I wouldn't have a problem with people doing this sort of thing if it did not have a negative impact on the fun of other legit players, but it does. I have already justified why in other posts. Some are in this thread and some are in others that were made recently so I am not going to repeat it here. The point is that it happens, many others agree, and it is all because people are impatient. It's not because of their lack of time to play. I don't have all that much time either.
I wouldn't have a problem with people doing this sort of thing if it did not have a negative impact on the fun of other legit players, but it does. I have already justified why in other posts. Some are in this thread and some are in others that were made recently so I am not going to repeat it here. The point is that it happens, many others agree, and it is all because people are impatient. It's not because of their lack of time to play. I don't have all that much time either.
Fingolfin269
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Would you be opposed if Blizzard offered to sell people specific non-economy items for real life cash? For example, Blizz posts s a news item stating 'In the next patch, players will be allowed to buy the epic flying skill for $100'. This does not flood the economy with excess gold and it does not involve a botting program.
shortylickens
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Thats why I dont understand and cant enjoy MMO's.
They have to keep you playing for as many months as possible so they just make it a big ol' grind. And that grind feels an aweful lot like work.
I dont understand why anybody would actually pay money to WORK. And its boring, monotonous work at that.
Paying real money for anything in WoW would be like paying real money for horse armor in Oblivion, oops!
Thats another thing I dont like.
The whole concept of constantly milking players for money has bled over into the real gaming community now. Fucking Bethesda wants me to pay an extra 2 bucks for every silly little add-on they come up with.
LAME.
I can go to the Elder Scrolls Nexus and get thousands of good add-ons free.
I understand executives are cold, heartless bastards and they all wanna be as rich as Bill Cosby by the time they're 30, but this is getting stupid.
No.
The argument is bad because most games other than MMOs are FUN when you are getting those things. The problem with most MMOs is that you have to work, and most people do not associate work with games or fun.
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Maybe someone needs to combine the play for free and pay to play mmorpg.
Let those that want to skip levels pay for the privilege and let those who just want to play without paying do so.
I can see the ad now "Our New MMORPG features the LVL100 instant gratification option, for just 99.95 you too can be LVL100 as fast as your credit card can clear our banks !"
Let those that want to skip levels pay for the privilege and let those who just want to play without paying do so.
I can see the ad now "Our New MMORPG features the LVL100 instant gratification option, for just 99.95 you too can be LVL100 as fast as your credit card can clear our banks !"
Baked
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Because they are stupid or lack patience. Gold making in WoW is ridiculously easy, so is leveling compared to the other big name MMORPGs. The only thing that's hard about organizing raids and have everybody in the raid do their job. If you're good at making gold and good at playing your role in a raid, WoW gets gold really really fast.
Yes, I would be opposed because doing so takes away the value from those items, skills, and achievements. This fictional value exists and has rules associated with for a reason and that reason is that it makes the game a lot more fun to play for most people. I realize that for the people who wish to pay for such things, that part of the game is not fun for them but no matter how you slice it those parts are cornerstones to WoW. Not enjoying a part of a game that is kind of a side element and still playing is one thing. Not enjoying one or more cornerstone elements and believe that the way the game works should be changed due to that is not the right way to go. The right way is for people like that to spend their time playing different games and leaving this game to those who actually enjoy playing it for what it is.
Fingolfin269
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What rules??? Seriously, this goes back to some of the high end raiders who complain that other people get to go to places like BT without attunement processes. How does it directly affect your enjoyment of the game if some other person, who you don't even know, is flying on an epic mount? If gold is as easy to obtain then why is it suddenly an 'achievement' to be able to hand 5K to a trainer?
I'd argue that many (most?) players value their character's level / power, which can be viewed as a function of their own personal skill and dedication (time). By allowing this power to be achieved without either input, they must feel it cheapens their 'success' or 'accomplishments'.
There is a difference. I don't believe that players should be too restricted when it comes to being able to experience content. Hardcore raiders are a minority and I do not believe that Blizzard should appeal to a minority like that. In addition, those who wish to just buy their way to the top using real life currency are also a minority. They may not be as much of a minority as hardcore raiders but they are still a minority in this game. The vast majority of subscribers do not want this feature to exist.
