Abusing the System

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Most food stamps are done by a EBT card. I can honestly say that I have no idea if the card limits what can be done in a store. I know you can limit the TYPE of store you can buy stuff at. For instance, you can limit an EBT card from being used at a liquor store. Basically every store has a merchant type and you can easily limit things by merchant type.

But a line by line restriction, I am not sure about. Basically an EBT card is like a debit or credit card.

In the NY grocery store I used to work in, beer could be on the same order as other stuff that is paid for by food stamps. But, the food stamps would not be able to pay for the non-qualifying stuff. The person would run their food stamps EBT card and then after the qualifying items were paid for, there would be a balance due that had to use some other form of payment.


Edit:

Originally posted by: spidey07
So call up your local county gubment office and report them. They are effectively stealing from you and other tax payers. Maybe get a tape recording of them admitting the fraud or bragging about it on facebook?

And do this if you're so concerned.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
They need to bring back the paper ones, so at least there is a measure of shame when using them.

They should also take away the ability to vote from anyone on public assistence of any kind. If the rest of society is going to help pay their way, the rest of society should be making their political choices for them as well. There should also be some requirement to pay the public assistance back before getting those rights back. Sadly, that will never happen.

Paper is probably easier to abuse than an electronic system.

Anyway, you want to disenfranchise people on public assistance? That's ridiculous :roll: I mean, there can be no other issues that are important to people on welfare besides collecting welfare. Other important matters that government handles are no concern to them. :roll:

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Most food stamps are done by a EBT card. I can honestly say that I have no idea if the card limits what can be done in a store. I know you can limit the TYPE of store you can buy stuff at. For instance, you can limit an EBT card from being used at a liquor store. Basically every store has a merchant type and you can easily limit things by merchant type.

But a line by line restriction, I am not sure about. Basically an EBT card is like a debit or credit card.

In the NY grocery store I used to work in, beer could be on the same order as other stuff that is paid for by food stamps. But, the food stamps would not be able to pay for the non-qualifying stuff. The person would run their food stamps EBT card and then after the qualifying items were paid for, there would be a balance due that had to use some other form of payment.


Edit:

Originally posted by: spidey07
So call up your local county gubment office and report them. They are effectively stealing from you and other tax payers. Maybe get a tape recording of them admitting the fraud or bragging about it on facebook?

And do this if you're so concerned.

Yeah, never wanted to imply it couldn't be done. Just wasn't sure if it was on a line by line basis.

I know my company card will not work if I tried to go shopping in a Home Depot but it will work at McDonalds.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I think your BIL is exaggerating the "stories" people tell him, which are probably already exaggerated.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

They need to bring back the paper ones, so at least there is a measure of shame when using them.

They should also take away the ability to vote from anyone on public assistence of any kind. If the rest of society is going to help pay their way, the rest of society should be making their political choices for them as well. There should also be some requirement to pay the public assistance back before getting those rights back. Sadly, that will never happen.

I think we could all agree that there are holes in the current system at best, it's broken at worst. But your take on the situation would help exactly no one.

 

[Alienwho]

Hey, I myself doubt the part of them being able to buy alcohol with food stamps, but that is besides the point. In my opinion food stamps should be limited to staples like rice, potatoes, other vegetables and cheap meat (ala no filet mignon). I myself have seen my fair share of people buying $6 pints of premium ice cream and boxes of fancy pop tarts with food stamps. But this is still besides the point.

The whole fantastic claims by the wife could be fictitious and it still doesn't change the fact that.
1) They cannot give back the food stamps even if they want to. She claims they don't want or need $800/month in food stamps, but there is nothing they can do about it. They either get $800/month or nothing.

2) These future leaders of America who are clearly have no need of the food stamps are manipulating their assets in such a way that they are able to steal from people in situations like waggy's childhood who aren't getting what they actually need. Then they meet with each other to discuss such methods.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Hey, I myself doubt the part of them being able to buy alcohol with food stamps, but that is besides the point. In my opinion food stamps should be limited to staples like rice, potatoes, other vegetables and cheap meat (ala no filet mignon). I myself have seen my fair share of people buying $6 pints of premium ice cream and boxes of fancy pop tarts with food stamps. But this is still besides the point.

