I think you need a reality check there bud.
You get what you pay for. There is a reason it is 500 less.
and the reason is ? I'm talking about a similarly configured AlienWare system (AGP, A64 3500+, socket 939) - obviously you can't argue the components would be better cause these are top components for sure. In fact AlienWare is more likely to cut more corners because their target market is the clueless high end buyers, where the boutique builders like ABS also target the knoledgable enthusiasts who don't mind paying a little more to avoid the DIY hassles (but these shoppers still know their components!). Only difference may be better or more reliable warranty of the AlienWare, right ? IMO it's not worth it. Anyways, AlienWare buyers are the laughing stock around here, while whoever buys something like this is not.
if someone where looking for a prebuild system this would be a pretty good deal, but for the general AT population that are DIYers it isn't that good since a better system can be built for less.
the reason its 500 less is because your not paying for the alienware name, there is nothing inately special about alienware, other than them being especially expensive.
the reason its 500 less is because your not paying for the alienware name, there is nothing inately special about alienware, other than them being especially expensive.
OMFG. This guy MUST work for Newegg. Have you ever heard of Monarchcomputer.com? Have you ever heard of Custom BUilt COMPUTERS THERE?
Have you ever heard of:
DFI Ultra-D
Athlon 64 3500+
1 GIg Corsair TwinX
NEC DVDRW
200 gb HD
6800GT PCI-E (eVGA)
Win XP Home
Antec Sonata
Free Napter, Farcry, Half Life 2
ALL RETAIL, Built, and tested for ~1420?!?!
For 1600 I can, easily build me an SLI rig. Please stop advertising Newegg, thanks.
While we're at it, lets try:
www.ibuypower.com
www.cyberpower.com
www.dell.com
And a million others who will give you a better price and components YOU CHOOSE.
Have you ever heard of:
DFI Ultra-D
Athlon 64 3500+
1 GIg Corsair TwinX
NEC DVDRW
200 gb HD
6800GT PCI-E (eVGA)
Win XP Home
Antec Sonata
Free Napter, Farcry, Half Life 2
ALL RETAIL, Built, and tested for ~1420?!?!
For 1600 I can, easily build me an SLI rig. Please stop advertising Newegg, thanks.
While we're at it, lets try:
www.ibuypower.com
www.cyberpower.com
www.dell.com
And a million others who will give you a better price and components YOU CHOOSE.
ABS Computers was taking full page color ads in Computer Shopper as far back as 1996 or 1997.
ABS Computers started Newegg.com and Chiefvalue, or some former employees of ABS did, I forget which.
ABS Computers started Newegg.com and Chiefvalue, or some former employees of ABS did, I forget which.
Melchior, didn't you say the Asus A8V Deluxe is a "POS mobo" ? Your credibility is zero and you just showed you're a complete noob as well as a moron to call Asus mobo "POS". It just proves that you say things without researching or checking before hand, therefore I put zero weight on what you have to say. And yeah, while it's possible to build or even order a custom built PC for a little less, this is by no means a bad deal. And BTW, you zero noob, you compare Antec Sonata case w/350W previous gen PSU, to the Tsunami aluminum case with a True550 PSU ? Also you're setup is missing a second DVD-ROM a floppy, and a HSF !! And your hardrive is probably not SATA, right ? it's easy to cheat and cut corners, but it's also easy to see right thru your cluelessness and cheap tricks.......[pwned]
Thanks You Sir ! I agree ABS is a standout among the boutique builders. In fact, I'm sure you poeple can order a custom built SLI rig for about as much as it would cost to build it. Now that would be really something, as last year when I contemplated the question of building vs ordering a custom PC, I looked up CyberPower which are known to be REALLY REALLY cheap, and it was at least $300 more then building it myself, plus they don't really let you choose all the components (or you have a limited choice, like only between 2-3 motherboards, or only a few cases). And Dell, let's not get into that junk, and anyway they don't even offer AMD CPUs.
I don't know that ABS is a stand-out, I only know they have been in business for a number of years and that ABS has some relationship with Newegg (and Chiefvalue).
well, the point is not if a 550W psu is really required or not, but the ABS system includes a rather expensive Antec TruePower 550 PSU and a Top of the Line ThermalTake Tsunami Dream case, which together cost around $250. Now the Antec Sonata is a nice case, but is a little short for Dream Machine duty: first, it's a mid-tower, it only comes with a single fan, it's made of steel, no side window, average cooling and internal air flow with the rotated drive cage, it has ugly holes in the side which let out noise but don't provide enough cooling, no exhaust on top either, and don't even hope for a slide out motherboard tray. Nice black paint job, so overall an good case but nothing special. How can you compare this with the fuil tower Tsunami Dream ??!?!?!?!
Dude... your last post makes you sound like a used car salesman. Someone brought up a review that killed your argument for the PSU... so what do you do?
You talk about the shiny case and ohh.. all the lights and bells and whistles... will it walk my dog too? Jeez.
This deal is moderately warm for people who don't want to go through the hassle of building a new rig and having to test all the parts and do a proper burn in.
