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About to pull the trigger for an LCD... got a few question for LCD owners.

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deanx0r

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I currently own a Mitsubishi 2070SB (22in CRT) and am growing tired of it. I am thinking about switching to an LCD display but I am rather sceptical about them after a rather bad experience with a Viewsonic VX900 19in LCD almost 2 years ago.

I read Anand's article about LCDs and there are a few points they didn't discuss about LCD.

Scaling. I realize that LCD is a fixed pixel tech, and that LCD display will look the best only in its native resolution. It's not a problem in windows, but most computers wont be able to keep up with high native resolutions (1280x1024 and higher) as games are more and more demanding.

My VX900 scaled poorly in windows, and it was more or less the same in games. How is the latest crop of LCDs?

Motion blur with fast FPS such as Unreal Tournament. That was the reason why I returned my Viewsonic. It was rated 25ms, but was absolutely unable to keep up with fast mouse movement in UT. Anand rates panels such as the Dell 2001FP or Samsung 193P as great for gaming with minimal motion blur. I am still sceptical about it...

What are your personal experience with LCDs and fast FPS? Is motion blur still there?

Widescreen LCDs... Love those Apple HD Cinema display... anything similar for windows? ^_^
 
Copy+paste from another thread I posted in:



I'd ordered a 2001FP a few weeks ago, but after testing out my brother's in person (he got his first), I decided there was too much ghosting and/or lag for me, especially to fork over $650 and considering my current monitor still works fine. So I cancelled my order and I'm still on a 17" CRT at the moment, but at least I'm not broke. 😛
 
I haven't play games for a while, only because there isn't anything really interesting, I play cs off my fp2000 and fp2001.. it not bad but yeah, ghosting.. the only benefit of lcd is the light weight.. other than that.. I would use a crt.. Wait till 1ms screens..
 
SynthDude2001

Most reviews will claim that the Dell 2001FP is top notch for gaming, yet a bunch of users claim to see ghosting on it.

It was the same thing when I bought my VX900... minimal ghosting... my experience proved it wrong.

Anyone got similar experience with the Samsung 193P? (my current top choice).

What about scaling? (very important to me!).
 
well ive moved from what u could call a cheap skate crt to a what i consider high end (in prrice lol tft) i spent bout £300 on a iiyama prolite E431S. this is my first tft and all i have to compare it too is a LG crt which looks pale in comparison and my sh!te sampo alph scan, the two crts could supposedly manage 12x10 but only at a yukky 60hz, and the alpha scan could never actually do the 12x10

i love this tft, it doesnt ghost, (from what i percieve with my eyes) it nice and bright, evenly lit, still bit of tearing in games but u get that on a crt too, and the clarity is awesome....tho sometimes in CS it feels like im doin 30fps when really my 6800gt is pushing close to 100.

nothing major tho ... and ontop of all this it saves so much space.

UT2004 is perfect.
Doom3 (okay its not as black as a crt) but it look wicked
farcry....i was blown away
splintercell PT was suprisingly good
HL2.....jus well it looks like a photo
 
I've gone thru 3 21" CRT's since the mid 90's (2 viewsonics, 1 ibm(trinitron). I'm currently using a 2001FP and a Philips 1704W. I'd say 75% of the time I'm doing 2d stuff (db dev, cad, etc). Not too much gaming. I'd say that the two main reasons for switching to LCDs are:

1) space savings: those 21" crt's basically define the layout of your workspace due to their size. Now I've got the 2001FP on a monitor arm and the 1704W wall mounted just to one side of that.

2) eyestrain: lcd's, despite their tendancy towards more visible pixels, are easier on the eyes than crts.

If you've got the space and are interested in high quality images, proper scaling, and fast refresh rates, I think you're probably better off with a nice CRT. Just make sure you use a good cabling scheme... don't run 1600x1200 thru a standard db-15 cable. Make sure the CRT you get has either BNC connectors or perhaps a DVI-A connector.

