Abu Ghraib abuse photos show rape

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: lupi
Maybe if there weren't so many atheist this type of stuff wouldn't happen.

As if you couldn't get anymore retarded

Oh hey, a study explains your existence: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2306548&enterthread=y

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: cyclohexane
link

Explain to me why we aren't going after these soldiers? This is disgusting.

Where the hell have you been? The soldiers were already prosecuted. The commander was punished for allowing actions to take place, and his carreer was ended. One of the worst offenders received 10 years in Leavenworth.
The reason they were all prosecuted is the "authorized" enhanced interrogation did not apply to them, it was authorized for the CIA. These soldiers were just MPs. And even if it were authorized at Abu Ghraib, and authorized for MPs to perform (which it isnt, ever), they went WELL beyond anything that was authorized.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: kage69
You King George devotees make me sick.

NSFW! Caution: thread relevent pics of a graphic nature...


There's nothing quite like hearing you sick bastards defend and deny the tactics of Saddam.


Yikes. Way more there than I had heard about.

Cheney and Rumsfeld must be so proud.

From the first website you linked to:
(Please Note: Many of the photographs showing the rape of Iraqi women and the sodomization of Iraqi POW's at the Abu Ghraib prison are now at USA pornographic websites pointing to the possibility of collusion between the depraved US soldiers in the pictures and US based Jewish pornographers. Many of these photographs were also freely disseminated to US occupation forces, perhaps to inflame their nefarious desires and to motivate them to strike out against the Iraqi populace in these perverse ways.)

Yeah, throwing some random antisemitism into an issue is the real way to garner support.
It's despicable if it's happening, but a website like that doesn't seem credible.
Prove the pictures are of US soldiers raping women in Iraq and Abu Ghraib. (it could be consensual even, or staged)

I've got to wonder about when rape became cool for the armed forces though. On top of that, it says male prisoners were raped? I'd just imagine that in the homophobic military, even guys 'joking' around wouldn't go that far. (I guess they could be kicked out under the don't ask, don't tell policy now?)

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: kage69
You King George devotees make me sick.

NSFW! Caution: thread relevent pics of a graphic nature...


There's nothing quite like hearing you sick bastards defend and deny the tactics of Saddam.


Yikes. Way more there than I had heard about.

Cheney and Rumsfeld must be so proud.

From the first website you linked to:
(Please Note: Many of the photographs showing the rape of Iraqi women and the sodomization of Iraqi POW's at the Abu Ghraib prison are now at USA pornographic websites pointing to the possibility of collusion between the depraved US soldiers in the pictures and US based Jewish pornographers. Many of these photographs were also freely disseminated to US occupation forces, perhaps to inflame their nefarious desires and to motivate them to strike out against the Iraqi populace in these perverse ways.)

Yeah, throwing some random antisemitism into an issue is the real way to garner support.
It's despicable if it's happening, but a website like that doesn't seem credible.
Prove the pictures are of US soldiers raping women in Iraq and Abu Ghraib. (it could be consensual even, or staged)

I've got to wonder about when rape became cool for the armed forces though. On top of that, it says male prisoners were raped? I'd just imagine that in the homophobic military, even guys 'joking' around wouldn't go that far. (I guess they could be kicked out under the don't ask, don't tell policy now?)

I think there is a possibility that those photos in the link above are fake. It mentions that many of those photos are in pornographic websites. You can't really trust porn websites as a reliable information source. Many porn sites depict scenes that aren't real. Scenes with men meeting girls off the streets and then having sex with them. They are staged and I'm wondering if those pictures are just staged porn scenes.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Where the hell have you been? The soldiers were already prosecuted. The commander was punished for allowing actions to take place, and his carreer was ended. One of the worst offenders received 10 years in Leavenworth.
The reason they were all prosecuted is the "authorized" enhanced interrogation did not apply to them, it was authorized for the CIA. These soldiers were just MPs. And even if it were authorized at Abu Ghraib, and authorized for MPs to perform (which it isnt, ever), they went WELL beyond anything that was authorized.

You wouldn't want to back your statement up would you?
How many were involved?
How many were plea bargained out? (slap on the wrist)
How many were given sentences?
How about putting up some real numbers?

-edit Wouldn't that be sad if only one soldier was found guilty

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: StormRider

I think there is a possibility that those photos in the link above are fake. It mentions that many of those photos are in pornographic websites. You can't really trust porn websites as a reliable information source. Many porn sites depict scenes that aren't real. Scenes with men meeting girls off the streets and then having sex with them. They are staged and I'm wondering if those pictures are just staged porn scenes.

Guess Obama should release the rest of the pics so we don't have to wonder

 

[imported_gardener]

Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President?s decision, adding: ?These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency."


There is more to this story and some fake photos on a porn site, Storm.