The reason why things like mounts, gear, and levels are fun to obtain has a lot to do with how challenging it is to obtain it. This kind of fun is a mind game 100%. When you really think about it, getting piece of gear which adds a minor increase to your performance isn't that big of a deal but the fact that it is somewhat hard to do and there are no shortcuts creates a sense of value and purpose. For a great many people, knowing that you can simply pay a little cash to get those things makes the obtaining of said items much less fun. I am sure you will probably think that is stupid and it shouldn't matter, but it does to most players so deal with it or play something else.
This is correct. The game just wouldn't be fun if the feelings of success and accomplishment are cheapened too much. This is why the hardcore raiders are upset. However, while I can understand their pain to a degree, there is a majority to consider. Besides, Blizz is fixing all of that for them in the next xpack with the 25/10 man raid thing they are doing. Once WotLK is released, the only reason these raiders will have to be upset is because more people are able to experience the lore and content which I believe everyone who pays should have the right to do should they be willing to spend at least some time making it happen.
Fingolfin269
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I'm pretty sure most would agree that gold is easy to obtain now. If this is the case then riding skill (I'm not talking about the mount itself) should not really be considered a 'challenge'.
No big deal here man. We'll never agree on this issue so let's just agree to disagree. For one, I'm looking forward to Teron Gorefiend in a few hours.
I finally got my chest piece off of Supremus last night woo!:beer:
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I'm pretty sure most would agree that gold is easy to obtain now. If this is the case then riding skill (I'm not talking about the mount itself) should not really be considered a 'challenge'.
No big deal here man. We'll never agree on this issue so let's just agree to disagree. For one, I'm looking forward to Teron Gorefiend in a few hours.
:beer:
Ya, I agree with you there. I kind of looked at 2.4 as being the patch which basically gave everyone just about everything that they wanted no matter how casual you are while still giving the hardcore people some stuff to do. The easy gold has destroyed the value of anything which can be purchased with it, but at this point I really don't mind. I had my fun with it for a while and WotLK will reestablish that fun. If they offered the gold/gear selling service you mentioned then that means the fun would never return though.
Anyways, I'll have that drink with you. :beer:
Remember, this is code for win with Gorefiend:
5 4 3333 3333 3333 5 4 3333 3333
If you switch targets fast enough and hit those keys then you win.
Aikouka
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I find it a tad bit funny how people value leveling (in WoW) so much in this thread when the sentiments in the overbearing stickied WoW thread (in this sub-forum) say things along the lines of, "the game doesn't start until 70." With remarks like that, how can you blame someone for "cheating" to get to 70? If I already have a 70 (insert class here) and make another one on a different server to play with a friend, what's the point of going through the leveling grind again? If people believe that the leveling grind helps attune you with your character's abilities and their uses in PVE and PVP (in all facets), then what's the point? Also, Blizzard obviously doesn't think that's required as the Death Knight will be made at level 55 with only a few quests to introduce you to your skills rather than 54 levels. The only requirement for getting one of those bad boys is to have a character already at level 55, which doesn't necessarily prove diddly squat for how good the person is.
In essence, leveling in WoW is worthless for quite a few of the players out there. I have 7 70's (only two being of the same class), 1 64, 1 63 and others... you going to tell me that I need to level again to understand my class? It's sad when I have to tell a person in a group how to play his class correctly. Also note that I've never cheated to level a character, but God, it'd be so nice not to have to level again.
In essence, leveling in WoW is worthless for quite a few of the players out there. I have 7 70's (only two being of the same class), 1 64, 1 63 and others... you going to tell me that I need to level again to understand my class? It's sad when I have to tell a person in a group how to play his class correctly. Also note that I've never cheated to level a character, but God, it'd be so nice not to have to level again
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coloumb
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What if the gold you bought was stolen from an account that was hacked? This is precisely how a lot of the gold seller's operate. An account gets hacked, gold farmer sells tfr's the gold/items to other accounts [most of the items are posted on the ah] and sometimes sells off the gear as well as use one of your character's to farm [they'll go as far as to change the spec for farming purposes].
