Accelerating Faster in Manual?

[DivideBYZero]

Two things:
Lol @ goldish 4 door granny car rice burner.

I had an Avalon as a rental back at Xmas 06-7 and I have to say the fucker didn't hang about. It had quite a bit more grunt that I was expecting from a mid-size barge. Certainly knocks the Impala out of the water, it's intended victim, very easily in all ways, SS excepted power wise, but I could only imagine how crap that would be, seeing as the car it's based on is four wheeled fail. :awe:

 

[Possessed Freak]

Real men shift without the clutch. Learn the art of rev-matching and impress your passenger even while driving a POS Saturn.

 

[ayabe]

Real men shift without the clutch. Learn the art of rev-matching and impress your passenger even while driving a POS Saturn.

Sure and you can replace your synchros every few thousand miles as well, well worth it for your v-peen.

 

[Throckmorton]

It's only been a week. Keep practicing and try not to slip the clutch so much.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Sure and you can replace your synchros every few thousand miles as well, well worth it for your v-peen.

Damn, I guess the last 30k miles has been a fluke huh? Must be because the transmission is brand new at 200k miles. Oh.

 

[fenrir]

Real men shift without the clutch. Learn the art of rev-matching and impress your passenger even while driving a POS Saturn.

Quite an amazing feat from a dead stop as that is what the OP was talking about.

 

[TehMac]

Real men shift without the clutch. Learn the art of rev-matching and impress your passenger even while driving a POS Saturn.

Uhh...what? You don't disengage at all, but just jerk the stick around?

What the fuck are you rich?


I'm impressed but doesn't that also damage other parts of your drive train?

 

[Possessed Freak]

Quite an amazing feat from a dead stop as that is what the OP was talking about.

Eh, from a dead stop I can let the clutch out and the car begins to roll. No need for accelerator. Then as she begins to roll I can accelerate and shift without the clutch.

Uhh...what? You don't disengage at all, but just jerk the stick around?

What the fuck are you rich?


I'm impressed but doesn't that also damage other parts of your drive train?

No jerking required. If I need to shift up, then I lightly goose the throttle which allows me to pull the stick into neutral. As the revs decrease I push it into the next gear. No slamming, no grinding, no jerking. If I need to downshift, then again I lightly goose the throttle, take the car out of gear, rev up and put the car into gear.

 

[kornphlake]

Eh, from a dead stop I can let the clutch out and the car begins to roll. No need for accelerator. Then as she begins to roll I can accelerate and shift without the clutch.




No jerking required. If I need to shift up, then I lightly goose the throttle which allows me to pull the stick into neutral. As the revs decrease I push it into the next gear. No slamming, no grinding, no jerking. If I need to downshift, then again I lightly goose the throttle, take the car out of gear, rev up and put the car into gear.

My Saturn with similar miles is just as easy to shift w/o the clutch once moving. I usually do use the clutch unless I'm in freeway traffic that is constantly changing from crawling to 30mph, I get lazy and rev match instead of having to move my left foot. When done right it's silky smooth, there's no driveline shock at all, just the movement of the stick gliding into gear. I've done it enough that I don't really think about it anymore, it just happens, I'd guess I've made 20% of my shifts without using the clutch in the last 2-3 years or about 30k miles. Eh, if the synchros go I'll just double clutch or rebuild the tranny, if the synchros don't destroy the transmission, the diff pin will.

To keep from getting too off topic, shifting without the clutch won't help you accelerate harder, learning how far to let the clutch out before stomping the accelerator will. It's all muscle memory, you've got to practice and after a while it will just happen without even thinking about it. Generally you want to slip the clutch as little as possible, it should either be engaged or disengaged and transitioning for only a short time to buffer the differences in shaft RPMs.

 

[BlackTigers]

Uhh...what? You don't disengage at all, but just jerk the stick around?

What the fuck are you rich?


I'm impressed but doesn't that also damage other parts of your drive train?

its not hard to do, and you dont jerk the stick at all. it can move smoothly if you rev match perfectly.

its jsut rough on your synchros, if you miss by like 25rpm. just laziness.

 

[Scionix]

I can smell your burnt out clutch from here :-D

Just keep practicing, you'll get it. Key is to use clutch + gas at the same time. When you get good, it will feel like an automatic to a passenger.

I just wanted to say, I test drove a mazda 3 and mazda 6 .... my impressions were : gutless, and horrible handling, and plasticy interior, but who cares as long as you like it 😉

Hey, let's not get hasty, I've never held the clutch so long as to smell it after ANY driving session, but yes, I'm trying to let it go a little faster. Also, I may be biased as I was driving a 1998 Toyota Avalon from 16-18, but this car handles amazingly and takes corners very nicely. The only complaint I would have is that when turning really sharply, the feedback to your hands from the wheel is a tad numb, but the handling itself is superb. The interior is also a strong suit of the car, you must be pretty picky 😀 I looked at reviews of the car before I even test drove it, and kellybluebook, carinsider, etc all seem to agree with me, but again, I was driving a 1998 Avalon beforehand, so...

Dunno what else you'd want for less than 20k, though.

Also, for anyone wondering, it's the stock sSport model, so it has a 2.5l engine to the 2l, and a 6-speed compared to the 5-speed iSport models.

EDIT: Also, it's not the mazda SPEED 3, just the Mazda3. Two different cars.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Eh, from a dead stop I can let the clutch out and the car begins to roll. No need for accelerator. Then as she begins to roll I can accelerate and shift without the clutch.




No jerking required. If I need to shift up, then I lightly goose the throttle which allows me to pull the stick into neutral. As the revs decrease I push it into the next gear. No slamming, no grinding, no jerking. If I need to downshift, then again I lightly goose the throttle, take the car out of gear, rev up and put the car into gear.

That's great, but it's pointless, and you're only posting it to sound like some kind of manual transmission hero.

 

[lurk3r]

One thing that may help on hills is to start with the parking brake instead of the regular one. That's how they actually train you to drive in England, it doesn't work for me, I'd rather heel-toe it, but its worth a shot.

Uhh...what? You don't disengage at all, but just jerk the stick around?

What the fuck are you rich?


I'm impressed but doesn't that also damage other parts of your drive train?

My vette actually shifts better (smoother) without the clutch than with (63 vette with a M22 tranny), it makes a very satisfying click. The Altima does not like skipping the clutch at all, it does depend alot on the car.

 

[amdhunter]

I can smell your burnt out clutch from here :-D

Just keep practicing, you'll get it. Key is to use clutch + gas at the same time. When you get good, it will feel like an automatic to a passenger.

I just wanted to say, I test drove a mazda 3 and mazda 6 .... my impressions were : gutless, and horrible handling, and plasticy interior, but who cares as long as you like it 😉

I drove an auto Mazda6, I liked it a lot. It had a nice pull to it and I fell in love with the tachometers and dash. I would love to give a speed6 a run.

Also, the new Mazda3 sedan with the R3 trim is sick.

 

[Scionix]

One thing that may help on hills is to start with the parking brake instead of the regular one. That's how they actually train you to drive in England, it doesn't work for me, I'd rather heel-toe it, but its worth a shot.


My vette actually shifts better (smoother) without the clutch than with (63 vette with a M22 tranny), it makes a very satisfying click. The Altima does not like skipping the clutch at all, it does depend alot on the car.

I learned like this as well (having to start up hills with the Ebrake and normally), and using the Ebrake was easier 90% of the time. However, the Mazda3's Ebrake is horrible for this, and the gas pedal is sensitive enough I just do it manually. I haven't had any trouble so far.

 

[hanoverphist]

One thing that may help on hills is to start with the parking brake instead of the regular one. That's how they actually train you to drive in England, it doesn't work for me, I'd rather heel-toe it, but its worth a shot.

i stopped trying to heall toe in my truck, the pedals are much farther away than they were in my old datsun. i let out the clutch to friction, then let the brake go and get on the gas. i havent rolled backwards at all yet, hehe. im sure its bad for the clutch, but oh well. it works. as for fast take offs, when its off the line my truck does a great job at lurching from about 1500 rpm. just gotta get the timing right on when to get the clutch out, that part came with practice. usually when i punch it im already creeping and have the clutch fully out, so its just a stab on the gas thing. thats fun to do on the freeway in rush hour, cars always think im the slow one and try to cut me off if the car in front of me changes lanes. most of the time i let people in, but sometimes ill punch it and take up the space before they can get their blinker on. i sometimes get flipped off for this.