ACA (a.k.a. Obamacare) Upheld

[shadow9d9]

well, the American people get what they deserve. Keep putting these liberals in office, and they will keep increasing the scope of government.

You must buy healthcare and enrich the bottom lines of the HMOs that donate to us
You CAN NOT buy a soda over 16 ounces

1984 is coming, and it's the left that is taking us there.

Only one liberal in the entire senate... and the whole mandate is right out of a primary rightwing thinktank from 1989. The country has moved so far right that the moderate democrats simply passed the right wing agenda. The right wing doesn't like it because THEY weren't the ones that actually did it. Republicans have not once EVER even TRIED to address healthcare in their 12 years straight of control.

 

[K1052]

Obama said this wasn't a tax, when it was.

No it isn't, Romney told us so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HymUU7OADbU&feature=player_embedded

(link borrowed from another poster above)

 

[Svnla]

So what will stop healthy, young, single people from not buying health insurance?

Fine/penalty < insurance premium = win for them?

 

[shadow9d9]

eskimo is a know lib.

Again, disagreeing with republicans does NOT make someone a liberal. All you are doing is saying that if you are disagreeing with me, you must be from the "other side." Reality is that republicans are so much further right now than they were 10 years ago, that it would make their 10 years ago former self appear "liberal."

 

[shadow9d9]

So what will stop healthy, young, single people from not buying health insurance?

Fine/penalty < insurance premium = win for them?

Some money is better than nothing. It might also encourage some to get it. It is a start.

 

[etrigan420]

I like how he thinks that because in his opinion someone else had a childish fit that it excuses his own behavior. That's pretty... childish.

Shhhhh...you're ruining his rhythm man...

Speaking of "ATPN members losing their shit to everyone elses amusement"...where's Spidey at? His insight would be...insight-ful? :sneaky:

 

[lopri]

It's going to be funny when Romney campaigns on Obama RAISING YOUR TAXES with the mandate when he basically said his own mandate wasn't a 'tax hike' either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HymUU7OADbU&feature=player_embedded

So true. Can someone dig up an Op-ed Romney wrote in NYTimes circa 2006~2007 (I think) in which he urged the fed to follow his successful reform in MA? I'm pretty sure I've read such a piece.

 

[sactoking]

So what will stop healthy, young, single people from not buying health insurance?

Fine/penalty < insurance premium = win for them?

Emergency care.

It's a common saying that with no underwriting and no pre-existing conditions exclusion you can "buy insurance on the way to the hospital" but it's not true; it's a euphemism.

It is true that if you are diagnosed with an issue that requires care, even serious care like chemotherapy, you can play adverse selector. However, if you have an emergency, like a stroke, you cannot get a policy with retrospective coverage.

So having no insurance but getting cancer = insurable but having no insurance and having a stroke = not insurable.

 

[michal1980]

I like how he thinks that because in his opinion someone else had a childish fit that it excuses his own behavior. That's pretty... childish.

I'm just trying to act like you libs do daily.

 

[Dulanic]

The general consensus of everyone I've spoken to in the industry and regulatory groups says 2014 will see average, across-the-board premium increases of "at least 20-25%". How much that gets offset by the exchange subsidies in unknown at this point.

Ummm duh? In the past 10 years we averaged nearly 10% per year rise. So that isn't a stretch with or without Obamacare.

 

[michal1980]

Ummm duh? In the past 10 years we averaged nearly 10% per year rise. So that isn't a stretch with or without Obamacare.

but now we have to pay for all those that haven't paid at all. Plus all the other benefits.

How will goverment pay for all the freeloaders? More taxes. Now goverment added a few million freeloaders, and the left expects it to lower costs? LOL.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm just trying to act like you libs do daily.

Okay, this has gotten to be too pathetic for me. It's off to the bar to celebrate!

 

[jhu]

Again, disagreeing with republicans does NOT make someone a liberal. All you are doing is saying that if you are disagreeing with me, you must be from the "other side." Reality is that republicans are so much further right now than they were 10 years ago, that it would make their 10 years ago former self appear "liberal."

Ronald Reagan is a liberal. There, I said it.

 

[Wreckem]

but now we have to pay for all those that haven't paid at all. Plus all the other benefits.

How will goverment pay for all the freeloaders? More taxes. Now goverment added a few million freeloaders, and the left expects it to lower costs? LOL.