I have two lines of thought on that.
Why I would strongly support Blizz in banning these people- we had a shammy join our guild once a while back, he was half epicd out in welfare epics and the rest filled in with quest blues- elemental shammies are at a premium on my server so we were just going to gear him up. He comes into his first raid with us, he was elemental so he was given his totem assignment(no pally with a few 1K dps toons and Kara geared tanks, tranquil air) and these were repeated to him over and over again- we chain pull when we are going through so it wasn't until after Huntsman we stopped to confront him as to why he didn't drop TA once for that whole series(not to mention he was pushing 100dps...) he said he wasn't specced for it at first(we all laughed) and then we told him where it would be in his spellbook- he had never trained it nor did he ever train bloodlust(!). After talking to him for a few it was clear that he was a botted toon(/gkick). He is the one I remember in guild, I run into them in pugs all the time. Yelling at a mage why he didn't sheep his mob, replying with 'I'm not specced for that'- meh. These people piss me off to no end and just make it so for the most part I won't ever run anything with people I don't know.
On the other side- I have another guildy who is simply bad @ss at every toon he plays, always has been. He hasn't ever used a bot, but all the toons he has taken to 70 he absolutely excels with(pushing 1200hps on a resto shammy- with one blue and everything else green- 1800dps in T4 with his lock etc). He has a druid on another server packing T6 gear, he doesn't want to pay for the character transfer and he doesn't want to level another druid(which I can completely appreciate). For guys like him, or you, I think there should be a game mechanic that allows you to start out with a high level toon for any class you have already rolled to 70. Maybe let people pick up at 68 in greens for a class they have rolled to 70 on another server. Here Blizzard has nothing they offer, which makes the botting seem a bit less horrible(not that it isn't wrong, but I can see a somewhat legit resoning behind it).
Aikouka
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I think you'll find that almost anywhere... there'll always be those players that you just wish you could /ban immediately because they're what make the game worse (through whatever means) and those that the constant grind actually makes the game a tad bit intolerable for them. I won't say I'm the best player out there, but I put time into learning things, go into situations with an open mind (to criticism, etc) and take the time to help teach other players. I remember when I left my other server... some people actually asked what happened to me because they used to look up to me as a rogue... brings a tear to my eye .
Oh but now I'm just rambling haha. I just don't see how some can really defend leveling in all cases when they try and stress that the game begins at max level. I always enjoy leveling up at least once or twice, but after that, it becomes so redundant that the only way I can enjoy myself is to take on challenges. Even though WotLK will be more leveling, I'm super excited for it. Girls may give me a weird look for perusing over the Death Knight talent trees to try to figure out good builds (a little hard when you've never played one). Let me tell you... it actually seems a little hard to find a build that screams, "hai2u... PVP with me!," with the Death Knight. Blizzard says unholy is the PVP spec, but some talents in Blood seem to look pretty decent for PVP. Probably will just end up being Unholy/Blood. Although let me tell you, Blood-specced Death Knights will be sought after in raids with their Hysteria buff (raises damage by 20% on a friendly target for 30 seconds but deals 1% hp every second)... I can see it being quite nice on a rogue combined with Heroism/Bloodlust .
But I also have a feeling that Mark of Blood will be popular in PVP. Here's a sort of "beta build" since I don't know how good some of the abilities are (so their talents could be equally as worthless):
http://war-tools.darlinganime.com/i...&b=630250150202c1zl30335231031105101153100350
Thoughts?
EDIT: Actually, I missed the limit of 300 (lol) on the Mark of Blood. I really hope that's a Rank 1....
