ACA (a.k.a. Obamacare) Upheld

[Carmen813]

Are you sure you don't mean you don't WANT a free market for necessities? That is different from CAN'T HAVE. What is your definition of a necessity? We have a free market for housing and food and it works out. If you're saying the US doesn't qualify as a free market for housing and food then you're not really saying anything of importance.



That is over a year old now and doesn't address all my points. Health care costs are a big issue and that hasn't been addressed by it at all. According to your own link, premiums rose faster in MA than the country overall. It's also now a state budget issue if they're considering price controls.

Err...not sure what the topic is, but that article specifically says that the MA law did not implement cost control programs while ACA did, and that over costs are in line with what was expected.

 

[lopri]

Here you go. It's actually from 2009.

Thank you. Bookmark'ed.

 

[shadow9d9]

I don't belive Joe and ten of million like him care much about debt and bankruptcy problems. If they care, then they would not spend as much and worry only about "minimum monthly payment".

Anyway, I still don't see how the ACA would solve the cost issue of health care. We, as a nation, are getting fatter (1 in 3 are overweight/obsese) and older (ten of millions of baby boomers are about to retire), prime candidate for even more expensive care (stroke, blood pressure, heart diease, join and hip problems, and on and on).

Obesity here is not far off from other countries that pay half what we do. Stop repeating debunked talking points.

 

[michal1980]

Thank you. Bookmark'ed.

Was Romney President of the USA when this passed? Was he senator? Or a representative?

No. He had zero to do with passing this federal law.

It was King Obama & the liberal socialists democrats that came out and said this wasn't a tax, just flat out lied. Then forced it down our throats.

Years from now, when the countries debt is exploding more over this, I predicate typical democrat ads, showing republicans 'killing' people because they are trying to limit the cost of the program.

And all the democrats will do is, say, raise taxes. Because thats they lefts way, create unfunded programs, then cry about taxes being too low, to pay off the votes they bought.

 

[shadow9d9]

I would care no matter who is in charge.

SS & Medicare are failing. One is far worse then the other. Neither is being corrected. Both were created using the same logic as obama care. That is, there was little logic, and alot of emition. All three were sold to america with claims they would pay for themselves, and not bankrupt us.

Yet we already know that 2 out of the 3 feel good liberal programs are going to be a huge, and ever growing drain on the budget, and one is exploding. So what does your side do? They create a thrid program, hide the inital costs of it, because they know it will be terrible for the country as a whole, and the ram it down our throats.

But heck, who cares about the country, as long as irresponsible people get their wellfare its all ok in the liberal world.

"Ram it down our throats" talking point parroted! Gj!

 

[michal1980]

"Ram it down our throats" talking point parroted! Gj!

Since thats the only fault you found with my post. Thanks for agreeing with everything else.

 

[cybrsage]

Since dems love to say Obama and the dems in Congress copied Romney's plan, that means they also have to say Romney is far smarter than Obama and comes up with awesome plans. They should vote for him.

 

[piasabird]

Happy Obama-Tax. I will never call it health Care again. It is a Tax and the Supreme Court has spoken. If Your State likes this Tax they have to increase your taxes to pay for the State Exchange at about 400 million or so. How a tax works is the working slobs have to pay the tax. So welcome to increased taxes to pay for the Obama-Tax!

 

[sportage]

Who cares if its called a tax or a duck or a snowman. People can no longer fudge responsibility for their own healthcare. Distraction is a kind of soda. Healthcare is a fundamental part of life. If society must have McDonalds, fast cars, and guns then we must have healthcare. Like it or nay.
Welcome to life outside the bubble....

 

[piasabird]

Its a tax and you are gonna pay it!

There is not enough money in the world to pay for O'Bama-TAX!

 

[sportage]

Gladly
I dont freeload....

 

[highland145]

Gladly
I dont freeload....

Out of curiosity, do you have employer paid health care? Asking because it looks cheaper for the employer to pay the fine and cut the insurance. If that's the case, what would your cost be?

FWIW, I'm already paying a boatload for poor coverage.

 

[michal1980]

Who cares if its called a tax or a duck or a snowman. People can no longer fudge responsibility for their own healthcare. Distraction is a kind of soda. Healthcare is a fundamental part of life. If society must have McDonalds, fast cars, and guns then we must have healthcare. Like it or nay.
Welcome to life outside the bubble....

The only reason people can currently fudge responsibility is because of government liberals.

Government took away responsibility from people by making it easy to get care and not pay for it. So whats governments solution to the problem? Increase taxes to pay for the care. The irresponsible will still be irresponsible, its just that the responsible will be paying even more.

PS Obamacare isn't a responsibility bill, its a tax and spend welfare bill, that fixes zero of the responsibility problem, and just masks it.

 

[yllus]

Americans seem to have a weird disconnect between the status quo of hospitals being required to treat all incoming patients and this mandatory insurance (or tax). Isn't it obvious that you're already paying for this?

 

[Nintendesert]

Americans seem to have a weird disconnect between the status quo of hospitals being required to treat all incoming patients and this mandatory insurance (or tax). Isn't it obvious that you're already paying for this?

That's what I told my brother, people are already doing the walk into emergency rooms for routine shit in order to get treated for free since they can't turn anyone away. We all pay for that crap. So any measures to force more people into paying up for what they use is great to me.

I just haven't seen what the downside to all this is and maybe someone can show me barneystyle.

 

[fskimospy]

Happy Obama-Tax. I will never call it health Care again. It is a Tax and the Supreme Court has spoken. If Your State likes this Tax they have to increase your taxes to pay for the State Exchange at about 400 million or so. How a tax works is the working slobs have to pay the tax. So welcome to increased taxes to pay for the Obama-Tax!

Glad to see you've gotten on board with the new right wing lines on this so quickly!

 

[dank69]

Its a tax and you are gonna pay it!

There is not enough money in the world to pay for O'Bama-TAX!

I don't have to pay the tax. I have insurance. Why don't you have insurance? Why don't you think you need insurance?

 

[dank69]

That's what I told my brother, people are already doing the walk into emergency rooms for routine shit in order to get treated for free since they can't turn anyone away. We all pay for that crap. So any measures to force more people into paying up for what they use is great to me.

I just haven't seen what the downside to all this is and maybe someone can show me barneystyle.

The downside is that evil liberals enacted it led by a Kenyan Muslim.

 

[Atreus21]

I don't have to pay the tax. I have insurance. Why don't you have insurance? Why don't you think you need insurance?

Why is that any of your business?

 

[woolfe9999]

I would care no matter who is in charge.

SS & Medicare are failing. One is far worse then the other. Neither is being corrected. Both were created using the same logic as obama care. That is, there was little logic, and alot of emition. All three were sold to america with claims they would pay for themselves, and not bankrupt us.

Yet we already know that 2 out of the 3 feel good liberal programs are going to be a huge, and ever growing drain on the budget, and one is exploding. So what does your side do? They create a thrid program, hide the inital costs of it, because they know it will be terrible for the country as a whole, and the ram it down our throats.

But heck, who cares about the country, as long as irresponsible people get their wellfare its all ok in the liberal world.

Medicare has become fiscally unsustainable not because the program is poorly designed or poorly run, but because health care costs have been rising. You can't really "fix" it without addressing the underlying problem.

 

[Incorruptible]

I'm not sure you understand what it is either. However, there is no real consensus on what it is. But let's see what the wiki says:



Sounds like Somalia to me.



With regard to the first part of your statement, the supreme court just said otherwise. As for the second part, assuming you're paying for your own health insurance then you're already paying for other people's healthcare. If you have an income, you're already paying for other people's healthcare.

So you don't want to pay for other people's healthcare, then what country are you going to move to where this does not happen? Have fun in Somalia.

Libertarianism is not no government, there is small government. Somolia is run by radical islamists, why would I go there?

I love the fear-mongering and hysteria from you leftys

 

[ichy]

Ok, here's a serious question for all the ACA-haters. How is the tax penalty for those who don't buy insurance any more coercive then the child tax credit or the mortgage interest tax deduction?

 

[nehalem256]

Ok, here's a serious question for all the ACA-haters. How is the tax penalty for those who don't buy insurance any more coercive then the child tax credit or the mortgage interest tax deduction?

Imagine the government started levying a special tax on people who did not have children.

See how that is different?

 

[jackstar7]

Why is that any of your business?

I believe the argument is that your health and habits can very much wind up costing your fellow citizens...

 

[ichy]

Imagine the government started levying a special tax on people who did not have children.

See how that is different?

No, it's not different. The child tax credit still means that those of us who don't have kids pay higher taxes. Same with the mortgage interest tax deduction and houses, except that as public policy that's even dumber and more screwed up.