The whole fantastic claims by the wife could be fictitious and it still doesn't change the fact that.
1) They cannot give back the food stamps even if they want to. She claims they don't want or need $800/month in food stamps, but there is nothing they can do about it. They either get $800/month or nothing.

2) These future leaders of America who are clearly have no need of the food stamps are manipulating their assets in such a way that they are able to steal from people in situations like waggy's childhood who aren't getting what they actually need. Then they meet with each other to discuss such methods.

You really think someone could move $30000 around with no one noticing?

If they transfer it to parents, there could be the gift tax involved and v.v.

You're story is pretty far-fetched overall.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Hey, I myself doubt the part of them being able to buy alcohol with food stamps, but that is besides the point. In my opinion food stamps should be limited to staples like rice, potatoes, other vegetables and cheap meat (ala no filet mignon). I myself have seen my fair share of people buying $6 pints of premium ice cream and boxes of fancy pop tarts with food stamps. But this is still besides the point.

The whole fantastic claims by the wife could be fictitious and it still doesn't change the fact that.
1) They cannot give back the food stamps even if they want to. She claims they don't want or need $800/month in food stamps, but there is nothing they can do about it. They either get $800/month or nothing.

2) These future leaders of America who are clearly have no need of the food stamps are manipulating their assets in such a way that they are able to steal from people in situations like waggy's childhood who aren't getting what they actually need. Then they meet with each other to discuss such methods.

You really think someone could move $30000 around with no one noticing?

If they transfer it to parents, there could be the gift tax involved and v.v.

You're story is pretty far-fetched overall.

Yep he is already back tracking. Like I said before...

"Stories like this pop up every several months. The OP says something that is not even possible, like your example, then back tracks and makes up more till the OP never comes back to admit they are an idiot."

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Hey, I myself doubt the part of them being able to buy alcohol with food stamps, but that is besides the point. In my opinion food stamps should be limited to staples like rice, potatoes, other vegetables and cheap meat (ala no filet mignon). I myself have seen my fair share of people buying $6 pints of premium ice cream and boxes of fancy pop tarts with food stamps. But this is still besides the point.

The whole fantastic claims by the wife could be fictitious and it still doesn't change the fact that.
1) They cannot give back the food stamps even if they want to. She claims they don't want or need $800/month in food stamps, but there is nothing they can do about it. They either get $800/month or nothing.

2) These future leaders of America who are clearly have no need of the food stamps are manipulating their assets in such a way that they are able to steal from people in situations like waggy's childhood who aren't getting what they actually need. Then they meet with each other to discuss such methods.

You really think someone could move $30000 around with no one noticing?

If they transfer it to parents, there could be the gift tax involved and v.v.

You're story is pretty far-fetched overall.

You are absolutely right. How whole thing must be made up. Off shore accounting, tax evasion and number fudging is practically unheard of in this country, especially by those smart business types...the kind who go to the top MBA programs in the country, the majority of whom are CPA's, law students, and have 5+ years in financial or managerial roles :roll: . This same country where the government can't manage its own budget and wastes money like it's going out of style. And you guys make it sound like I'm the one in a fantasy world.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

The whole fantastic claims by the wife could be fictitious and it still doesn't change the fact that.
1) They cannot give back the food stamps even if they want to. She claims they don't want or need $800/month in food stamps, but there is nothing they can do about it. They either get $800/month or nothing.

For items purchased, only large chain grocery/convenient stores were on an approved retailer list. Small independent grocers were out. There's not much incentive to commit fraud in a large chain store that constantly audits their stock and will fire people for inconsistencies. Liquor stores, as a category, were out. Obviously, it's still possible to commit fraud, especially if you know a low-level employee at a grocery store who hates his/her job.

As other have said, items are flagged based on SKU. The system will automatically separate out approve from non-approved items. The person will have to pay the remaining balance some other way.

