pete6032
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Do you have a study to back up that assertion? Because most studies conclude no difference in nutritional quality of cheap eggs versus organic or free range eggs.
I think being obese damages the brain's frontal lobe or something, where the brain thinks that if you go a few hours without eating, you may not survive long. So the person just keeps on eating.
Not sure if this is the same as the frontal lobe: Obesity and the 'self-control' brain area: What is the link? (medicalnewstoday.com)
Not sure if this is the same as the frontal lobe: Obesity and the 'self-control' brain area: What is the link? (medicalnewstoday.com)
Muse
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Thanks, I'll watch those videos, and hunt for Jason Fung videos.
I take a D3 capsule daily (I get some sun too, but there won't be nearly as much as winter sets in) along with adult multi-vitamin (Costco), 1000mg C, glucosamine and a probiotic capsule.
When I was a kid, a young kid they AFAIK had not "invented" sugar coated breakfast cereals. They (we) had Rice Krispies, corn flakes, Cheerios (which I occasionally still do have a bowl of with non-fat milk).
I went through a phase a few years ago when I tried a lot of the favored new breakfast cereals, sugary, tasty, yep. I was curious, but I gave it up, realizing that stuff isn't healthy at all.
I do eat carbs, probably too much, but I limit it. My overall health is pretty good, and I'm pretty active (maybe not enough, I don't know, but I can do things that I figure very few people my age can dream of), so I don't feel compelled to be stringent in my diet. But weight control is a big concern for me. I lost some weight but have stalled and am looking to reduce a lot more, maybe 30 lb. more, at which point I'd be pretty stringy.
Captante
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Kids cereal is insane .... MOST of them not only is sugar directly the number one or at best the number two ingredient behind whatever grain, if you read down the list you'll discover 3-4 additional ingredients which ARE sugar. (ie: High fructose corn syrup)
I recall being upset when my parents wouldn't let me eat Fruit Loops for breakfast as a kid but now I get it.... might as well throw your kid a spoon and let him/her go to town on the sugar-bowl!
Drink avocado shake (only water and avocado) for 5 days straight with a handful of salted nuts per day and plenty of water. My friend managed to control his bulging belly with that. You can repeat this every 15 days.
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I keep avocados on hand, haven't had them in a shake. During warmer weather I like a smoothy after my 10 miles skate, typically, being ~10oz DIY kefir (from starter), a couple of frozen bananas and an ounce or two of frozen blueberries. I may or may not add some frozen pineapple.
I keep mixed nuts that I roast myself and mix myself (hazelnuts, almonds, pecans, cashews, walnuts, pistachios) and they're all unsalted except the shelled pistachios (I try to keep my sodium intake in check). I allow myself one ounce a day of the nut mix. I also allow myself ~1.65oz of these, a favorite, which I toast in my toaster oven just before consumption, I get them cheap at Costco when they go on sale (which happens a couple times a year):
Late July Organic Multigrain Tortilla Chips, Sea Salt, 28 oz
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Yeah but that five day diet calls for ONLY avocado/water/some salted nuts per day. You can increase Avocado to three times a day but nuts must remain limited. The idea is to go into ketosis and burn off fat as much as possible. I have the Keyto device and by the end of 2nd day, I would easily score 7 out of a maximum 8 on it doing that diet. On the third day, your mind feels super sharp and the hunger pangs don't really bother you anymore. It's an awesome feeling.
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Cleansing, fasting fad diets like keto etc long-term are all bullshit. I suggest getting your health information someplace other than social media.
You could try strict portion-control which actually DOES WORK .... thing is you need to actually stick with it for it to be effective. That is the issue most of the time since it requires owning your choices which for human beings can prove challenging.
(far easier to blame someone/something else which naturally is beyond your control)
You could try strict portion-control which actually DOES WORK .... thing is you need to actually stick with it for it to be effective. That is the issue most of the time since it requires owning your choices which for human beings can prove challenging.
(far easier to blame someone/something else which naturally is beyond your control)
Long term keto would be akin to a prison sentence (though Halle Berry swears by it). The 5 day Avocado/nut diet is meant to improve gut health and can even be done just once a year, though benefits are greater with greater frequency.
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That diet specifically and for only 5 days wouldn't likely do any harm at least.
However unless you really like avocado and nuts I wouldn't bother. Eat sufficient fiber on a regular basis instead and there will be very little to "cleanse" from your gut in the first place.
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Didn't know you had a thing for him. Salty's got an admirer!
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Keto is closer to helpful than the standard fare of advice. For some individuals like Logan Sneed, it's the only thing stopping him from dying from brain cancer.
Kavinski's avocado plan is not totally out there. It's a basically a lighter way to fast, although it doesn't have to be avocadoes.
My three-day fasting mimicking diet experiment
Fasting for improved health and body composition is all the rage these days —but I’m an eater.
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Keto is closer to helpful than the standard fare of advice. For some individuals like Logan Sneed, it's the only thing stopping him from dying from brain cancer.
Kavinski's avocado plan is not totally out there. It's a basically a lighter way to fast, although it doesn't have to be avocadoes.