.Oh but now I'm just rambling haha. I just don't see how some can really defend leveling in all cases when they try and stress that the game begins at max level. I always enjoy leveling up at least once or twice, but after that, it becomes so redundant that the only way I can enjoy myself is to take on challenges. Even though WotLK will be more leveling, I'm super excited for it. Girls may give me a weird look for perusing over the Death Knight talent trees to try to figure out good builds (a little hard when you've never played one
). Let me tell you... it actually seems a little hard to find a build that screams, "hai2u... PVP with me!," with the Death Knight. Blizzard says unholy is the PVP spec, but some talents in Blood seem to look pretty decent for PVP. Probably will just end up being Unholy/Blood. Although let me tell you, Blood-specced Death Knights will be sought after in raids with their Hysteria buff (raises damage by 20% on a friendly target for 30 seconds but deals 1% hp every second)... I can see it being quite nice on a rogue combined with Heroism/Bloodlust .But I also have a feeling that Mark of Blood will be popular in PVP. Here's a sort of "beta build" since I don't know how good some of the abilities are (so their talents could be equally as worthless):
http://war-tools.darlinganime.com/i...&b=630250150202c1zl30335231031105101153100350
Thoughts?
EDIT: Actually, I missed the limit of 300 (lol) on the Mark of Blood. I really hope that's a Rank 1....
The bots don't bother me near as much as the big headed people with master looter that cheat and take loot from players because they "won too much" on runs, or they think they have more time in the game than you, or have been in the guild longer. I have several 70's and enjoyed the game but I don't stay in guilds because they always want to gear someone else before me, which is nonsense. I put way too many hours in to have some big headed loser master loot a t4 item that I rolled on and won to one of there alts or friends, or after you win 2 items on a run say you won too much when the t4 drops in kara. I go months without a drop sometimes and when its my lucky night you better give me what I won, even it its 4 drops on 1 run! This is why I recently quit this game, I think its funny now to read about the bots, they get what they deserve, more cheaters to play with. Blizzard could fix this giving players the option to pass but take away master looter privileges which is the right to cheat, and I told them when they mail me my t4 I will start playing again, but there customer service sucks and they support the cheating. Now I know here come the flames that this is the way guilds progress, but I have seen many guild gear a couple tanks only to have them leave or gear the gm only to have them gdisband and steal the works. This would not happen if they geared everyone equally and would not really slow progression. It would assure everyone was geared before moving on instead of a chosen few.
Aikouka
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But how is giving you "4 drops on 1 run!" gearing up everybody equally? Frankly, I hate people that still roll on an item when they already won something. I hate people that take something that isn't really designed for their class. Like my new lowbie lock was in SM Graveyard. The shoulders dropped off Thalnos. There was a mage in there and I passed. You know why? Theys be more suited for a mage than for me (unless I was destro, but I'm not ). Although I would've liked a "thanks, you're the coolest", but I didn't even get that . But yeah, typically if you get something, you should try to let someone else (who also needs the item) have a chance at it. If no one really needs it and you already won something, then go for it since it's more of a freebie for anyone in that case.
Also, it's not Blizzard's fault that you get into crappy guilds or crappy PUGs. If you don't agree with the loot setup, leave.
I can say that the more you focus on loot, the worse the game will become for you. Of course, the phat purpz are quite nice, but the game becomes pretty fucking unbearable when you just focus on that stuff. Best to just focus on havin' fun.
). Although I would've liked a "thanks, you're the coolest", but I didn't even get that . But yeah, typically if you get something, you should try to let someone else (who also needs the item) have a chance at it. If no one really needs it and you already won something, then go for it since it's more of a freebie for anyone in that case.Also, it's not Blizzard's fault that you get into crappy guilds or crappy PUGs. If you don't agree with the loot setup, leave.
I can say that the more you focus on loot, the worse the game will become for you. Of course, the phat purpz are quite nice, but the game becomes pretty fucking unbearable when you just focus on that stuff. Best to just focus on havin' fun.
If you don't stay in a guild for long, why would they want to get you geared? What purpose would it serve them to get you all geared out over someone who has put in a lot of time and effort in helping the guild progress, and more importantly, someone who is going to stick around and help them get further.
We have had people get 6 drops in one Kara run before, because they had put in their time in the guild and had bad luck on drops, and then they got lucky(one of our hunters- good player who had lousy luck for a long time), but we wouldn't have even considered it for someone who was just making a quick pit stop in our guild.
