Abusing the System

Alienwho

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Last night I was talking with my brother in law who is currently in a top 25 MBA program. He mentioned the rampant abuse of government help systems by a huge number of his co-students.

It's a full time program so they are not allowed to work during school. He said most everybody has a pretty healthy cash reserve, as in $20,000+ and they brag how a few times a year when the government checks on their liquid assets they will pull the money from the bank or transfer it into a parents account so they don't break the $3,000 requirement (or whatever it is) so they can qualify for food stamps and medicaid. One of the students wife was bragging at how they got $800 A MONTH in food stamps and are on medicaid. They have two kids, ages 3 and 5. The husband brags how he shifts around his $30,000 at the right time of the year to qualify for this government assistance. They live in a damn nice place and have two cars.

The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps and how $800 is way more than they would ever need but she couldn't give it back even if she wanted. She also said they have no incentive whatsoever to get off food stamps because there is no penalty to be on them and the reward for doing things the way they do is so great.

What's the deal? Is the IRS really so stupid as to not check the history of a bank account balance and only the "current" amount? Anybody know anything more about this or know of people who abuse the system similarly? And we wonder why the corruption is so great with many high executives and government offices, these guys have been pulling these schemes since their college days.

$800 in groceries would last my wife and I 4 months of eating like kings.
 

frostedflakes

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Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.
 

Vette73

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Let me guess did they buy their steaks and get into their new Corvette/Caddy and make fun of you as well?


And yep the majority of people on food stamps are scammers, damm kids.


:roll:
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: Alienwho

What's the deal? Is the IRS really so stupid as to not check the history of a bank account balance and only the "current" amount? Anybody know anything more about this or know of people who abuse the system similarly? And we wonder why the corruption is so great with many high executives and government offices, these guys have been pulling these schemes since their college days.

$800 in groceries would last my wife and I 4 months of eating like kings.

I don't think the IRS is that stupid, I just think that they have way too many accounts to check and the system probably isn't set up to provide past balance information. If one of these guys gets audited, they'd probably get caught but the truth is that there probably isn't enough of an incentive for the IRS to serious investigate these folks.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.

No its more likely he, OP, is lying and/or very gullible.

Stories like this pop up every several months. The OP says something that is not even possible, like your example, then back tracks and makes up more till the OP never comes back to admit they are an idiot.
 

waggy

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hm how are they able to get alchohol with food stamps? that makes me doubt the story.

Also for food stamps they take in account the cars and house (at least they used to).'


Not to mention moving around 30k every few months is going to raise flags..
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.

No its more likely he, OP, is lying and/or very gullible.

Stories like this pop up every several months. The OP says something that is not even possible, like your example, then back tracks and makes up more till the OP never comes back to admit they are an idiot.
I considered that, but was going to give OP the benefit of the doubt.
 

FoBoT

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there are plenty of grey market shops that will sell alcohol for food stamps, they just jack up the price
if a 1.5L vodka is $10 cash, they'll give it to you for $20 in food stamps
then they cook the books to make it look like you bought oatmeal or whatever is allowed to buy with food stamps
 

Alienwho

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Let me guess did they buy their steaks and get into their new Corvette/Caddy and make fun of you as well?


And yep the majority of people on food stamps are scammers, damm kids.


:roll:

What's the point of this? Did I call the majority of the people scammers? All I said is that this is prevalent in top programs across the country.

Fuck you, asshole. Great way to win more people over to your side of creating a socialistic utopia, belittle those who see the flaws and desire how to solve the problem. DIAF.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.


the market really does not have a say. Every state now uses a Credit card type system. the store has no choice on what it takes or does not take.
 

Codewiz

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My wife worked with a guy that screwed the system.

His "gf/mother of his children" didn't officially live with him. He owned a condo. He would "rent" the condo to her and her kids. They had 4 kids and she claimed to be a single parent. She got welfare and every other public assistance and was unemployed.

So basically all the rent money stayed in house. She got 100% public assistance with her kids. And the government can't do much. She pays rent. They aren't married. She shows a separate residence. She has a bunch of kids.

All the while, the guy makes 6 figures plus whatever the government provides. And food stamps aren't even embarrassing to use anymore. You get a little debit like card to pay.

So we have a couple that really is married with kids but skirt the system and collect huge benefits from the government

 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Alienwho
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Let me guess did they buy their steaks and get into their new Corvette/Caddy and make fun of you as well?


And yep the majority of people on food stamps are scammers, damm kids.


