled by Samsung, the Acer HN274H offers native support for Nvidia 3D Vision (with a built in IR transmitter) rather than using an enigmatic and lesser-known proprietary technology.

Samsung will probably off-load 2D to 3D conversion to the monitor, just like they do in their TV tech., saving the video card from a significant frame-rate hit.

So what you might have is the Acer, with its native support for proven, but frame-rate intensive 3D Vision (and a built in transmitter) v. Samsung, with its unproven (but drawing experience from their TV line), but frame-rate neutral 3D.

 

[ahurtt]

bump.

I'm honestly very surprised at the general lack of interest I've observed in high-refresh-rate displays. People spend hundreds (thousands!) of dollars a year playing games, and seem complete disinterested in the single most important aspect of that experience *resolving moving images well*.

You know why people aren't interested in them? Cuz the industry is touting them for 3d and most people (well PC gamer type people anyway) could probably give a shit about that. Get back to me when you lose the clunky goggles then maybe we'll talk. They need to be hyping up the improved overall image smoothness factor for every day use as well. Gamers old enough to remember CRT's have lamented their departure for years now...we took a step forward in terms of saving space, less weight, and power consumption with the advent of LCD. But we took a major step back when it came to image quality and performance for real gaming. Color bands? Ghosting? Input lag? My old CRT monitor would be asking, "WTF are those things?" You could use the same CRT for gaming as you used for photo work...none of this 6 bit panel with dithering vs expensive true 8 bit panel crap...With the advent of true 120Hz LCD's we are finally starting to get back to where we used to be. But the industry is touting its benefits for 3d to the mainstream. Us PC gamers are a dying breed...a niche, a microcosm. We aren't profitable enough so we are marginalized by the industry.

Anyway I am starting to sound like this guy: "Back in my day, we didn't have shoes! I had to walk 20 miles uphill in the snow barefoot every day just to get to school! And we LIKED IT!"

 

[ahurtt]

120hz is the fucking devil, it's slightly acceptable for games but absolutely horrible for movies and TV.

Well 120Hz PC monitors and 120Hz TV's are different...not necessarily interchangeable. TV and movies are at constant frame rates so for use as a TV, you don't really need 120Hz unless its for something specific like 3D. For PC gaming though...the world is dynamic...frame rates change from moment to moment sometimes. But if you're using your 120 Hz PC monitor as a TV you might not like what you see because the monitor has different hardware geared toward a different purpose.

 

[SirPauly]

You know why people aren't interested in them? Cuz the industry is touting them for 3d and most people (well PC gamer type people anyway) could probably give a shit about that. Get back to me when you lose the clunky goggles then maybe we'll talk. They need to be hyping up the improved overall image smoothness factor for every day use as well. Gamers old enough to remember CRT's have lamented their departure for years now...we took a step forward in terms of saving space, less weight, and power consumption with the advent of LCD. But we took a major step back when it came to image quality and performance for real gaming. Color bands? Ghosting? Input lag? My old CRT monitor would be asking, "WTF are those things?" You could use the same CRT for gaming as you used for photo work...none of this 6 bit panel with dithering vs expensive true 8 bit panel crap...With the advent of true 120Hz LCD's we are finally starting to get back to where we used to be. But the industry is touting its benefits for 3d to the mainstream. Us PC gamers are a dying breed...a niche, a microcosm. We aren't profitable enough so we are marginalized by the industry.

Anyway I am starting to sound like this guy: "Back in my day, we didn't have shoes! I had to walk 20 miles uphill in the snow barefoot every day just to get to school! And we LIKED IT!"

I am a PC gamer that has a 120hz monitor and appreciate 120hz 2d gaming and 3d stereo gaming. Don't understand why it has to be one against the other.

 

[ahurtt]

I am a PC gamer that has a 120hz monitor and appreciate 120hz 2d gaming and 3d stereo gaming. Don't understand why it has to be one against the other.

Well it doesn't have to be and I didn't mean to make it sound that way. Sorry if I did. I just feel like the industry is putting too much emphasis on ONLY the 3d aspects and not drawing enough attention to the overall benefits you get from 120Hz. They are treating it as if the fact the monitor is 120Hz is just an inconsequential byproduct of the fact the monitor can do 3d when in my opinion, for some people who understand the significance of it, the true 120Hz refresh rate is a noteworthy feature in and of itself...this is what enables a monitor to be 3d ready...I think they've got the emphasis reversed.