We've been paying for freeloaders, US citizens and illegals, for decades...

 

[sactoking]

Ummm duh? In the past 10 years we averaged nearly 10% per year rise. So that isn't a stretch with or without Obamacare.

Ok, how about I draw you a map:

The general consensus of everyone I've spoken to in the industry and regulatory groups says 2014 will see average, across-the-board premium increases of "at least 20-25%" directly as a result of ACA market reforms. How much that gets offset by the exchange subsidies in unknown at this point.

 

[michal1980]

We've been paying for freeloaders, US citizens and illegals, for decades...

Just some of them. Now we will be paying for 100% of the freeloaders.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Why would the answer to every problem be the same? I for one am a big fan of charter schools so long as they are implemented correctly.

It's okay to be for free market solutions sometimes and government solutions other times. With education I think a chartered approach could really help. With health care I think otherwise.

Why would the answer to our problem be the same? The best option isn't automatic and the"same" solution can be good or a disaster. My problem is that "politicians are too busy" isn't satisfactory. It's always been about discovery and preparation in advance of implemation. Other nations are worried about the same things we are and their systems will collapse under the status quo. Anything that is adopted is subject to regulatory and bureaucratic inertia. We're going to substantially increase medicaid, but without reform. We need planning and ideas based on our particular needs and what would be insisted on in business and even personal finance is dismissed. Mandated foolishness is not a substitute for considered planning.

 

[Dulanic]

Ok, how about I draw you a map:

The general consensus of everyone I've spoken to in the industry and regulatory groups says 2014 will see average, across-the-board premium increases of "at least 20-25%" directly as a result of ACA market reforms. How much that gets offset by the exchange subsidies in unknown at this point.

So what you mean to say is a 35-45% increase total then? You can't ignore the increase that was already going to happen.

 

[jhu]

So true. Can someone dig up an Op-ed Romney wrote in NYTimes circa 2006~2007 (I think) in which he urged the fed to follow his successful reform in MA? I'm pretty sure I've read such a piece.

Here you go. It's actually from 2009.

 

[feralkid]

Kennedy got it right but Roberts got it wrong - even after his extremely skepical questioning during the hearings.

Does anybody now doubt what I’ve been saying for a long time now - that John Roberts has been threatened? The measure of the value of a hypothesis is if it accurately predicts future events. I had this one pegged - against the collective wisdom of Intrade. And even against folks with insider knowledge, like Jake Tapper who claimed that Roberts was going to support Obamacare in order to hold Kennedy’s hand. In the end, the whole thing stood or fell with Roberts, and he did exactly what Soros told him to do. Just as I feared and stated publicly based on my belief that Roberts has exhibited signs of being compromised all along, ever since the day of the Donofrio conference when Roberts made an unprecedented and unethical ex parte invitation to Obama to visit SCOTUS.

His vote on Arizona was not to buy Kennedy’s cooperation on Obamacare. His stances on both decisions are unconstitutional.

He’s the mouthpiece of George Soros - after Soros told Roberts he and his communist-Islamist alliance would make another run on the bank if Roberts didn’t do as he was told.

This country has literally been taken hostage. This is exactly why Obama’s ineligibility is so critical. Once the camel’s nose is under the tent, it’s just a matter of time before the whole thing comes down. They got Roberts to swear in Obama and ignore all the eligibility cases by threatening another run on the bank, and now they can use the same threat to do whatever they darn well please. At this point they don’t even care that people are figuring it out.

2008 was a communist-Islamist coup. Simple statement of fact.

 

[jackstar7]

"Shit, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes."


The tin foil is strong in this thread.

 

[Phynaz]

So what you mean to say is a 35-45% increase total then? You can't ignore the increase that was already going to happen.

U.S. Steel took a $1B charge for the cost of covering their employees under Obamacare. That's over and above what the normal increase would have been.

 

[QuantumPion]

Leavin this here:

 

[kyp275]

lulz

I'd like some of what you're smoking.

on second thought, it's obviously a bit too potent, so maybe not.

 

[SP33Demon]

Ronald Reagan is a liberal. There, I said it.

Reagan started all this bullshit with EMTALA, and no politician had the balls to try to fund it for the past 26 years. Now we finally have a way to pay for it, albeit a shitty bandaid. On the bright side, at least this country may not rank almost last in doctors per 100,000 anymore.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-05-health-industrialized-nations-quality-varies.html