One thing I'd suggest is taking a look at a trinitron(sony) based crt. I think the models you listed are all invar-shadow mask tubes. I was really surprised when I switched from the viewsonics to the ibm. The aperture grille tube was a LOT brighter and the perceived dot pitch was much finer. You just have to get used to those two horizontal stabilizer wires, which are really only visible on bright solid backgrounds.
 
The only reason why I would switch to a LCD display is for looks and aesthetics.

Do I really care if they have to burn more coal at the power plant to run my CRT? No.

LCD's were first made because a survey from a corporate foundation stated that it increased productivity of their employees. Which is the same exact reason why they started making larger CRT screens other than 15 in'. The real money for these companies like Sony and Samsung were always from corporations.

If it isn't for office use, stick with the CRT.
 
1) space savings: those 21" crt's basically define the layout of your workspace due to their size. Now I've got the 2001FP on a monitor arm and the 1704W wall mounted just to one side of that.
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A nice and larger desk cost less than a 650 dollar LCD.
 
For games CRTs are still on top so if your most into games then you might be better off sticking with what you have.

My personal experience is this...I sold my Sony G520P 21" monitor and bought a Dell 2001FP, World of Warcraft, EQ2 , Half-Life, UT2K4, Doom 3 all look great on the 2001FP and the first few hours of
gaming to some getting used to but after that its been all smooth sailing..games look good enough for me so thats all that matters.
But for text and web browsing duties like reading here at Aandtech forums is great though ..the LCD does text better and its easier on my eyes.
I game maybe 1 hour a day and I web browse more like 4 hours a day.

Still though it may not work out for you as it did for me so if your into games heavy stay with your CRT.
 
BTW for gaming the 2001FP does not ghost or lag at all , I think the bottleneck is still the video card/system.
 

UT2004 is perfect.
Doom3 (okay its not as black as a crt) but it look wicked
farcry....i was blown away
splintercell PT was suprisingly good
HL2.....jus well it looks like a photo
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Nice rundown , I agree and it really comes down to this...black scenes suffer and outdoor , bright scenes are incredible...actually some scenes look better on an LCD than a CRT could ever look.

Overall though a CRT is more balanced for pure gaming.


That being said, my 2001FP is here to stay. I could easily sell it and buy any CRT I want but that is not going to happen.
 
Originally posted by: Regs
1) space savings: those 21" crt's basically define the layout of your workspace due to their size. Now I've got the 2001FP on a monitor arm and the 1704W wall mounted just to one side of that.
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A nice and larger desk cost less than a 650 dollar LCD.
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A larger room to fit that larger desk in costs way more than 650 dollars.
 
Originally posted by: BentValve
BTW for gaming the 2001FP does not ghost or lag at all , I think the bottleneck is still the video card/system.
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Another thing is not everyone has the same eye sight.. some people can notice ghost/lag while others doesn't.. ie most people dont see the same shade of color...
 
What about running games in non-native resolution? How do they usually look like with the new monitors?

No one bothered answering this question so far :/
 
I have the Sharp 19" LL19AW that was reviewed on this site.

It's nice, has a max res of 1280x1024. I think people didn't answer the question of running in different resolutions, because we run at the max and leave it there. For me, I have it at 1280x1024 and that's what I run all games at. I never tried running UT2K4 at anything lower.

There are tradeoffs, takes a while to get used too, it has a weird effect on your eyes at first. Colors are very bright, especially in games. Mine is 16ms, so I don't see ghosting in games. If I'm on a web page and scroll the mouse real fast, there is some ghosting until it catches up. Positives, it takes less desk space, less heat, less power. Negatives, it will eventually wear out and there is no way to fix it. After a few years, it will end up in the dumpster.

 
Originally posted by: deanx0r
What about running games in non-native resolution? How do they usually look like with the new monitors?

No one bothered answering this question so far :/
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I noticed that the 2001FP actually looked pretty decent when scaling resolutions. That said....the ghosting still killed it for me.
 
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