But in the end... all your posts turn people away because you reek of fanboism. Sorry dude... I dunno if you work for newegg or not... or if they gave you a bunch of free case stickers... but no need to go around giving them an unneeded blowjob about how GREAT their system is when most people will decide for themselves.
P.S. the case they supply is a midtower case.. not a full one
You talk about the shiny case and ohh.. all the lights and bells and whistles... will it walk my dog too? Jeez.
This deal is moderately warm for people who don't want to go through the hassle of building a new rig and having to test all the parts and do a proper burn in.
But in the end... all your posts turn people away because you reek of fanboism. Sorry dude... I dunno if you work for newegg or not... or if they gave you a bunch of free case stickers... but no need to go around giving them an unneeded blowjob about how GREAT their system is when most people will decide for themselves.
P.S. the case they supply is a midtower case.. not a full one
I was just defending the validity of this deal against some people that said it's "POS". I'm not a blind fanboy, I just think this is one heck of a system for a very reasonable price. And to the guy that wanted a SLI system - ABS have the "Ultimate M6-64" which has the absolute top in components - get this: FX-55, Asus A8N-SLI, 2x6800U SLI, 2x160GB 7200rpm sata raid-0, Audigy2 ZS, and a custom made full tower case on wheels ! (all the rest of the components are like the M5 system). See what Maximum PC had to say about it:
"This system?s biggest selling point, of course, is its price: It?s practically a bargain at $3,600. Compare that with the $6,000 Voodoo Rage F:5 and the $6,100 Kick Ass Gaming PC Katana SLI we reviewed in March, or even the $4,775 Velocity Micro Raptor 64 Dual X we reviewed in February. And when you consider that PCI-E 6800 Ultra cards cost as much as $700 on the street, fully half the price of the Ultimate M6 lies just in videocards.
The Ultimate M6 would easily score a Kick-Ass award if the lower-rated Kaos hadn?t spoiled its day in the sun by acing it in two applications benchmarks. But for gamers hell-bent on frame rates, the Ultimate M6 is the ultimate bargain. "
"This system?s biggest selling point, of course, is its price: It?s practically a bargain at $3,600. Compare that with the $6,000 Voodoo Rage F:5 and the $6,100 Kick Ass Gaming PC Katana SLI we reviewed in March, or even the $4,775 Velocity Micro Raptor 64 Dual X we reviewed in February. And when you consider that PCI-E 6800 Ultra cards cost as much as $700 on the street, fully half the price of the Ultimate M6 lies just in videocards.
The Ultimate M6 would easily score a Kick-Ass award if the lower-rated Kaos hadn?t spoiled its day in the sun by acing it in two applications benchmarks. But for gamers hell-bent on frame rates, the Ultimate M6 is the ultimate bargain. "
Everybody has their own opinions so let us decide! We already know you have decided it's a hot deal, no need trying to persuade otherwise.
Yes, the A8V IS a POS mobo. You don't agree? Sorry, I'm not paying the same price for a VIA chipset with tons of issues, when I can get a better Nforce 3. Oh, and this is last a generation motherboard with AGP. You want to buy one? Try the FS/FT forums for 75 bucks. Or Ebay for 90 bucks.
If you want to, you can configure the Monarch with the Tsunami case, and it would STILL BE LESS. WTF do you want more? You got the best freaken NF4 motherboard that is non SLI, you get Free games, and you get upgradeability.
I'm sorry, your hot deal is NOT HOT. IT is average JOE SHMOE I CAN DO IT NEDAY @ ANY Custom BUILD SITE for LESS & BETTER COMPONENTS.
Holy crap, I don't understand what this guy doesn't understand. You can also buy this thing for 10% off with your American Express Card. (Monarch).
As for your ABS SLI rig, that's just laughable. A top of the line SLI should be achievable EASILY for under 2k. Whats 3.6K? Its a Dual Opteron system w/ SLI and SCSI.
I doubt that this can be considered hot since even a really cursory pricing of the components is going to be cheaper than what they want, but in reality if you were to build a system yourself you'd probably find low-priced components as they come along...
For example, I scored a video card that Newegg sells for $299 for $200 flat (it's a 256MB version of a 6800NU-the Gainward board). Similarly you can look for deals on stuff, and make good substitutions.
For example, the TwinMOS 1GB kit and a motherboard that can supply the volts would actually be just as good as the Corsair C2 stuff for less than half the price. Or if you don't care to overclock, the G.Skill Cas2 valueram is also less than half the price and will run the same timings at stock. Since overclocking the Corsairs much would either not occur or need a ton of volts anyway, I don't really see why you would actually pick this component if you were going for value.
And at various times the 6800GT has been cheaper, so if you time it right you could probably pick one up for a bit less. The A8V is also not a motherboard that I'd pay $122 for, it's not a horrible board like some people suggest, and is even a decent OCer board, but there are better options out there for similar money. So...all in all, it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to build a system for $1350 that would be almost identical or better.
