Abramoff-linked probe focuses on 5 lawmakers

[conjur]

Except the Dem Senators probably didn't guarantee action in exchange. That's what we don't know. That's what is hugely in doubt but you're assuming they were right with the Republican Senators/Representatives in offering something in return, which *has* been shown in the evidence.

There's been no evidence pointing to Dems offering votes or contracts for money.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: conjur
Except the Dem Senators probably didn't guarantee action in exchange. That's what we don't know. That's what is hugely in doubt but you're assuming they were right with the Republican Senators/Representatives in offering something in return, which *has* been shown in the evidence.

There's been no evidence pointing to Dems offering votes or contracts for money.

Let the investigation play out. It will get good.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Liberal Media at play, apparently some 'Liberal Media' people are in fact Partisan Hacks:

Ed Henry of CNN

and

Anne Kornblut of NYT

made false and baseless accusations agoainst Democrats, and said that they had taken some big Abramoff Buck$.

Reference contributor list says that they didn't - Question: is this verbal looseness grounds for slander or libel ?
Or can the press get a 'Pass' if they perpetuate a vicious rumor mill for their political allies.
Swiftboat Mentality

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz
Scuze me while I whip this out:

Scuze me while I whip this out:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/6/100900.shtml



BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: conjur
Balanced? By posting BS? You call that balance? Puh-leeze. Tell palehorse or WyteWatt or whatever other Freeper pointed you here they did you a disservice. We don't put up with BS here.

Please do not throw personal attacks at me in threads that I'm not even a part of. Take it to Private Messages

 

[smashp]

The Bottom Line is, Back when Newt was in charge of the congress, The Gop strategerized by getting their hands more involved in lobbing groups. Getting staffers jobs with lobbing groups, only giving groups the time of day that Hire "republicans"

in 1994, democrats held half of the top jobs at the major lobbing firms.

Now 33 of the 36 top jobs at the major lobbing firms are held by republicans.


They have created a "Pay to Play" system


Well Time for those to "Pay" because they have "Played" too long.

then we need lobbing reform.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Liberal Media at play, apparently some 'Liberal Media' people are in fact Partisan Hacks:

Ed Henry of CNN

and

Anne Kornblut of NYT

made false and baseless accusations agoainst Democrats, and said that they had taken some big Abramoff Buck$.

Reference contributor list says that they didn't - Question: is this verbal looseness grounds for slander or libel ?
Or can the press get a 'Pass' if they perpetuate a vicious rumor mill for their political allies.
Swiftboat Mentality

Truthiness ?

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe Dems are "linked" to Abramoff much the same way that Saddam was "linked" to Al Qaeda...

And the part everybody seems to rather willfully missing is that money per se isn't the issue, it's how those funds are directed and what sort of understanding comes with them... using so-called charities as pass thru conduits is apparently illegal, as are a variety of other ploys used by Abramoff & friends... sending $190K in corporate funds to the RNC and getting back $190K in funds for Texas State Candidates is likely illegal, too, at least in Texas...

And it will all depend on what sort of testimony is provided to fit into the money trail, too- I hope these guys are well protected and healthy, and that everybody who makes a testimony/plea agreement serves their time and grows old afterwards- wouldn't want anything to happen to them...

 

[BBond]

There are Democrats who received money from Abramoff interests but they are FAR fewer in number than the myriad Republicans involved. It strikes me as very odd that the focus would be on the Democrats while the Republicans are being largely ignored. Where are all of those self-righteous Republicans who attacked the Democrats for being corrupt and demanded we "clean House" back in the early 90's?

As usual, when the shoe is on their foot suddenly corruption isn't a big problem. Just like deficits were only a problem when Democrats were in power. Only thing is, on top of being more corrupt than any administration in history, these clowns are hypocrites as well.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Today I heard a radio ad that made me laugh, it said Harry Reid is going to speak in Boise in the near future. The ad stated that Harry reid had accepted bribes from Indicted Felon Jack Abramoff, and that we shouldn't accept that kind of hypocrisy in Idaho, and to boycott his speech. Paid for by the Republican National Party ...

If Harry Reid is found guilty, fry him along with everyone else, but for our state party to tie Ambramoff strictly to democrats is down right deceitful, especially considering I saw both of my states Reps on the Abramoff receipt list.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Today I heard a radio ad that made me laugh, it said Harry Reid is going to speak in Boise in the near future. The ad stated that Harry reid had accepted bribes from Indicted Felon Jack Abramoff, and that we shouldn't accept that kind of hypocrisy in Idaho, and to boycott his speech. Paid for by the Republican National Party ...

If Harry Reid is found guilty, fry him along with everyone else, but for our state party to tie Ambramoff strictly to democrats is down right deceitful, especially considering I saw both of my states Reps on the Abramoff receipt list.

runzwithsizorz only posts a quarter (IIRC) of the list because the list he posted was written by the Republican National Committee.

Hey runswithsizorz, why don't you post the complete list?

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: jrenz
I've been reading many threads for some time now after linked here by a friend of mine, so I am aware of the political agendas of some of the more prominent members I just thought I would try to bring a more balanced and fair viewpoint, as it seems that's a lacking feature here sometimes

There has never really been a balance here, but it is fun to stoke the flames every once and awhile.