What class are you? Getting so upset about losing out on T4 is rather amusing to me. Our server has pugs clearing all of the T4 content pretty much daily, it is very, very easy stuff.
If you can't tank a boss, you can't kill it. Tanks(MTs particularly) should always get geared first- and no, I am not a tank, but I'm not a moron either. Then you have the people who are going to put the gear to use the best. If you are a dps in Kara pushing less then 500dps then epics are clearly wasted on you(at 70 in absolute garbage gear you should have no problem clearing that- my tree in healing gear can hit about that full resto). Also, if you are the type to take a bunch of epics then show up without gems, or poorly done and show up with items without the proper enchants/glyphs/patches then you would be less likely to get gear in most guilds.
Any decent guild is going to want to help out the guild as a whole. Yes, you are right, sometimes guilds fall apart due to bad leadership, it happens. That doesn't mean that every guild should operate in an ignorant manner. A lot of guilds have trouble because of people like you, you are the type of player GMs try hard to stay away from. A loot whore with an attitude problem who loves drama.
BTW- Tier4 is absolute crap. If you are seriously whining about losing out on it then no, you haven't put much effort in to your character. Even if you have never been allowed to step foot in a raid, the badge gear is better.
Wow, lot's of big headed master looters attacking me as I said I would get flamed, I actually have 9 70's and know more about the game and can craft more items than most guilds, for you to personally attack me and say things like my dps is low without knowing me or having played with me is ignorance on your part and I sense some guilt that you are trying to relieve yourself of.
No I would not roll on anything that was suited for another class that needed it worse, and when you have 9 70's it takes longer to gear them all up, especially when people like you ninja there drops. And I would have stayed in guilds long and seen end game with them helping them to advance IF they hadn't cheated and took my drops for themselves. One guild actually put everyone on vent on mute except for 3 self centered losers that master looted the warlock staff off high king while I was typing I am glitched in this wall please summon me out before you loot, and said they didn't notice chat till after they were done, I quit after that, Another guild said my priest had mana conservation problems while ninja'ing the healer drops to themselves off gruul's and VR, gee with more int, spirit and MP5 I wouldn't have had that problem, and even though they had the better gear I was top on the healing charts (the reason I was out of mana, I was actually healing people, duh).
A big part of this game is advancing, which you have to have gear to do, so ninja'ing people drops is a way to keep them from advancing, I have 5 of my toons full t4 or better , have bought all the epics from AH I can, crafted upgrades, bought badge gear and done bg's for gems or pieces of gear that never drop for me. However when I apply to the guilds that run BT etc they say they want t6, well if I had t6 I wouldnt need to run with them would I?
I have one of each class and am quite an expert at wow actually, guilds got real jealous and it intimidates them when I tell them I had 9 70's, made comments about how I don't have a life and said ya but they arent geared, I have heard it all. The truth is they wish they had 9 and I also believe thats why they take my drops becuase if I had the gear I would be better than them which hurts there egos, so they make sure I dont get gear better than theres or even as good with master looter.
I also always ask can I roll on my class drops before joining a pug or filling in on a guild run that needs me to fill a spot, and if they ever said there was a limit or I couldn't I don't join. When I have on blue beastmaster gloves and t4 drops and they say roll, and I do and win, and then they say, hey you know what you already won too much (a axe and a chest that were hunter only drops with me being the only one that could use them), we are giving it to the mage which is one of there alts it is cheating.
Cheaters have to cheat so their gear is better and they can sit in SW and show everyone look at my cool gear while they should be helping other people get theres but dont since they don't need it anymore.
And the people that defend guild saying that is fine for them to cheat have some serious problems or dont have the time to actually play the game and get the drops fairly.
AND IF T4 IS SUCH CRAP, WHY DO THEY KEEP STEALING IT FROM ME?
Also, the game is real simple to play, almost anyone can mash the buttons, read about the boss fights and advance IF THEY HAVE THE GEAR, this is not a accomplishment unless you are counting the manipulation of other people to get what you want at there expense a good thing.
