ACA (a.k.a. Obamacare) Upheld

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QvZvNSKrOZ4

Mitch McConnel refuses to answer how he would deal with 30 million uninsured after he repeals Obamacare.

I'll tell you his answer that he won't voice. If you can't afford health insurance coverage now... you don't make enough money for him to really give a flying fuck about. That's it. End. of. Story.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QvZvNSKrOZ4

Mitch McConnel refuses to answer how he would deal with 30 million uninsured after he repeals Obamacare.

Sure he does. The condensed version- "I got mine. Screw you." He gently strokes the erroneous zones of his well indoctrinated flock in doing so. Ooooh! Aaaah! Some of them, I'm sure, are fairly thumping their hind leg on the floor with that glassy far away look in their eyes...

Ol' Mitch finds their sweet spot every time...

 

[michal1980]

Sure he does. The condensed version- "I got mine. Screw you." He gently strokes the erroneous zones of his well indoctrinated flock in doing so. Ooooh! Aaaah! Some of them, I'm sure, are fairly thumping their hind leg on the floor with that glassy far away look in their eyes...

Ol' Mitch finds their sweet spot every time...

where as you plan will not only destory health care for millions, it will also explode there costs.

 

[manimal]

where as you plan will not only destory health care for millions, it will also explode there costs.

Can you rephrase that so we can try to understand you?

 

[Jhhnn]

where as you plan will not only destory health care for millions, it will also explode there costs.

Can you rephrase that so we can try to understand you?

He doesn't understand it himself- he's just repeating what Rush & Hannity said... He just finds it to be emotionally satisfying, repeating it to be a way of identifying himself to the collective... He belongs, in ways he can't even imagine.

 

[Infohawk]

Can you rephrase that so we can try to understand you?

He's probably saying that you have to compare the cost of 30 million unemployed people with the potential cost explosions for everyone else.

 

[manimal]

He's probably saying that you have to compare the cost of 30 million unemployed people with the potential cost explosions for everyone else.

Time will only tell. Those 30 million people will need medical care sometime
Wether we give them health care or not. Were already
Paying for the free er visits so we may as well do it responsibly.

 

[nehalem256]

Sure he does. The condensed version- "I got mine. Screw you." He gently strokes the erroneous zones of his well indoctrinated flock in doing so. Ooooh! Aaaah! Some of them, I'm sure, are fairly thumping their hind leg on the floor with that glassy far away look in their eyes...

Ol' Mitch finds their sweet spot every time...

As opposed to the Democrat version. "I demand you give 'mine', screw you".

Because demanding that other people provide for you is the epitome of selflessness

 

[Jhhnn]

As opposed to the Democrat version. "I demand you give 'mine', screw you".

Because demanding that other people provide for you is the epitome of selflessness

Standard faith based strawman. Democrats are taxpayers, too, or is that concept too inconvenient, too much at odds with your faith based ideology of greed to be worthy of consideration?

The money spent on failed Neocon adventurism in Iraq & Afghanistan would have financed Obamacare for a very long time. The price of Obamacare is a drop in the bucket compared to military spending & to the lost revenue of taxcuts for the rich, who didn't need a taxcut in the first place.

The problem with Righties is that they believe their own bullshit, believe that being mostly lucky entitles them to be self righteous twits.

 

[michal1980]

Standard faith based strawman. Democrats are taxpayers, too, or is that concept too inconvenient, too much at odds with your faith based ideology of greed to be worthy of consideration?

The money spent on failed Neocon adventurism in Iraq & Afghanistan would have financed Obamacare for a very long time. The price of Obamacare is a drop in the bucket compared to military spending & to the lost revenue of taxcuts for the rich, who didn't need a taxcut in the first place.

The problem with Righties is that they believe their own bullshit, believe that being mostly lucky entitles them to be self righteous twits.

Mostly lucky?

Its more like Dems think that every poor person is just one handout away from making it. If only we keep giving these people more, there lives will be better.

That all the poor are unlucky, idiots, that need someone else to feed, shelter, and care for them. And the benevoltent democrats are just the people to do so, because they 'care'. They care that the evil hardworking people of america, some how screwed the 'poor' guy, and its not his fault he's poor, its that evil working guy.