 

[Leon]

Originally posted by: kage69
You King George devotees make me sick.

NSFW! Caution: thread relevent pics of a graphic nature...


There's nothing quite like hearing you sick bastards defend and deny the tactics of Saddam.


Yikes. Way more there than I had heard about.

Cheney and Rumsfeld must be so proud.

While I don't deny abuse ( it is very well documented ) the first picture is very likely fake. No rank/serial numbers and the girl doesn't even look middle eastern - this is likely a low budget "fantasy rape" porn flick with Latino actress.

Leon

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: kage69
You King George devotees make me sick.

NSFW! Caution: thread relevent pics of a graphic nature...


There's nothing quite like hearing you sick bastards defend and deny the tactics of Saddam.


Yikes. Way more there than I had heard about.

Cheney and Rumsfeld must be so proud.

Fake. Only fools would believe this.

 

[imported_gardener]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: cyclohexane
link

Explain to me why we aren't going after these soldiers? This is disgusting.

Where the hell have you been? The soldiers were already prosecuted. The commander was punished for allowing actions to take place, and his carreer was ended. One of the worst offenders received 10 years in Leavenworth.
The reason they were all prosecuted is the "authorized" enhanced interrogation did not apply to them, it was authorized for the CIA. These soldiers were just MPs. And even if it were authorized at Abu Ghraib, and authorized for MPs to perform (which it isnt, ever), they went WELL beyond anything that was authorized.

Who gives a damn who was authorized to commit war crimes, they are fucking war crimes. No soldier, outside of a halfwit punk or mercenary prick, would I expect to hear defend it.

Enhanced interrogation my ass, this was abuse, for sport.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: kage69
You King George devotees make me sick.

NSFW! Caution: thread relevent pics of a graphic nature...


There's nothing quite like hearing you sick bastards defend and deny the tactics of Saddam.


Yikes. Way more there than I had heard about.

Cheney and Rumsfeld must be so proud.

Fake. Only fools would believe this.

QFTW -- ALL Patriots know any reported abuse or torture alleged to have been committed by anyone associated with the USA is all fake

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: dahunan

QFTW -- ALL Patriots know any reported abuse or torture alleged to have been committed by anyone associated with the USA is all fake

You have come to realize the truth then. I applaud your efforts, dahunan, but you still have a long way to go.

 

[LTC8K6]

Those are photos from a porn site, I believe. They already tried to use them before. They have already been debunked, IIRC.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/fa...l-torture-scandal.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n...e.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38335

Not the best sources, but there was much more the first time they tried to say these were real photos.

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: gardener

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: cyclohexane
link

Explain to me why we aren't going after these soldiers? This is disgusting.

Where the hell have you been? The soldiers were already prosecuted. The commander was punished for allowing actions to take place, and his carreer was ended. One of the worst offenders received 10 years in Leavenworth.
The reason they were all prosecuted is the "authorized" enhanced interrogation did not apply to them, it was authorized for the CIA. These soldiers were just MPs. And even if it were authorized at Abu Ghraib, and authorized for MPs to perform (which it isnt, ever), they went WELL beyond anything that was authorized.

Who gives a damn who was authorized to commit war crimes, they are fucking war crimes. No soldier, outside of a halfwit punk or mercenary prick, would I expect to hear defend it.

Enhanced interrogation my ass, this was abuse, for sport.

That's exactly what it was, and that's why they were all punished.

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Where the hell have you been? The soldiers were already prosecuted. The commander was punished for allowing actions to take place, and his carreer was ended. One of the worst offenders received 10 years in Leavenworth.
The reason they were all prosecuted is the "authorized" enhanced interrogation did not apply to them, it was authorized for the CIA. These soldiers were just MPs. And even if it were authorized at Abu Ghraib, and authorized for MPs to perform (which it isnt, ever), they went WELL beyond anything that was authorized.

You wouldn't want to back your statement up would you?
How many were involved?
How many were plea bargained out? (slap on the wrist)
How many were given sentences?
How about putting up some real numbers?

-edit Wouldn't that be sad if only one soldier was found guilty

It doesnt take much to find the info. Here is a summary from wiki:

Colonel Thomas Pappas was relieved of his command on May 13, 2005 after receiving nonjudicial punishment on May 9, 2005 for two instances of dereliction, including that of allowing dogs to be present during interrogations. He was fined $8000 under the provisions of Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (nonjudicial punishment). He also received a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand (GOMOR) which effectively ends his military career.