No I would not roll on anything that was suited for another class that needed it worse, and when you have 9 70's it takes longer to gear them all up, especially when people like you ninja there drops. And I would have stayed in guilds long and seen end game with them helping them to advance IF they hadn't cheated and took my drops for themselves. One guild actually put everyone on vent on mute except for 3 self centered losers that master looted the warlock staff off high king while I was typing I am glitched in this wall please summon me out before you loot, and said they didn't notice chat till after they were done, I quit after that, Another guild said my priest had mana conservation problems while ninja'ing the healer drops to themselves off gruul's and VR, gee with more int, spirit and MP5 I wouldn't have had that problem, and even though they had the better gear I was top on the healing charts (the reason I was out of mana, I was actually healing people, duh).
A big part of this game is advancing, which you have to have gear to do, so ninja'ing people drops is a way to keep them from advancing, I have 5 of my toons full t4 or better , have bought all the epics from AH I can, crafted upgrades, bought badge gear and done bg's for gems or pieces of gear that never drop for me. However when I apply to the guilds that run BT etc they say they want t6, well if I had t6 I wouldnt need to run with them would I?
I have one of each class and am quite an expert at wow actually, guilds got real jealous and it intimidates them when I tell them I had 9 70's, made comments about how I don't have a life and said ya but they arent geared, I have heard it all. The truth is they wish they had 9 and I also believe thats why they take my drops becuase if I had the gear I would be better than them which hurts there egos, so they make sure I dont get gear better than theres or even as good with master looter.
I also always ask can I roll on my class drops before joining a pug or filling in on a guild run that needs me to fill a spot, and if they ever said there was a limit or I couldn't I don't join. When I have on blue beastmaster gloves and t4 drops and they say roll, and I do and win, and then they say, hey you know what you already won too much (a axe and a chest that were hunter only drops with me being the only one that could use them), we are giving it to the mage which is one of there alts it is cheating.
Cheaters have to cheat so their gear is better and they can sit in SW and show everyone look at my cool gear while they should be helping other people get theres but dont since they don't need it anymore.
And the people that defend guild saying that is fine for them to cheat have some serious problems or dont have the time to actually play the game and get the drops fairly.
AND IF T4 IS SUCH CRAP, WHY DO THEY KEEP STEALING IT FROM ME?
Also, the game is real simple to play, almost anyone can mash the buttons, read about the boss fights and advance IF THEY HAVE THE GEAR, this is not a accomplishment unless you are counting the manipulation of other people to get what you want at there expense a good thing.
Michael Donnelly and all the American kiddies/adults who bought his software are just as big a group of farmers as the Chinese. In fact many people here in the States farm gold and sell it to the farming operations online. A few that I knew were so good at it that it helped them pay part of their college expenses.
Is English you 3rd or 4th language? Noone said your dps was low. Go ahead, read through it again, although you do make it seem like it is without saying what you are pushing for numbers. It isn't hard to do. Having 9 70s means absolutely nothing except you have put in a lot of time with the game, it amounts to nada as far as player skill. We had a guy that had 8 70s in our guild before, couldn't play any of them for crap. Of course, we had another guy that had 6 who played all of them extremely well. Not saying having a lot of 70s makes you a bad player, but it in no way whatsoever makes you good.
I don't ninja anything, don't need to. I stick with one guild for a long period of time, I put in the work to help the guild out, farmed a few K G worth of mats to gear the tanks for Hydros, spent the time farming out exalted with all the factions so I would have every rep chant for the guild the day they became available, and do and spec however the guild needs me to whenever they need me to. I also don't whine about loot, although that isn't tollerated in our guild. If you complain about a piece of loot, you will lose your raid spot, to a pug spot if necessary. If you are a repeat offender, gkick. Our guild uses open rolls with very limited exceptions- the tanks auto get loot first- you can't kill what you can't tank.
HKM doesn't drop a warlock staff, neither does Gruul.
I have a healer, if you go OOM that is your fault. T4 and most of T5 is inferior to PMC+Whitemend for MP5. The really sad thing, VR is a 6 minute fight- how on Earth are you going OOM on a 6 minute fight? I can't manage it on my mage with molten armor and 0 mp5. Pot as soon and as often as you can, use your clearcast proc whenever it is up and pop your shad fiend early in the fight. There is simply no reason to go OOM on a fight that short.