:roll:

What's the point of this? Did I call the majority of the people scammers? All I said is that this is prevalent in top programs across the country.

Fuck you, asshole. Great way to win more people over to your side of creating a socialistic utopia, belittle those who see the flaws and desire how to solve the problem. DIAF.

Awww did I hurt your fealings about your BS story?

:laugh:
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.


the market really does not have a say. Every state now uses a Credit card type system. the store has no choice on what it takes or does not take.
I'm not sure I understand. You're saying that the supermarket would ring up and let a person charge alcohol or tobacco products to their food stamp card? If the store doesn't enforce this, who does?
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.


the market really does not have a say. Every state now uses a Credit card type system. the store has no choice on what it takes or does not take.
I'm not sure I understand. You're saying that the supermarket would ring up and let a person charge alcohol or tobacco products to their food stamp card? If the store doesn't enforce this, who does?

Most food stamps are done by a EBT card. I can honestly say that I have no idea if the card limits what can be done in a store. I know you can limit the TYPE of store you can buy stuff at. For instance, you can limit an EBT card from being used at a liquor store. Basically every store has a merchant type and you can easily limit things by merchant type.

But a line by line restriction, I am not sure about. Basically an EBT card is like a debit or credit card.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.


the market really does not have a say. Every state now uses a Credit card type system. the store has no choice on what it takes or does not take.
I'm not sure I understand. You're saying that the supermarket would ring up and let a person charge alcohol or tobacco products to their food stamp card? If the store doesn't enforce this, who does?

No there are things it will allow and not. If its not allowed then it will ring up at full price and the person will be told they need to pay XYZ cash/something else at the end.
 

Alienwho

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Alienwho
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Let me guess did they buy their steaks and get into their new Corvette/Caddy and make fun of you as well?


And yep the majority of people on food stamps are scammers, damm kids.


:roll:

What's the point of this? Did I call the majority of the people scammers? All I said is that this is prevalent in top programs across the country.

Fuck you, asshole. Great way to win more people over to your side of creating a socialistic utopia, belittle those who see the flaws and desire how to solve the problem. DIAF.

Awww did I hurt your fealings about your BS story?

:laugh:
Where's the BS?

These top business schools who are supposed to be filled with students who are taught to practice high ethical standards are smart enough to know how to take advantage of the system, brag to my family about such knowledge, and try to get my bro in law to partake and see for himself. He told him just what he needs to know to do it. The weeks of the year he needs to clean out his bank account, and even offered his help in doing it all.

The pattern continues as these same guys go on to become big enron-esque executives cashing their fat big bank bonuses (provided through your tax dollars).

Are you saying this isn't possible or not displaying any kind of obvious pattern here? I could see where BS would be possible if it was only one guy telling my BiL about this. But it was literally a meeting of 15 of his co-students sharing their methods with each other and what worked/didn't work for them.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.


the market really does not have a say. Every state now uses a Credit card type system. the store has no choice on what it takes or does not take.
I'm not sure I understand. You're saying that the supermarket would ring up and let a person charge alcohol or tobacco products to their food stamp card? If the store doesn't enforce this, who does?

seems diffrent articles state diffrent ways to stop buying alchohol and such. when i posted i read where the card is setup so it can decline anything that is not qualified for food stamps. a few others have it as the POS machine is setup that way.

i guess a small place could ring up alchohol as food item. but harder iwth the POS system

 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: waggy
the market really does not have a say. Every state now uses a Credit card type system. the store has no choice on what it takes or does not take.
I'm not sure I understand. You're saying that the supermarket would ring up and let a person charge alcohol or tobacco products to their food stamp card? If the store doesn't enforce this, who does?

seems diffrent articles state diffrent ways to stop buying alchohol and such. when i posted i read where the card is setup so it can decline anything that is not qualified for food stamps. a few others have it as the POS machine is setup that way.

i guess a small place could ring up alchohol as food item. but harder iwth the POS system
Yeah I Googled a bit as well and it sounds like that's how it works. I guess I didn't realize things had become so automated.
 

nerp

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Originally posted by: Alienwho
Last night I was talking with my brother in law who is currently in a top 25 MBA program. He mentioned the rampant abuse of government help systems by a huge number of his co-students.