Thanks for admitting you and your Republican neo con friends are a bunch of trolls. Fun to stoke the flames indeed. At least the mods know why you post. ty. bu bye and kmfa.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
This scandal (along with DeLay) puts to shame the railroading of the Democrats by the Republicans in the early 90s re: the House Bank. That was pretty much a non-event but the Republicans spun it that the Democrats were evil and vile and took over the Congress.

In less than a dozen years the GOP took the scandal trophy in a BIG way.

Oh? Bouncing checks when the govt cant pay their bills is now a non-event?

Keep that in mind when whining about deficit spending please.

Drop in the bucket compared to the billions Bush has wasted in Iraq.

 

[BBond]

I found two lists so far that the RNC hasn't posted here.


CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION SEARCH

Complete list of contributions from tribes

I'm sure there are more.

 

[BBond]

Here's another...

Jack Abramoff Lobbying and Political Contributions, 1999 - 2006*

 

[BBond]

Still wanna' "clean House"???

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Originally posted by: BBond
Still wanna' "clean House"???

By cleaning house, do you mean getting rid of the corrupt, inept, self serving, arrogant, overpaid, entrenched, and uncaring politicos on both sides of the aisle. And replace them with decent, honest, hard working, God fearing folk, who?s only goal is to take to Washington the wishes of me, my neighbors, my neighborhood, my city, state, and country? YOU BETCHA!!!!

But then again; I?m Batman

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: BBond
I found two lists so far that the RNC hasn't posted here.


CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION SEARCH

Complete list of contributions from tribes

I'm sure there are more.

Hmm...I wonder why ol' Mitch McConnell (my illustrious Republican yes-man Senator) would take money from Indian Tribes OUTSIDE of our state. Seems McConnell was voted into office to represent his state, not the state of Mississippi.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz

Originally posted by: BBond
Still wanna' "clean House"???

By cleaning house, do you mean getting rid of the corrupt, inept, self serving, arrogant, overpaid, entrenched, and uncaring politicos on both sides of the aisle. And replace them with decent, honest, hard working, God fearing folk, who?s only goal is to take to Washington the wishes of me, my neighbors, my neighborhood, my city, state, and country? YOU BETCHA!!!!

But then again; I?m Batman

Cleaning up both sides of the aisle is fine with me. As far as replacing them with "God fearing folk" -- that's mixing religion with government and I don't approve of that.

The points I'm making are these: the Republicans gained control of Congress on an anti-corruption campaign and now just a few years later they're worse than the Democrats ever were and the vast majority of the members who were involved with this Abramoff scandal were Republican yet the focus is on the far fewer Democrats. Combine those facts and you most likely end up with Democrats taking the fall more that Republicans because if it's done fairly the Republican Party would lose control of Congress.

With control of Congress at stake I don't trust the Republican controlled Congress to do the right thing. After all, they're corrupt.

Let's name a truly independent prosecutor to clean up government without any party in control of the investigation and none of those famous Republican classified for their own protection documents either.

Let's give an independent prosecutor the kind of power Bush is trying to grab and then let the chips fall where they may.

First thing they should do is imprison every lobbyist in America. If ever there was an invitation to corruption, lobbying is it. No change in laws, no oversight, nothing, just shut them down now.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz

Originally posted by: BBond
Still wanna' "clean House"???

By cleaning house, do you mean getting rid of the corrupt, inept, self serving, arrogant, overpaid, entrenched, and uncaring politicos on both sides of the aisle. And replace them with decent, honest, hard working, God fearing folk, who?s only goal is to take to Washington the wishes of me, my neighbors, my neighborhood, my city, state, and country? YOU BETCHA!!!!

But then again; I?m Batman

Cleaning up both sides of the aisle is fine with me. As far as replacing them with "God fearing folk" -- that's mixing religion with government and I don't approve of that.

The points I'm making are these: the Republicans gained control of Congress on an anti-corruption campaign and now just a few years later they're worse than the Democrats ever were and the vast majority of the members who were involved with this Abramoff scandal were Republican yet the focus is on the far fewer Democrats. Combine those facts and you most likely end up with Democrats taking the fall more that Republicans because if it's done fairly the Republican Party would lose control of Congress.

With control of Congress at stake I don't trust the Republican controlled Congress to do the right thing. After all, they're corrupt.

Let's name a truly independent prosecutor to clean up government without any party in control of the investigation and none of those famous Republican classified for their own protection documents either.

Let's give an independent prosecutor the kind of power Bush is trying to grab and then let the chips fall where they may.

First thing they should do is imprison every lobbyist in America. If ever there was an invitation to corruption, lobbying is it. No change in laws, no oversight, nothing, just shut them down now.

:thumbsup: :beer:

 

[marincounty]

quote: "Let's name a truly independent prosecutor to clean up government without any party in control of the investigation and none of those famous Republican classified for their own protection documents either.

Let's give an independent prosecutor the kind of power Bush is trying to grab and then let the chips fall where they may. "

Yes, let's have a truly independent special prosecutor to investigate this, just like the Lewinsky episode.
We need an independent, non-partisan guy like Ken Starr......I've got it,
Eliot Spitzer

 

[Engineer]

Ney to step aside on committee...