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Accident with new car :( *NOW WITH PICS*

Ultima

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Update: (original post below)

Photos are now available here: Image gallery

It's funny.. looking at these photos the damage doesn't look anywhere near as bad as I remember it being. Maybe I was exxagerating due to just having been in an accident, etc.. however I'm sure it's still gonna be expensive as hell to fix. :frown:
Because my groceries had sat in the car for 4-5 days I had to throw everything in the garbage, and now the trunk has to get shampooed. The insurance won't cover that either.. hey, I consider that part of the damages.. no? But I gotta cover it out of my own pocket...


Well, after talking with the insurance, they agree that I couldn't have seen the guy coming and that it wasn't reasonable for me to slam on the brakes when the green light stopped flashing (Imagine if there were no such things as yellow lights.. that the only time you had was 1 second between your light turning red and the other turning green. Well, I only had one second when my light went from flashing green to green and the other went from red to green). This is the same reason that the police did not issue me a citation.

However... even under these circumstances... the insurance basically said that it's up to the city to make the lights safer, and that because I was the one that was turning, I am still at fault. So there's my first at-fault accident on my record.. and a $500 deductible to pay.. and most likely much higher rates 🙁



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I got in an accident today with my new Mazda Protege that I only had for 2 months 🙁
The police came and said that there was nobody at fault, but they didn't write a report or anything, and I'm wondering what the insurance is going to think. At 21 an at-fault accident is going to be costly 🙁

Here's what happened:

I was driving north on a boulevard with 3 lanes on each side, and I was approaching an intersection with a flashing green light. I moved into the left turn lane to make a left turn. On the other side of the intersection were cars waiting in the left and middle lanes, but nobody in the right lane. The green light stopped flashing but I was still coming in and would nearly have to slam on the brakes to stop. The cars on the other side of the intersection were still stopped so I began turning left.

I was nearly through the intersection when this van came sailing through the right lane and hit the back passenger side door of my car. I spun around off the side of the intersection. The driver says the light turned green as he moved into the right lane so he kept on driving. He didn't see me because of the cars that were stopped, and I didn't see him because of the same reasons. Damage to my car looks around $3000 - $4000, with the door pushed in nearly a foot, and the rear panel pushed in as well as damage to the trunk 🙁

Now, we called the police and we explained to them what happened, and they told us that there was no fault because there was no way I could have seen him, and he had a green light and didn't see me either. However.. I'm worried about my insurance, because they were like "oh, you didn't yield when making a left turn", when from my vantage point the traffic was stopped and I was in the clear. What do you guys think? Insurance is already high enough for me as it is.. this would be my first at-fault accident if the insurance ends up determining it that way 🙁

edit:

Not the best pic, but in this pic you can see the light I'm talking about up ahead. I was coming from the curve and driving toward the camera, trying to turn left at that light. The van was driving in the right lane toward the curve, with cars stopped in the middle and left lanes. As you can see there are parked cars in the right lane.
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when making a left turn u need to make SURE that no traffic is coming..

if you cant see it, then u shouldnt make the turn

IMO it is ur fault

EDIT: sad to hear that man. 🙁 and on thanksgiving day too!! 🙁🙁
 
had a similar thing happen to me....proceded cause it looked clear then a guy slammed into me...
yet in my state that would be a "failure to yield" on my part...and im sure most companies would look at it the same way...but since your not charged with it its more likely that once giving ur story to them that there really not gunna push it up as bad as if u were chraged with it...cause theres no third impartial party (cops) saying what they think happend...so all they got is ur word vs his...
no body got hurt right? well i guess not too bad on ur part if ur posting here...thats the good thing to look at...
 
Your fault.

If the van was sailing through the intersection, he probably had a green light. You're supposed to be yielding. So if he hit you, your fault.

Prepare to take it up the a$$
 
From reading it, sound like it was your fault. Looks like you tried to pull a last second turn, the other light became green, and the van went through the green light, and nailed your car.

Usually in most cases, the person turning is at fault rather than the person driving straight.
 
that sucks bro.

In situations like that, it's important to not hesitate with your decision. I have a feeling that you slammed on your breaks, pondered it, decided you could still make it and it'd be tough to stop in time, so you went for it.

If you have to think about it you may as well just stop, safer for you and you won't get the red light ticket. Even if the light you went through was red, theres 96% of the time a pretty solid second or 2 delay in the light, and it's not like the guy in the van was flooring it, he was probably coasting then saw the green light.

Long story short, I think you're at fault, and it sucks, Hope your premiums don't go up too much 🙁

In the future if you're gonna make a move like that, turning accross traffic on a yellow/red light, do so extremely cautiously or as fast as you possibly can. You put yourself in a dangerous situation that driving normally may not necessarily get you out of, and you caught the ass end.

Good luck with insurance.
 
I think you are screwed. Even though the van was probably in the middle lane and darted around to beat the light/traffic, you had to wait for traffic to be clear to go. So, you gambled and lost. At least you (and they) are OK.
 
Originally posted by: SammyBoy
that sucks bro.

In situations like that, it's important to not hesitate with your decision. I have a feeling that you slammed on your breaks, pondered it, decided you could still make it and it'd be tough to stop in time, so you went for it.