It's a full time program so they are not allowed to work during school. He said most everybody has a pretty healthy cash reserve, as in $20,000+ and they brag how a few times a year when the government checks on their liquid assets they will pull the money from the bank or transfer it into a parents account so they don't break the $3,000 requirement (or whatever it is) so they can qualify for food stamps and medicaid. One of the students wife was bragging at how they got $800 A MONTH in food stamps and are on medicaid. They have two kids, ages 3 and 5. The husband brags how he shifts around his $30,000 at the right time of the year to qualify for this government assistance. They live in a damn nice place and have two cars.

The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps and how $800 is way more than they would ever need but she couldn't give it back even if she wanted. She also said they have no incentive whatsoever to get off food stamps because there is no penalty to be on them and the reward for doing things the way they do is so great.

What's the deal? Is the IRS really so stupid as to not check the history of a bank account balance and only the "current" amount? Anybody know anything more about this or know of people who abuse the system similarly? And we wonder why the corruption is so great with many high executives and government offices, these guys have been pulling these schemes since their college days.

$800 in groceries would last my wife and I 4 months of eating like kings.

My cousin knows this guy who can bench press 950 lbs.
 

adairusmc

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.


the market really does not have a say. Every state now uses a Credit card type system. the store has no choice on what it takes or does not take.

They need to bring back the paper ones, so at least there is a measure of shame when using them.

They should also take away the ability to vote from anyone on public assistence of any kind. If the rest of society is going to help pay their way, the rest of society should be making their political choices for them as well. There should also be some requirement to pay the public assistance back before getting those rights back. Sadly, that will never happen.
 

spidey07

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So call up your local county gubment office and report them. They are effectively stealing from you and other tax payers. Maybe get a tape recording of them admitting the fraud or bragging about it on facebook?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Unfortunately it's probably cheaper for the government to just pay the money out than to pay employees extra to more thoroughly investigate claims. Abuse like this is frustrating, though.

Originally posted by: Alienwho
The wife brags that she can even buy alcohol with the food stamps ...
She's either lying, or the market she's buying it from is breaking the law. You're not supposed to be able to purchase alcohol or smokes with food stamps.


the market really does not have a say. Every state now uses a Credit card type system. the store has no choice on what it takes or does not take.
I'm not sure I understand. You're saying that the supermarket would ring up and let a person charge alcohol or tobacco products to their food stamp card? If the store doesn't enforce this, who does?

seems diffrent articles state diffrent ways to stop buying alchohol and such. when i posted i read where the card is setup so it can decline anything that is not qualified for food stamps. a few others have it as the POS machine is setup that way.

i guess a small place could ring up alchohol as food item. but harder iwth the POS system

yeap. the idea is to cut down on fruad. i remember when i was like 12 my mom and dad divorced. I was living with her and we were on food stamps. but not enought to feed us.

There was a lady down the street who was on them my mom would pay her $.20 or so on the doller for them.


the EBT system has it so you ring everything up. When the cashier htis the foodstamps/ebt key it subtracts eveyrthing food stamps won't cover. so you get 2 totals. one for food stamps and 1 for others.

Every place that takes the foods stamp EBT's have to be setup to do it automaticly. if they don't have a POS system then they use the states system for a small fee.

but it does not end fraud. but i really doubt the OP's story because of him claiming they getting alchohol with it. unless he knows the owner of the store or something i can't see the store doingit.


Originally posted by: adairusmc


They need to bring back the paper ones, so at least there is a measure of shame when using them.

They should also take away the ability to vote from anyone on public assistence of any kind. If the rest of society is going to help pay their way, the rest of society should be making their political choices for them as well. There should also be some requirement to pay the public assistance back before getting those rights back. Sadly, that will never happen.

they will NEVER go back to the paper ones. not because the EBT reduces the shame. but because the paper ones were far to easy to commit fraud with.

As for the rest of your post its fucking stupid. Take away rights becasue someone is on public assitence?

there are many legit reasons to get on public assistence besides being lazy. and thank god nothing like you want will ever happen. its just fuckign idiotic.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: adairusmc

They need to bring back the paper ones, so at least there is a measure of shame when using them.

They should also take away the ability to vote from anyone on public assistence of any kind. If the rest of society is going to help pay their way, the rest of society should be making their political choices for them as well. There should also be some requirement to pay the public assistance back before getting those rights back. Sadly, that will never happen.

The old-style paper food stamps were more expensive, both to the state/county who issued them and to the retailer who had to deal with them, PLUS, it was much easier to commit fraud with them.

Take away voting rights from folks on PA? :roll:

Why do you hate America and Americans so much?