And the solution? Take the labor of the working guy, and give it to the 'poor'

 

[michal1980]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QvZvNSKrOZ4

Mitch McConnel refuses to answer how he would deal with 30 million uninsured after he repeals Obamacare.

How many of those 30 million actually need care?

How many are health young adults, that will overall as a group be fine without being insured?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

How many are health young adults, that will overall as a group be fine without being insured?

Yeah, they'll be fine until they are no longer fine.

Do right-wingers even understand what insurance is and how it works?

Do they get that the current system basically encourages freeloading and increases costs by forcing tens of millions of people to do without preventive care and then flood emergency rooms when they are sick or worse?

It's absolutely amazing to see alleged "conservatives" basically take the argument that we're better off allowing free riders to overload our hospitals rather than making people do the responsible thing. But I guess that's what happens when you jettison your brain in favor of hating and opposing anything and everything associated with the black Muslim Kenyan.

 

[Phokus]

Interesting comment over at reddit:

CORRECTION: ObamaCare and RomneyCare are not exactly the same. RomneyCare covers abortions and undocumented immigrants.

 

[Infohawk]

Do they get that the current system basically encourages freeloading and increases costs by forcing tens of millions of people to do without preventive care and then flood emergency rooms when they are sick or worse?

This is really something that is overstated. Many people are quite healthy, particularly young people who can't afford $300-500 a month for health insurance they probably won't need. Keep in mind a lot of people are covered for injuries from car accidents by car insurance. Are there certain people that will randomly get cancer in their 20s? Sure, but it's very rare.

It's silly to assume that most young people who go without preventive care for a couple years are going to completely fall apart and need dramatic health care.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

This is really something that is overstated. Many people are quite healthy, particularly young people who can't afford $300-500 a month for health insurance they probably won't need.

Most young people also aren't going to die. Does that mean they shouldn't have life insurance?

Most houses never go up in flames. Should they not have fire insurance?

The entire point of insurance is to spread risk. If younger people have lower risk, they should pay less -- that's what actuaries deal with. But the mere fact of the risk being low isn't a justification for simply ignoring it.

Young people also benefit from regular care, which can reduce chances of illnesses when they get older. And let's also not forget that younger people have most of the babies, and that can be a real lottery situation -- a bit of bad luck and you're quickly in over your head.

I'm not a super big fan of the ACA as general policy. But the old situation of tens of millions of people not having basic care and relying on expensive ER visits for everything was ridiculous.

 

[Infohawk]

Most young people also aren't going to die. Does that mean they shouldn't have life insurance?

Most houses never go up in flames. Should they not have fire insurance?

The entire point of insurance is to spread risk. If younger people have lower risk, they should pay less -- that's what actuaries deal with. But the mere fact of the risk being low isn't a justification for simply ignoring it.

Young people also benefit from regular care, which can reduce chances of illnesses when they get older. And let's also not forget that younger people have most of the babies, and that can be a real lottery situation -- a bit of bad luck and you're quickly in over your head.

I'm not a super big fan of the ACA as general policy. But the old situation of tens of millions of people not having basic care and relying on expensive ER visits for everything was ridiculous.

You recognize that at some price, the cost of insurance isn't worth it right? Now you might think that price is $10,000 per month. I think for a lot of young people on humble incomes, anything above $200-$300 may very well not be worth it if they have insurance that covers injuries from a car accident. That is all I'm saying. You can't stop the analysis at, "young people can benefit from health insurance." The real question is, "within what price range will young people benefit from health insurance."

Your life insurance example is odd because if you don't have a wife or kids that rely on you, you probably shouldn't buy life insurance. And again, whether it's worth it ultimately comes down to the price. Paying 50% of your salary for life insurance would not be worth it despite all the positives about having insurance.

 

[Jhhnn]

Mostly lucky?

Its more like Dems think that every poor person is just one handout away from making it. If only we keep giving these people more, there lives will be better.

That all the poor are unlucky, idiots, that need someone else to feed, shelter, and care for them. And the benevoltent democrats are just the people to do so, because they 'care'. They care that the evil hardworking people of america, some how screwed the 'poor' guy, and its not his fault he's poor, its that evil working guy.

And the solution? Take the labor of the working guy, and give it to the 'poor'

More strawman. Whatever would you do without one?