My three-day fasting mimicking diet experiment
Fasting for improved health and body composition is all the rage these days —but I’m an eater.medium.com
All depends on what advice you call "standard".... I think if you look into what really is advised by nutrition experts as a healthy diet you'll see things have changed quite a bit since "food-pyramid" days.
Aside from treating specific conditions short term and under medical supervision, any fad diet that focus's on very limited foods only isn't a great idea.
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They psychological effect is still there. Feels great "complete" when something starchy goes down the chute, be it French toast, pancakes, etc. The ones who can somewhat get away with eating carbs are those who work physically a lot or have genetics that lead to an efficient metabolism and avoid maladjusted eating. The feeling of being "incomplete" doesn't want to go away even with the consumption of very tasty foods like bacon and other meats while cutting out starch.
My mother's a bit of the same, except even less flexible. Tell her to stop eating rice, and the retort is that then there's going to be no energy for the day.
I happen to have a really good metabolism to get away weight-wise with eating rice, bread, spaghetti back in the day. But the foods I eat generally always had some sort of starch, regardless of the ethnic source, whether it's the Chinese cuisine my mom cooked or more "American" foods. If it was Chinese food, rice was going to be a part of the meal some way. Even the stir-fry utilizes starch via cornstarch coating the meat; it serves as "insulation" to keep the meat tender during the frying process. If there was a soup, often potatoes and/or rice would be a component to give some "feel good life" to the meal.
Now, I also preferences with regards to the carbs I ate. I did not like cake for the most part. The cheaper icing-based cakes are overwhelmingly sweet and in a nasty way. DIdn't like milk and cereal for the most part, unless it was some Cinnamon cereal+sugar flavor. Sodas were not regularly drank because they simply got tiresome after a 2-liter bottle. Both me and my mom actually like ramen like Maruchan. Rice was good with meat. I had a strong affinity for. Spaghetti with sauce
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Never seen this before, a double post with 15 other posts by the same person in between.
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What about brownies? "Denser" cakes are hard to eat and swallow. But soft and spongy cakes just melt in the mouth and they aren't always too sweet. Depends on the baker.
You might find this interesting: Free Program Intro: McDougall Diet | Dr. McDougall (drmcdougall.com)
List of recommended foods for this diet:
Starch Staples - Dr. McDougall (drmcdougall.com)
Fruits and Vegetables McDougall Diet | Dr. McDougall (drmcdougall.com)
Acceptable supermarket foods: Acceptable Canned and Packaged Foods - Dr. McDougall (drmcdougall.com)
Forbidden foods: List of Foods Not Allowed | Dr. McDougall (drmcdougall.com)
Recipes: Recipes Archive - Dr. McDougall (drmcdougall.com)
Parameters to track: Track Your Progress - Dr. McDougall (drmcdougall.com)
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That does happen, I've seen that numerous times. Makes you wonder if it posted. I think at least sometimes it has. Seems to be a glitch in forum software.
nakedfrog
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I do find it interesting that when I was obese, I was typically hungry most of the time.
Now that I'm a healthy weight, it's not that difficult to feel full and then not be hungry for hours.
What's the source for this claim that Americans are eating 6-10 times as much protein as necessary?
That seems an awful lot, and difficult to do.
Per this: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096
The recommended amount is 0.8g per kg of body weight/0.36g per pound. For me, that's about 59g of protein (which is roughly in line with how much I do eat, in general). I'm not sure how I could even eat 360g of protein in a day, that's a LOT of protein.
I found this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18469286/
Which does not support the 6-10x claim. Other sources seem to indicate an average intake of 100g per day.
You would have to ask McDougall about that.
I found this, though: https://qz.com/1669418/the-problem-with-americas-protein-diet-obsession/
nakedfrog
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You're the one that cited it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Even that link only states that Americans consume twice the recommended amount:
That link goes to Harvard, same as the one I posted, except their link is dead and just goes to the nutrition topic.
And, of course, ALSO from that article you just linked...
Let's assume that when he says 6 to 10 times more, maybe his recommended amount is really low, like possibly 10 to 15g per day.
Now before you think that's absurd, watch this:
He mentions in the video that mTor is one of the metabolic pathways used by the body for self-repair, and eating too much protein disrupts or inhibits the mTor pathway, leading to accumulated damage to cells and tissues in the body.
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1. I suggest listening to a different Doc. Someone like Ford Brewer, who went into preventative medicine after getting tired of people in ER dying. He studied at Hopkins back in the day He has more personal experience, discovering he had insulin resistance despite being mostly plant-based for most of his life(still is, but the macro emphasis changed and eats some salmon). Tested his arteries and found his scores were not good, and that's why he changed to low carb. And his patients are getting results.
2. Sounds like FUD to me. Did they distinguish between poorly prepared protein and chemical adulterants(Sodium phosphate, nitrate, nitrate) vs home-cooked, better prepared foods? There is a big difference between Kraft tier cheese and real, Irish cheddar. Don't get me started with deli meat. Buddig is all hot garbage. Like eat rubberized something something with salt. Maybe over 20-25 years since I ate it but the revulsion remains. Never mind that sometimes unhealthy is pleasure...like grilled meats over charcoals....