If you have to think about it you may as well just stop, safer for you and you won't get the red light ticket. Even if the light you went through was red, theres 96% of the time a pretty solid second or 2 delay in the light, and it's not like the guy in the van was flooring it, he was probably coasting then saw the green light.

Long story short, I think you're at fault, and it sucks, Hope your premiums don't go up too much 🙁

In the future if you're gonna make a move like that, turning accross traffic on a yellow/red light, do so extremely cautiously or as fast as you possibly can. You put yourself in a dangerous situation that driving normally may not necessarily get you out of, and you caught the ass end.

Good luck with insurance.

no, my light didn't turn yellow red. It changed from flashing green to green when I was about 3-5 seconds from turning. The other cars were stopped so I went for it... guess I learned the hard way 🙁

 
Your insurance rate is going to go up. It doesn't matter how you try to sugarcoat it. You were ultimately at fault for not yielding the right of way. Suck it up and pay. Next time you might stop instead of trying to beat the light/traffic.

Joo lose, loser.
 
The worst part is it had to be a damn full-size van that hit me.. like with my first accident (which was not my fault). If only it had been a Swift or something like that.. on the other hand at least it wasn't a semi. I might not be here to talk about it...
 
Couple of items for you to ponder.

1) Around here it is illegal to change lanes within 100 ft of an intersection. Of course it is also illegal to turn left in front of oncoming traffic.

2) Most insurance companies determine fault by deciding "who had the last chance to avoid a collision" For instance, if someone turned left in front of you, but you had plenty of time to stop and avoid a collision....but didnt stop.... thinking you wanted a new paint job and an insurance settlement, many compaines would find you at fault.

3) The police may have decided that with 2 vehicles doing illegal maneuvers that no fault was determinable. That both parties were equally at fault thus no blame, or traffic citations being handed out.

What will probably happen is that your insurance company will sue his for damages, and his will sue yours for damages. Both comanies will deny the others claim, and each company will end up paying for their own clients damages......just a guess.
 
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: SammyBoy
that sucks bro.

In situations like that, it's important to not hesitate with your decision. I have a feeling that you slammed on your breaks, pondered it, decided you could still make it and it'd be tough to stop in time, so you went for it.

If you have to think about it you may as well just stop, safer for you and you won't get the red light ticket. Even if the light you went through was red, theres 96% of the time a pretty solid second or 2 delay in the light, and it's not like the guy in the van was flooring it, he was probably coasting then saw the green light.

Long story short, I think you're at fault, and it sucks, Hope your premiums don't go up too much 🙁

In the future if you're gonna make a move like that, turning accross traffic on a yellow/red light, do so extremely cautiously or as fast as you possibly can. You put yourself in a dangerous situation that driving normally may not necessarily get you out of, and you caught the ass end.

Good luck with insurance.

no, my light didn't turn yellow red. It changed from flashing green to green when I was about 3-5 seconds from turning. The other cars were stopped so I went for it... guess I learned the hard way 🙁

What's a flashing green light? I don't think I've ever seen any of those before.
 
I agree with Sluggo. It's illegal to change lanes withing 100 ft of an intersection.

You might get lucky. Of course you shouldn't have made the turn but things happen. I am sorry man, I hope it doesn't cost you much 🙁
 
Originally posted by: HonkeyDonk
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: SammyBoy
that sucks bro.

In situations like that, it's important to not hesitate with your decision. I have a feeling that you slammed on your breaks, pondered it, decided you could still make it and it'd be tough to stop in time, so you went for it.

If you have to think about it you may as well just stop, safer for you and you won't get the red light ticket. Even if the light you went through was red, theres 96% of the time a pretty solid second or 2 delay in the light, and it's not like the guy in the van was flooring it, he was probably coasting then saw the green light.

Long story short, I think you're at fault, and it sucks, Hope your premiums don't go up too much 🙁

In the future if you're gonna make a move like that, turning accross traffic on a yellow/red light, do so extremely cautiously or as fast as you possibly can. You put yourself in a dangerous situation that driving normally may not necessarily get you out of, and you caught the ass end.

Good luck with insurance.

no, my light didn't turn yellow red. It changed from flashing green to green when I was about 3-5 seconds from turning. The other cars were stopped so I went for it... guess I learned the hard way 🙁

What's a flashing green light? I don't think I've ever seen any of those before.


It's an advance green, so that traffic coming in one direction gets a chance to make left hand turns. Some locations use flashing greens instead of a green arrow.

 
Holy sh!t chief... you are NOT lucky! Hopefully you'll learn to avoid econoline-like trucks from now on 😉

BTW, what insurance company are you with? Are you with National as well? What was your current rate? if it's not determined as your fault you might get lucky. Talk to them about it.
 
Originally posted by: Bootprint
Originally posted by: HonkeyDonk
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: SammyBoy
that sucks bro.

In situations like that, it's important to not hesitate with your decision. I have a feeling that you slammed on your breaks, pondered it, decided you could still make it and it'd be tough to stop in time, so you went for it.