What most Righties refuse to recognize is that the extension of Medicaid is largely for people who work, who have low paying jobs.

Obviously, facts are no match for the unshakable faith of holier than thou self righteousness.

 

[Jhhnn]

How many of those 30 million actually need care?

How many are health young adults, that will overall as a group be fine without being insured?

So what? There's a tradeoff in the ACA that Righties ignore completely, that the cost of coverage for pre-existing conditions of aging needs to be covered by participation when people are younger & less likely to need care. It's a way to average costs over time, a way to invest in our own futures.

 

[Svnla]

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The problem with Righties is that they believe their own bullshit, believe that being mostly lucky entitles them to be self righteous twits.

Being mostly lucky? You can't be that serious!!!!!!! Really.

Let see. LEGAL immigrants like myself came here with almost nothing, within a few years, working our butts off, became sucessfull. Millions of average Americans working their tails off everyday to move up and better themselves, must be luck there.

On the other side, native born Americans, sitting around, knocking off bitches and hoes, blaming everything on "whiteys, Bush, Republicans, The Pope, Mother Theresa, Fill In The Blank Excuses Under The Sun", dropping out of school, comitting crimes..and other misdeeds....and are still at the bottom of the totem pole even after years and years of set aside programs, affirmative action programs, Great Society programs, and other beneficial programs.

Yup, it is ALLLLL LUCK. Those darn bastard Asian students. Must be all luck because even with no set aside programs and blatant discrimination from college admissions, they are still overwhelmingly in presentation and do well in college. Yup, all luck there. The Lucky God must be Asian.

Oh no, must be because they did not pay any taxes, or small penises, or slant eyes, or upside down vaginas, can't drive, fill in the blank stupid stereotype jokes, right?

BTW, independent here. Neither R or D, thank you very much.

 

[boomerang]

Ah, hah, hah! It's not a tax but before the SCOTUS, it was argued that it was a tax.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...a-tax-stuns-wh-chief-of-staff-jack-lew-video/

Jack Lew, the Obama White House Chief of Staff, was trying to persuade Chris Wallace on FOX News Sunday that Obamacare was not a tax. But it didn&#8217;t work out so well for Lew when Wallace played audio of the Obama lawyer arguing that Obamacare was a tax in front of the Supreme Court.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

This is the right wing's new desperation ploy -- try to turn this into a debate over whether or not Obama "raised taxes on the middle class". Doing this requires a huge amount of outright dishonesty, but that of course has never stopped a political campaign before.

For their part, it appears the Democrats are responding by pointing out that the "tax" is a penalty meant to discourage free-riders -- an argument that they derived directly from Romney, much like the ACA itself.

So we are left with the amusing result of alleged "responsible conservatives" arguing that it's better for people who can afford to be responsible for their own health to refuse to pay for it and leech off of hospitals if and when they have a problem, and so-called "irresponsible liberals" arguing the opposite.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

You recognize that at some price, the cost of insurance isn't worth it right?

Yes, I do. And that's why there is the penalty option -- it is much less expensive than full health insurance, and that money is what partially compensates for the fact that some small percentage of "perfectly healthy" young people who forego insurance will rack up a $500,000 hospital bill for something they never foresaw.

I'd rather see a government-run basic catastrophic care program (with basic preventive care as well) than a penalty/tax/whatever.

 

[lopri]

Interesting comment over at reddit:

CORRECTION: ObamaCare and RomneyCare are not exactly the same. RomneyCare covers abortions and undocumented immigrants.

Very informative findings

 

[Matt1970]

Yeah, they'll be fine until they are no longer fine.

Do right-wingers even understand what insurance is and how it works?

Do they get that the current system basically encourages freeloading and increases costs by forcing tens of millions of people to do without preventive care and then flood emergency rooms when they are sick or worse?

Funny. The Liberals have based their whole existence on building a freeloader society.

 

[manimal]

Funny. The Liberals have based their whole existence on building a freeloader society.

Whats funny is you actually believe that. Some of us are conservative and we want universal HC. Some of us are conservative but still want a social safety net for the needy to lift themselves out of.


Sure many faults and problems exist. Whats funny to me is that simple people such as yourself are the ones that think so primitively.

The world is multifaceted with layers. Simplicity is the hallmark of a weak or simple mind.

Which are you?