Amounts that aren't spent simply aren't spent. The state doesn't lose that money, and it doesn't vanish. However, they will adjust the monthly allowance based on need. If you aren't using up the amount they give you, they'll reduce the allowance so that they can redistribute that slice of the pie to someone else.

...at least that's how it worked in Colorado when my BIL was on them.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Hey, I myself doubt the part of them being able to buy alcohol with food stamps, but that is besides the point. In my opinion food stamps should be limited to staples like rice, potatoes, other vegetables and cheap meat (ala no filet mignon). I myself have seen my fair share of people buying $6 pints of premium ice cream and boxes of fancy pop tarts with food stamps. But this is still besides the point.

The whole fantastic claims by the wife could be fictitious and it still doesn't change the fact that.
1) They cannot give back the food stamps even if they want to. She claims they don't want or need $800/month in food stamps, but there is nothing they can do about it. They either get $800/month or nothing.

2) These future leaders of America who are clearly have no need of the food stamps are manipulating their assets in such a way that they are able to steal from people in situations like waggy's childhood who aren't getting what they actually need. Then they meet with each other to discuss such methods.

You really think someone could move $30000 around with no one noticing?

If they transfer it to parents, there could be the gift tax involved and v.v.

You're story is pretty far-fetched overall.

You are absolutely right. How whole thing must be made up. Off shore accounting, tax evasion and number fudging is practically unheard of in this country, especially by those smart business types...the kind who go to the top MBA programs in the country, the majority of whom are CPA's, law students, and have 5+ years in financial or managerial roles :roll: . This same country where the government can't manage its own budget and wastes money like it's going out of style. And you guys make it sound like I'm the one in a fantasy world.

even doing all of that its still going to raise flags (if nto more).

you are trying ot make it sound like its a common thing. where if someone is doing it it is NOT common. not to mention many have pointed out holes in the story.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Dont believe everything you hear. While fraud is rampant on occassion when it comes to government programs, the penalty for getting caught is rather severe.

1) Turn him in

2) Collect rewards

3) Profit!

 

[HardcoreRobot]

war on poverty fails some more

whoopdedo

 

[Vonkhan]

Moving around $30k WILL get the IRS's attention

Overall, I gotta call bullshit on your BIL's story

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Hey, I myself doubt the part of them being able to buy alcohol with food stamps, but that is besides the point. In my opinion food stamps should be limited to staples like rice, potatoes, other vegetables and cheap meat (ala no filet mignon). I myself have seen my fair share of people buying $6 pints of premium ice cream and boxes of fancy pop tarts with food stamps. But this is still besides the point.

The whole fantastic claims by the wife could be fictitious and it still doesn't change the fact that.
1) They cannot give back the food stamps even if they want to. She claims they don't want or need $800/month in food stamps, but there is nothing they can do about it. They either get $800/month or nothing.

2) These future leaders of America who are clearly have no need of the food stamps are manipulating their assets in such a way that they are able to steal from people in situations like waggy's childhood who aren't getting what they actually need. Then they meet with each other to discuss such methods.

You really think someone could move $30000 around with no one noticing?

If they transfer it to parents, there could be the gift tax involved and v.v.

You're story is pretty far-fetched overall.

You are absolutely right. How whole thing must be made up. Off shore accounting, tax evasion and number fudging is practically unheard of in this country, especially by those smart business types...the kind who go to the top MBA programs in the country, the majority of whom are CPA's, law students, and have 5+ years in financial or managerial roles :roll: . This same country where the government can't manage its own budget and wastes money like it's going out of style. And you guys make it sound like I'm the one in a fantasy world.

even doing all of that its still going to raise flags (if nto more).

you are trying ot make it sound like its a common thing. where if someone is doing it it is NOT common. not to mention many have pointed out holes in the story.

I fail to understand how I'm making it sound like a common thing when only a fraction of a fraction of the population are in a top 25 business school, and a fraction of those people (15/40) are participating in the scheme. You guys don't think that a collection of the top .1% of bright minds in America aren't capable of figuring out how to take advantage of a bloated, wasteful government? Maybe you guys haven't met anybody in these kind of situations before, but let me tell you many of them are Machiavellian: intelligent, cunning, ruthless, and extremely driven.

btw I'm currently taking donations for my new candy cane plantation that I'm starting in Afghanistan for the children in Iraq.