Skill>>>>>>Gear for healing, dps and tanking somewhat(you absolutely need a certain level of gear as a tank, much less so for the other classes).
Why would a guild want you? Listen to yourself. It seems like the only thing you care about is your loot. Why would anyone want someone like you in their guild? If you have as much badge and crafted gear as you say you do, the fact that you went OOM on VR would likely make you the poorest priest I have ever heard of. Not trying to insult you, but how is it even possible to manage that? You just spamming CoH or something?
Based on what you have said you have a priest packing an IOP of 800 that goes OOM on VR, hard to believe they are worried about you being better then them.
Reality check for you- most high end guilds care about what bosses they have gotten down, not what their own personal gear is from those bosses. Gear is a method to reach the ends, not the other way around. If you thought along those lines, I can assure you you would find much better results in the game.
You have already stated that you have gotten all the badge and crafted gear, show me a single piece of T4 that is CLOSE to as good as the best badge or crafted gear. Link it up for me, I want to see it.
By your own admission you went OOM on the easiest and one of the shortest T5 bosses. That isn't an issue of gear, that is you mashing buttons. You may know the strat, you may be able to drop big heals, not going OOM is where the skill comes in.
You first insulted me like I was not english speaking, wait a minute I have college degrees, do you? I was born here and am american, are you? Are you racist if I wasn't? Again opening your big mouth before you know who you are talking to.
I guess it was gruul who dropped the staff, excuse me, want to fight about it?
Every single thing you said is taken out of context and completely wrong, like when you said I said I have a mana conservation problem and run out of mana, no I had lesser gear and had to use pots, and I wasn't the one who said I had the problem, it was the GM who stole all the gear and didn't want to help pay for or farm pots I needed to keep people alive. She didn't have to use them because she had better gear, also that was a long time ago, I have better gear now on some players, some were still getting ninjad out of drops by people like you and your guilds. And guilds want me, I don't want any part of them and there unfair looting policies, if the loot isn't important and they dont care about it, why do they steal it all!
Like I said I quit this game glad I did with people like you still playing it, I could fight every single point you made but not going to waste my time.
Also I know for a fact that several guilds have people that actually farm t6 players to sell on ebay and pay back daddy for rent on the closet they live in, very sad, and they are worse than the gold farmers ruining the experience and stealing drops from other players to do it.
I levelled all mine and had a lot of fun doing it, unfortunately the end game is ruined by selfish losers, actually a reflection of american society today, no pride etc, just want gratification ANY WAY THEY CAN GET IT AT ANY COST INCLUDING OTHER PEOPLE.
if blizzard added bots so we didnt have to play with them and could do end game alone it would be a great game.
I guess it was gruul who dropped the staff, excuse me, want to fight about it?
Every single thing you said is taken out of context and completely wrong, like when you said I said I have a mana conservation problem and run out of mana, no I had lesser gear and had to use pots, and I wasn't the one who said I had the problem, it was the GM who stole all the gear and didn't want to help pay for or farm pots I needed to keep people alive. She didn't have to use them because she had better gear, also that was a long time ago, I have better gear now on some players, some were still getting ninjad out of drops by people like you and your guilds. And guilds want me, I don't want any part of them and there unfair looting policies, if the loot isn't important and they dont care about it, why do they steal it all!
Like I said I quit this game glad I did with people like you still playing it, I could fight every single point you made but not going to waste my time.
Also I know for a fact that several guilds have people that actually farm t6 players to sell on ebay and pay back daddy for rent on the closet they live in, very sad, and they are worse than the gold farmers ruining the experience and stealing drops from other players to do it.
I levelled all mine and had a lot of fun doing it, unfortunately the end game is ruined by selfish losers, actually a reflection of american society today, no pride etc, just want gratification ANY WAY THEY CAN GET IT AT ANY COST INCLUDING OTHER PEOPLE.
if blizzard added bots so we didnt have to play with them and could do end game alone it would be a great game.
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