Lieutenant Colonel Steven L. Jordan became the highest ranking Army officer to have charges brought against him in connection with the Abu Ghraib abuse on April 29, 2006.[51] Prior to his trial, eight of twelve charges against him were dismissed, two of the most serious after Major General George Fay admitted that he did not read Jordan his rights before interviewing him in reference to the abuses that had taken place. On August 28, 2007, Jordan was acquitted of all charges related to prisoner mistreatment and received a reprimand for disobeying an order not to discuss a 2004 investigation into the allegations.[52]

Specialist Charles Graner was found guilty on January 14, 2005 of conspiracy to maltreat detainees, failing to protect detainees from abuse, cruelty, and maltreatment, as well as charges of assault, indecency, adultery, and obstruction of justice. On January 15, 2005, he was sentenced to ten years in federal prison.[53]

Corporal Joshua Lee Betts, of the 321st Military Intelligence Battalion, Detachment 9, pled innocent on October 20, 2004 to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault, and numerous violations of Geneva Convention, and human rights violation. Cpl. Joshua Lee Betts was later cleared of all charges.

Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick pled guilty on October 20, 2004 to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault and committing an indecent act in exchange for other charges being dropped. His abuses included making three prisoners masturbate. He also punched one prisoner so hard in the chest that he needed resuscitation. He was sentenced to eight years in prison, forfeiture of pay, a dishonorable discharge and a reduction in rank to private.[54]

Sergeant Javal Davis pled guilty February 4, 2005 to dereliction of duty, making false official statements and battery. He was sentenced to six months in prison, a reduction in rank to private, and a bad conduct discharge.

Specialist Jeremy Sivits was sentenced on May 19, 2004 by a special court-martial to the maximum one-year sentence, in addition to being discharged for bad conduct and demoted, upon his plea of guilty.[55]

Specialist Armin Cruz of the 325th Military Intelligence Battalion was sentenced on September 11, 2004 to eight months confinement, reduction in rank to private and a bad conduct discharge in exchange for his testimony against other soldiers.[56]

Specialist Sabrina Harman was sentenced on May 17, 2005 to six months in prison and a bad conduct discharge after being convicted on six of the seven counts. She had faced a maximum sentence of 5 years.[57]

Specialist Megan Ambuhl was convicted on October 30, 2004, of dereliction of duty and sentenced to reduction in rank to private and loss of a half-month?s pay.[58]

Private First Class Lynndie England was convicted on September 26, 2005, of one count of conspiracy, four counts of maltreating detainees and one count of committing an indecent act. She was acquitted on a second conspiracy count. England had faced a maximum sentence of ten years. She was sentenced on September 27, 2005, to three years confinement, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to Private (E-1) and received a dishonorable discharge.[54]

Sergeant Santos Cardona was convicted of dereliction of duty and aggravated assault, the equivalent of a felony in the U.S. civilian justice system. He served 90 days of hard labor at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina. He was transferred to a new unit and was promoted to Sergeant. He is currently assigned to the 23rd MP Company that is presently staged in Kuwait as of November 2006. He has arrived in Kuwait with his unit and has been selected to train Iraqi police.[59]

Specialist Roman Krol pled guilty on February 1, 2005 to conspiracy and maltreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib. He was sentenced to ten months confinement, reduction in rank to private, and a bad conduct discharge.[60]

Specialist Israel Rivera, who was present during abuse on October 25, is under investigation but has not been charged and has testified against other soldiers.

Sergeant Michael Smith was found guilty on March 21, 2006 of two counts of prisoner maltreatment, one count of simple assault, one count of conspiracy to maltreat, one count of dereliction of duty and a final charge of an indecent act, and sentenced to 179 days in prison, a fine of $2,250, a demotion to private, and a bad conduct discharge.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fa...l-torture-scandal.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n...e.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38335

Not the best sources, but there was much more the first time they tried to say these were real photos.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...hotos-show-rape-1.html

The Daily Beast has confirmed that the photographs of abuses at Iraq?s Abu Ghraib prison which President Obama, in a reversal, decided not to release, depict sexually explicit acts, including a uniformed soldier receiving oral sex from a female prisoner, a government contractor engaged in an act of sodomy with a male prisoner and scenes of forced masturbation, forced exhibition and penetration involving phosphorous sticks and brooms.

These descriptions come on the heals of a British report yesterday about the photographs that contained some of these revelations?and whose credibility was questioned by the Pentagon.