I guess the real question is if that's worth the price difference to you then, and if that exact configuration is what you wanted. Because if I was building a system I sure as heck would buy a slower CPU and just overclock and save some more on top of the RAM savings, and I probably wouldn't buy a $100 case either, and I think having a DVD-ROm and a DVD burner is very redundant since-unlike CDs-you can't direct copy most DVDs (although I suppose you could direct copy data DVD-ROMs but really, when are you ever going to do that), so that $30 is pretty much a waste, and while the hard drive isn't priced bad in your list a better price could be had anyway.
And for the more adventurous folks soldering and whatnot isn't out of the question, although I guess that's too extreme for most people (although I am considering doing a capacitor mod to my 6800NU =p)
For example, I scored a video card that Newegg sells for $299 for $200 flat (it's a 256MB version of a 6800NU-the Gainward board). Similarly you can look for deals on stuff, and make good substitutions.
For example, the TwinMOS 1GB kit and a motherboard that can supply the volts would actually be just as good as the Corsair C2 stuff for less than half the price. Or if you don't care to overclock, the G.Skill Cas2 valueram is also less than half the price and will run the same timings at stock. Since overclocking the Corsairs much would either not occur or need a ton of volts anyway, I don't really see why you would actually pick this component if you were going for value.
And at various times the 6800GT has been cheaper, so if you time it right you could probably pick one up for a bit less. The A8V is also not a motherboard that I'd pay $122 for, it's not a horrible board like some people suggest, and is even a decent OCer board, but there are better options out there for similar money. So...all in all, it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to build a system for $1350 that would be almost identical or better.
I guess the real question is if that's worth the price difference to you then, and if that exact configuration is what you wanted. Because if I was building a system I sure as heck would buy a slower CPU and just overclock and save some more on top of the RAM savings, and I probably wouldn't buy a $100 case either, and I think having a DVD-ROm and a DVD burner is very redundant since-unlike CDs-you can't direct copy most DVDs (although I suppose you could direct copy data DVD-ROMs but really, when are you ever going to do that), so that $30 is pretty much a waste, and while the hard drive isn't priced bad in your list a better price could be had anyway.
And for the more adventurous folks soldering and whatnot isn't out of the question, although I guess that's too extreme for most people (although I am considering doing a capacitor mod to my 6800NU =p)
uOpt
Golden Member
- Oct 19, 2004
- 1,628
- 0
- 0
In newegg's defense, this system does at least have a good case and good ventilation (not sure the silentpcreview.com crowd agrees with anything thermaltake being good but certainly better than no name) and you know exactly what each component is, down to manufracturer and specific model.
DVD drive and DVD burner is what I have, although I do not copy video CDs and although my Linux and FreeBSD systems could do that with no trouble. I have that combo so that I can watch a DVD movie and all the while put in one DVD after another to do a backup. Previously I had to copy the movie to the harddrive or use a drive over the network.
DVD drive and DVD burner is what I have, although I do not copy video CDs and although my Linux and FreeBSD systems could do that with no trouble. I have that combo so that I can watch a DVD movie and all the while put in one DVD after another to do a backup. Previously I had to copy the movie to the harddrive or use a drive over the network.
WTF no Raptor? The machine actually isn't that bad, it just isn't a deal. It does have problems though, XP HOME, SONY dvd drives (EWWWW dirty) Besides those, for a last gen AGP system it isn't all that bad, it just isn't all that great either.
don't forget AGP is NOT ANY SLOWER than pci-e. This will be as fast (or within 1-2%) of the top of the line pci-e NF4 machine with the same video card (in pci-e). So except for future upgradibility wrt pci-e expansion cards, it's really very competetive performance wise with any similar pci-e machine (despite what some clueless people say that A8V is a not a good mobo, all the reviews actually recommend it. K8T800 is as good as NF3 and NF4 in all the published benchmarks in reviews).
CyperPower/ ABS and all those other companies do have great deals for those who don't know how to build their own system. You might beable to score a dell with coupons/rebates, but the deal is still warm to very warm.
I'd personally get a nforce board instead, b/c of reliability and a good looking case.
I'd personally get a nforce board instead, b/c of reliability and a good looking case.
btw, I went to Monarch and configured the system to exactly match the ABS one. You left a few components out and in some cases chose cheaper ones, but I chose exactly the same ones. My final quote from Monarch (with the "build fee" included) is $1560 plus $45 for shipping. So it comes down to almost the exact same shipped price as the newegg deal.
Only that the Monarch PC doesn't include on-site service, it only has mail-in warranty service (on site is $80 extra). Also I trust the build quality of ABS far more then the monarch technician (when's the last time you heard about a Monarch PC getting awards - that is, except from their hornet box?). Monarch does give you the 2 free games though. And mind you - the monarch price is equal to exactly the components price + $49 build fee. there is no other overhead. So it's quite impressive that you get the ABS computer for the price, in effect paying them only $49 for building it.
So you can still argue about the choice of components, but at least it shows you that ABS price is pretty much the components price plus a very small margin.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 23K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter