ACA Death Panels

[Newell Steamer]

..notices Liberal Shill is OP.
..concludes total BS..
/thread.

 

[Fern]

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Another example of the conservative brain defect in effect - ACA Death Panel 'exist'.

"Death panels" have always existed. (I find the term needlessly dramatic, but whatever.) During the Obamacare debate we had numerous stories of how meany HI companies wouldn't authorize treatment for some poor soul or another. This was touted as a reason to go to Obamacare.

Gruber, the architect of Obamacare, has made it clear that the intention is to move more strongly to such panels as that is how costs will be contained.

(I'm pretty sure I started a thread about this and copies of Gruber's speeches were linked.)

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

"Death panels" have always existed. (I find the term needlessly dramatic, but whatever.) During the Obamacare debate we had numerous stories of how meany HI companies wouldn't authorize treatment for some poor soul or another. This was touted as a reason to go to Obamacare.

Gruber, the architect of Obamacare, has made it clear that the intention is to move more strongly to such panels as that is how costs will be contained.

(I'm pretty sure I started a thread about this and copies of Gruber's speeches were linked.)

Fern

I'm not aware of anyone making the argument that the private sector equivalent of IPAB was a reason to go forward with the ACA. Can you show me any links to this?

Regardless, things like the IPAB are things everyone should support. It's just a common sense thing to have.

 

[cbrunny]

..notices Liberal Shill is OP.
..concludes total BS..
/thread.

Shill or not, op is correct

 

[MrColin]

Its a shame that there aren't any death panels. That would have been the perfect job for me.

 

[Jhhnn]

"Death panels" have always existed. (I find the term needlessly dramatic, but whatever.) During the Obamacare debate we had numerous stories of how meany HI companies wouldn't authorize treatment for some poor soul or another. This was touted as a reason to go to Obamacare.

Gruber, the architect of Obamacare, has made it clear that the intention is to move more strongly to such panels as that is how costs will be contained.

(I'm pretty sure I started a thread about this and copies of Gruber's speeches were linked.)

Fern

Well, yeh, but this is ebil big gubmint death panels, not the cute money grubbing corporatist death panels of the past. If what I've seen of Medicare holds, I'd rather take my chances with the Govt.

Gotta love the elliptical allusion to what Gruber may or may not have said about panels of any kind (no quote) rather than to the law itself.

Which just means you're trying to spread the FUD.

 

[shira]

It's not just one unhinged Maverick.

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8273007/obamacare-poll-death-panels

Another example of the conservative brain defect in effect - ACA Death Panel 'exist'.

Republicans are also VERY likely to be totally opposed to the ACA, but are very happy with the healthcare plan that they signed up for on healthcare.gov.