 

[snuuggles]

...I think they've got the emphasis reversed.

I really, really agree.

I guess I'm still just a little befuddled that people on *this particular site* would not be talking more about this subject. For god's sake, Anand himself went to engineering school for visual something-or-other, I'm kind of surprised he hasn't written an article on the specific pros/cons of 120hz input.

 

[snuuggles]

FYI, this monitor is being tested over at "3D Vision blog":

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/acer-hn274h/

Right now it's just an unboxing video, but they promise a review soon. Looks like it's actually real - suck it, Asus!

Though *still* no explicit word on if it will take a 120hz non-3d feed and display it. Barg, hopefully in the review...

 

[aigomorla]

120hz monitors will be fwoken pricey...

My advice is to get a 32inch LED 120hz HDTV, and convert that into a monitor.
(should be almost the same price if you get them on sale)

As you probably wont get a 120hz LED Display monitor thats not HDTV.

 

[ahurtt]

FYI, this monitor is being tested over at "3D Vision blog":

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/acer-hn274h/

Right now it's just an unboxing video, but they promise a review soon. Looks like it's actually real - suck it, Asus!

Though *still* no explicit word on if it will take a 120hz non-3d feed and display it. Barg, hopefully in the review...

This is exciting but the few existing 24" 120Hz models that exist out there are already almost at the absolute fringe of how much I'm willing to pay for a PC gaming monitor. I don't imagine a 27" is going to get cheaper.

 

[jackstar7]

120hz monitors will be fwoken pricey...

My advice is to get a 32inch LED 120hz HDTV, and convert that into a monitor.
(should be almost the same price if you get them on sale)

As you probably wont get a 120hz LED Display monitor thats not HDTV.

Except 120Hz televisions don't actually provide 120Hz.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Except 120Hz televisions don't actually provide 120Hz.

I'm pretty sure he meant 240 or 480hz tv whatever they call the 120hz TV's nowadays. Why not use a true 120hz tv as a monitor? Has anyone tried?I use a 60hz LCD tv as my pc monitor and have thought of going to a true 120hz tv and wonder if it's worth it.

 

[jackstar7]

I'm pretty sure he meant 240 or 480hz tv whatever they call the 120hz TV's nowadays. Why not use a true 120hz tv as a monitor? Has anyone tried?I use a 60hz LCD tv as my pc monitor and have thought of going to a true 120hz tv and wonder if it's worth it.

Can you show me the TV that has actual 120Hz? I've been antsy to find one.

All those TVs seem to just be using processing to add extra frames, where the 120Hz monitors are the real deal.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Can you show me the TV that has actual 120Hz? I've been antsy to find one.

All those TVs seem to just be using processing to add extra frames, where the 120Hz monitors are the real deal.

Any 3d tv should do. Afaik it takes a true 120hz to do 3d so the fake 120hz or 240hz even with the extra processing aren't capable of 3d.

 

[jackstar7]

Any 3d tv should do. Afaik it takes a true 120hz to do 3d so the fake 120hz or 240hz even with the extra processing aren't capable of 3d.

I don't think that's true, since movies display at 24fps, and so 3D would only require 48fps (one per eye).

I'm investigating, but I don't think the TVs that claim to be "true" are anything more than marketing.

 

[Erudite21]

You are exactly right Jack. I own a 32" 1080p Sony Bravia and use it as my desktop monitor / bedroom TV. Now, of course I would love to upgrade to a 3D capable display. HOWEVER...what we all need in a TV for this to be possible... (1080p@60fps) ...exceeds the current HDMI 1.4a spec. Great forward thinking by the electronic manufacturers, right? :hmm: This is the same reason why we can't go out and buy 1080p 3D projectors. It's the damn limited bandwidth that doesn't even need to exist in the first place. Our only hope is that TV manufacturers will realize their mistake and start bundling all their 3DTVs with either a DVI-D or a Display Port (or both), so we can forget this whole mess.