If you have to think about it you may as well just stop, safer for you and you won't get the red light ticket. Even if the light you went through was red, theres 96% of the time a pretty solid second or 2 delay in the light, and it's not like the guy in the van was flooring it, he was probably coasting then saw the green light.

Long story short, I think you're at fault, and it sucks, Hope your premiums don't go up too much 🙁

In the future if you're gonna make a move like that, turning accross traffic on a yellow/red light, do so extremely cautiously or as fast as you possibly can. You put yourself in a dangerous situation that driving normally may not necessarily get you out of, and you caught the ass end.

Good luck with insurance.


Really....huh, interesting. That's really weird haha, what part of the US has these lights?
no, my light didn't turn yellow red. It changed from flashing green to green when I was about 3-5 seconds from turning. The other cars were stopped so I went for it... guess I learned the hard way 🙁

What's a flashing green light? I don't think I've ever seen any of those before.


It's an advance green, so that traffic coming in one direction gets a chance to make left hand turns. Some locations use flashing greens instead of a green arrow.

 
i say his fault.

in CA driver's handbook you're only supposed to go on green if it's safe to do so.

of course, i read that 7 years ago so you might wanna read that yourself
 
Originally posted by: Bootprint
It's an advance green, so that traffic coming in one direction gets a chance to make left hand turns. Some locations use flashing greens instead of a green arrow.
Do you know if that is a Canada only thing?
I've been driving in the US for a long time, and I have never seen it.

 
Originally posted by: Xiety
I agree with Sluggo. It's illegal to change lanes withing 100 ft of an intersection.

You might get lucky. Of course you shouldn't have made the turn but things happen. I am sorry man, I hope it doesn't cost you much 🙁

I didn't change lanes unless you mean moving from the left lane into the left turn lane.. but then where was I supposed to do that? Over the grass median? 😉 In hind sight I shouldn't have made the turn.. but sh!t happens 🙁
 
Originally posted by: zCypher
Holy sh!t chief... you are NOT lucky! Hopefully you'll learn to avoid econoline-like trucks from now on 😉

BTW, what insurance company are you with? Are you with National as well? What was your current rate? if it's not determined as your fault you might get lucky. Talk to them about it.

It was practically the exact same type of van.. and again his van had barely a scratch on it. At least the driver this time around wasn't an as!hole like the first accident with the guy that offered me $200 for creaming the back part of my car.. this guy was actually pretty nice about the whole situation. Anyways.. I'm going to take it real easy on the roads from now on. I haven't had any trouble with cops or tickets lately but the econoline came back to haunt me 🙁


 
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: Xiety
I agree with Sluggo. It's illegal to change lanes withing 100 ft of an intersection.

You might get lucky. Of course you shouldn't have made the turn but things happen. I am sorry man, I hope it doesn't cost you much 🙁

I didn't change lanes unless you mean moving from the left lane into the left turn lane.. but then where was I supposed to do that? Over the grass median? 😉 In hind sight I shouldn't have made the turn.. but sh!t happens 🙁

He meant the van changing into the right lane. It'd be hard to prove he did within 100' of the intersection though.
 
Originally posted by: Cyberian
Originally posted by: Bootprint
It's an advance green, so that traffic coming in one direction gets a chance to make left hand turns. Some locations use flashing greens instead of a green arrow.
Do you know if that is a Canada only thing?
I've been driving in the US for a long time, and I have never seen it.

Could be I don't know, we get a mix of sometimes flashing green, sometimes green arrows are used. I'm not sure of the rules or if it's partly costs.


What I find strange is in Manitoba, especially Winnipeg, you can have a light that has a lit red at the top and at the bottom a green up arrow.

So the light can look like this

Red (on)
yellow (off)
green (off)
up arrow (on)

 
Originally posted by: Imported
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: Xiety
I agree with Sluggo. It's illegal to change lanes withing 100 ft of an intersection.

You might get lucky. Of course you shouldn't have made the turn but things happen. I am sorry man, I hope it doesn't cost you much 🙁

I didn't change lanes unless you mean moving from the left lane into the left turn lane.. but then where was I supposed to do that? Over the grass median? 😉 In hind sight I shouldn't have made the turn.. but sh!t happens 🙁

He meant the van changing into the right lane. It'd be hard to prove he did within 100' of the intersection though.

Forgive me.. I'm tired and a bit stressed out 😉

In that case.. he probably did change lanes within the 100 feet.. but I never knew there was a specific rule to it or if there is one here. It's actually weird because about 100 feet past my intersection there's ANOTHER intersection, which doesn't have a light, so if he did change lanes he might have been in the next intersection. In any case...
I have a feeling that accidents happen a lot at that intersection.. just in the 30 mins waiting for the police to arrive I heard a few cars slamming on the brakes and locking up their tires..
Man, when all this is said and done if I can still afford to drive a car I'm going to take it real easy until at least I'm out of college and can afford to pay for mistakes like this... 🙁
 
Not the best pic, but in this pic you can see the light I'm talking about up ahead. I was coming from the curve and driving toward the camera, trying to turn left at that light. The van was driving in the right lane toward the curve, with cars stopped in the middle and left lanes. As you can see there are parked cars in the right lane.


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