3. Restaurant meat is shit because the cooking oil is subjected to brutal conditions for its chemical properties(veggie oil is inherently less stable than mono- and fully saturated fats) and there are suspect antioxidants(because the processing removed vitamin E.
4. I just made some home meat peanut butter(maybe 10 oz) and had to stop eating with a ton left in the blender because I got the "stuffed feeling" even if it is a tasty delight. Overeating protein and fat is tough to do without help from carbohydrates.
5. Meanwhile non-alcaholic fatty liver disease is real and fructose is metabolized in a manner similar to alcohol. Yes, it is much harder to overdose by consuming fruit alone rather that HFCS or sucrose, but if enough is eaten, even fruit can cause it. And a continually large enough dosage of sugar even from fruit means that the fat in the liver is stopped from being metabolized since insulin blocks lipolysis.
6. I do like some brownies. Haven't eaten one in years though, even before my dental wake-up call though. It's not something I would go out of my way to buy. I preferred Gatorades and muscle milks back then.
7. This dude sounds like a vegan promoting a high net carb diet. I cannot accept such recommendations, especially a ban on fish. Suffering from a bout of long COVID symptoms(maybe gum disease aiding in the symptoms, who knows), I ate a can of sardines in EVOO (and seafood in general) for maybe the first time in three years and the next day, I notice an immediate and obvious "lifting" of the haze. I don't believe it was D3 present in that food, because I was getting plenty of that via the milk.
8. Prior to that, I had eaten numerous foods from all types of sources to no effect. Whole wheat pasta, blackberries, Oatmeal, bacon, pork chops, ground beef, lactose-free milk, Walmart fried chicken, lots of store salads with greens like lettuce.
9.Veganism is sustainable only modern society because supplements for certain critical vitamins can be processed from usually inedible sources, like lichens or sheep wool. Vegetarianism is bit healthier.
10. Veganism as promote by the Western loonies that follow it also eschew salt, which means eliminating numerous savory dishes and fermented foods. The cultural insensitivity is not intentional, but nevertheless a clear indicator that vegans have no interest in anthropology or actually eating like a foreign culture. Yeah, that store-bought salted Chinese radish( with MSG), while maybe of lower quality, is an approximation what those people in Guizhou and Sichuan actually eat.
11. Forbidding chocolate is a lol. It contains a high amount of stearic acid, and numerous antioxidants. The common sugary chocolate kills the metabolic gains from the stearic acid in chocolate because the insulin response tells fat cells to store that fat. However, in a low carb state, stearic acid improves mitochondrial metabolism of fat, and there is a proper clinical trial done to prove that. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05614-6
12. Eggs- I am not entirely against avoiding some eggs if someone chooses to. I hated cheapo eggs due to taste and "smell" alone. But the best-raised chickens produce quality eggs(pastured ones) and the essentially gives a fat-soluble supervitamin(A, D if the chicken gets sunlight, E, K2) and omega-3s like DHA and EPA.
13. I do agree with Mcdougall about avoiding white rice, white flour, and cola.
14. I disagree at least partially about caffeinated drinks: green tea, I would drink.
15. Butter and cheese - only if its the cheapest grade like Kraft cheese. That isn't worth eating. But something like actual aged cheddar? I'll eat those things. Store butter is still better than vegetable oils and keeps better over time.
16. Yogurt and Sour Cream - complete disagreement.
17. High carb diets are a false sense of security, and exploit the general populace ignorance and difficulty in understanding mundane yet a little more advanced concepts.
18. The massive contradiction in the original food pyramid should have been obvious to intellectuals. Sweets then contained sucrose, which gets cleaved into fructose and glucose. Grains(white grains then) contain digestible saccharides, which mostly gets converted into glucose. So on the one hand, there is advice to avoid one source of carbohydrates while on the other hand, to eat a difference source of glucose with greater emphasis than all other foods, even vegetables.
19. Density is a ratio. But what matters is energy total. Carbohydrates encourage constant repeat eating alone or the other macros. Carbohydrates also delay the satiation triggers that fat and protein activate by increasing appetite.
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Triglycerides being high is an indicator and is the result of insulin resistance. Blood doesn't have high TG unless the fat that winds up there cannot go into fat cells. The fat cells have storage capacity like a hard drive, and when they fill up, that's when the receptors start losing effectiveness.
nakedfrog
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10-15g of protein is an amazingly low amount of protein to eat daily, honestly I think it would be kind of ridiculous to consider that a recommended amount. I'd need to see a lot of peer reviewed studies to believe that to be reliable data.
I will not be watching your video, I'll be happy to read an article though.
That one anecdotal case of someone recovering from Bright's disease 80 years ago due to a low protein diet isn't exactly a "slam dunk".
As mentioned, I eat about the recommended amount, and I'm in very good health, so there's my personal anecdote.
Edit: Oh, wait a minute, you're that numerology guy. Yeah, we're done here.
OK what you say about me, but that video you refused to see is made by an award-winning Ph.D.
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