The Daily Beast has obtained specific corroboration of the British account, which appeared in the London Daily Telegraph, from several reliable sources, including a highly credible senior military officer with first-hand knowledge who provided even more detail about the graphic photographs that have been withheld from the public by the Obama administration.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: AFMatt
snip

Sad isn't it
slap slap slap

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: AFMatt
snip

Sad isn't it
slap slap slap

I think the ring leader and worst offender got a bit more than a slap. Unless you think 8 and 10 years in federal prison like Leavenworth is just a slap? True, some of them did get off with lesser charges. If memory serves correctly, I believe more than one of them had letters home and testimony from the other guilty soldiers on their behalf that stated/showed they took part initially, before things evolved to severe beatings, forced masturbation, jamming stuff in their ass, etc, but when things got worse they were not cool with what was going on and didn't want to take part. Unfortunately for them, they didnt take things up the chain to try and stop it. And didn't England (one of the lucky ones to have her pick highlighted in the media) get lesser charges because of some mental issue?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: AFMatt
jamming stuff in their ass,

The new pictures will show more then batons being used for rape. This damage cannot be repaired. I believe rape is even a Capital offense in some states. In these cases it should be applied

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fa...l-torture-scandal.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n...e.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38335

Not the best sources, but there was much more the first time they tried to say these were real photos.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...hotos-show-rape-1.html

The Daily Beast has confirmed that the photographs of abuses at Iraq?s Abu Ghraib prison which President Obama, in a reversal, decided not to release, depict sexually explicit acts, including a uniformed soldier receiving oral sex from a female prisoner, a government contractor engaged in an act of sodomy with a male prisoner and scenes of forced masturbation, forced exhibition and penetration involving phosphorous sticks and brooms.

These descriptions come on the heals of a British report yesterday about the photographs that contained some of these revelations?and whose credibility was questioned by the Pentagon.

The Daily Beast has obtained specific corroboration of the British account, which appeared in the London Daily Telegraph, from several reliable sources, including a highly credible senior military officer with first-hand knowledge who provided even more detail about the graphic photographs that have been withheld from the public by the Obama administration.

Actually you know what, we KNOW worse stuff (including rape) is in those photos because even the REPUBLICANS (who saw those photos 5 years ago) have admitted that:

"Graham, speaking after Rumsfeld's Senate testimony, suggested that material in at least one tape held by Defense Department investigators could be by far the most-damaging yet to the U.S. military effort in Iraq and its prestige around the world. "The American public needs to understand, we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges,'' Graham said to reporters.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...ELD.TMP&type=printable

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fa...l-torture-scandal.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n...e.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38335

Not the best sources, but there was much more the first time they tried to say these were real photos.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...hotos-show-rape-1.html

The Daily Beast has confirmed that the photographs of abuses at Iraq?s Abu Ghraib prison which President Obama, in a reversal, decided not to release, depict sexually explicit acts, including a uniformed soldier receiving oral sex from a female prisoner, a government contractor engaged in an act of sodomy with a male prisoner and scenes of forced masturbation, forced exhibition and penetration involving phosphorous sticks and brooms.

These descriptions come on the heals of a British report yesterday about the photographs that contained some of these revelations?and whose credibility was questioned by the Pentagon.

The Daily Beast has obtained specific corroboration of the British account, which appeared in the London Daily Telegraph, from several reliable sources, including a highly credible senior military officer with first-hand knowledge who provided even more detail about the graphic photographs that have been withheld from the public by the Obama administration.

Actually you know what, we KNOW worse stuff (including rape) is in those photos because even the REPUBLICANS (who saw those photos 5 years ago) have admitted that:

"Graham, speaking after Rumsfeld's Senate testimony, suggested that material in at least one tape held by Defense Department investigators could be by far the most-damaging yet to the U.S. military effort in Iraq and its prestige around the world. "The American public needs to understand, we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges,'' Graham said to reporters.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...ELD.TMP&type=printable

Democrats are running the show, what's the hold up?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
In these cases it should be applied

I made this post under the heavy influence of booze and disgust and in the early morning light of day would like to retract it.
I don't believe in the death penalty and would rather take a bullet myself over applying it on anyone.
I'll now accept my toilet bound punishment for such a stupid post

 

[kage69]

I think there is a possibility that those photos in the link above are fake.

It's what I get for posting in a hurry whilst juggling links and attempting to give instructions on phone repair to someone in the next room!
Yes, those pics are fake. While the female involved does look Middle Eastern (although that's not proof in of itself obviously) the tell tale sign is you can see that one of the rapists is actually presenting her his kawk - correct me if I'm wrong, but if forcible and humiliating intercourse is the objective, why would you allow the victim to bite you?
There are supposedly lots of personal pics taken by military showing this kind of violence (some confiscated, some not) and I mistakenly thought that could be some of them. I feel dirty for linking that site now. I knew it was bad, but not that bad.

But the main issue here is that the USA, champion of human rights, who invaded and occupied Iraq over a variety of reasons (the "horrors of Saddam" being a popular one) has in fact been caught using the same Saddam-esque techniques - and not just by a few ground level personnel. This was directed from the top, and we're to believe it was justified and made America safer.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: jonks
I don't see what the big deal is. Just soldiers blowing off steam is all

"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of emotional release?" -- (Guess who!)

Who?