 

[T9D]

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[DesiPower]

You have no idea how much these system are abused, being a part of immigrant community we hear these stories and hear people brag and even gloat about these achievement pretty often. Most of them begin or end with "stupid Americans". I just cannot begin to describe how frustrating it is. We have almost stopped going certain community functions just to stay away from such frustrating stories/brags.

We even came across ppl who have stopped working or under work so that they can take advantage of these programs. Most of these poeple are not uneducated or anything, some of them are even professors in univs. Some even immigrate their parents and use them...

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: DesiPower
You have no idea how much these system are abused, being a part of immigrant community we hear these stories and hear people brag and even gloat about these achievement pretty often. Most of them begin or end with "stupid Americans". I just cannot begin to describe how frustrating it is. We have almost stopped going certain community functions just to stay away from such frustrating stories/brags.

We even came across ppl who have stopped working or under work so that they can take advantage of these programs. Most of these poeple are not uneducated or anything, some of them are even professors in univs. Some even immigrate their parents and use them...

Second this. My husband came over when he was 8. His family is honest and not on public assistance but a LOT of his community is, and happily. Part of it is cultural; coming from a soviet country they really don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. The state owes them; why should they work, or work hard?

For those of you saying "scam!" because of the amounts of money that OP claims are being moved, my husband and I move that much around on a regular basis (for legitimate reasons, I might add) and all we ever get is a call from the bank to make sure it's not fraud.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Let me guess did they buy their steaks and get into their new Corvette/Caddy and make fun of you as well?


And yep the majority of people on food stamps are scammers, damm kids.


:roll:

What's the point of this? Did I call the majority of the people scammers? All I said is that this is prevalent in top programs across the country.

Fuck you, asshole. Great way to win more people over to your side of creating a socialistic utopia, belittle those who see the flaws and desire how to solve the problem. DIAF.

Awww did I hurt your fealings about your BS story?

:laugh:

why are you being such a prick?

and your wife ain't that hot so stop flaunting her like she is.

 

[TruePaige]

OP's story is complete BS and BlahBlahYouToo is a dick.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Let me guess did they buy their steaks and get into their new Corvette/Caddy and make fun of you as well?


And yep the majority of people on food stamps are scammers, damm kids.


:roll:

What's the point of this? Did I call the majority of the people scammers? All I said is that this is prevalent in top programs across the country.

Fuck you, asshole. Great way to win more people over to your side of creating a socialistic utopia, belittle those who see the flaws and desire how to solve the problem. DIAF.

Awww did I hurt your fealings about your BS story?

:laugh:

why are you being such a prick?

and your wife ain't that hot so stop flaunting her like she is.

lets see others have already backed up what I said, story is full of holes and BS. Then I said what would happen, and it has. OP is another idiot like all the others that post the same type story and got busted by others here again.
And when did I bring up my wife?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
OP's story is complete BS and BlahBlahYouToo is a dick.

/thread


:laugh:

 

[God Mode]

Where can I go to report welfare abuse? I know of several families that do very well yet they use medicaid and food coupons.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
My wife worked with a guy that screwed the system.

His "gf/mother of his children" didn't officially live with him. He owned a condo. He would "rent" the condo to her and her kids. They had 4 kids and she claimed to be a single parent. She got welfare and every other public assistance and was unemployed.

So basically all the rent money stayed in house. She got 100% public assistance with her kids. And the government can't do much. She pays rent. They aren't married. She shows a separate residence. She has a bunch of kids.

All the while, the guy makes 6 figures plus whatever the government provides. And food stamps aren't even embarrassing to use anymore. You get a little debit like card to pay.

So we have a couple that really is married with kids but skirt the system and collect huge benefits from the government

Except for one small problem... the state can and will go after him for child support and reimbursement of all welfare/ medicaid funds paid out to dat on behalf of those 4 kids, the interest rate is pretty hefty too.