I have a hard time believing that English is your first language is what I was saying. If you would simply state that that was indeed the case I would point out some things that may not have been worded clearly for non native English speakers. The comment I made towards dps was that if someone was pulling below 500dps then giving them gear would not be a good idea for the guild. I never once said that was the case for you, I was stating a reason why they would chose not to give it to someone. If you had then responded what you were pushing for dps and reiterated your claims as to being unjustly treated then you would have gone much further in proving your point. Your nationality doesn't mean anything at all to me, nor should it. The potential that the manner in which I phrase things confusing someone who is not a native English speaker would change the manner in which I phrase things to be more friendly to those who are not native speakers.
Gruul does not drop the staff either. If you ever wish to discuss things in person I live about 45 minutes outisde of Boston and am always more then willing to discuss things in person with the ever so powerful internet challengers. I'm sure if we were to come face to face you would decide it is far more constructive to discuss things, everyone else has
You said you went OOM, that is entirely your fault. You showed up to a raid without consumables too? If is your job to get your own consumables.
What would be fair then? You get everything? You can very easily check a guilds loot system before joining. As I have stated before, my guild uses open roll with the sole exception being tanks get priority- although we get rid of greedy people so that those who have already won an epic on a particular raid pass without so much as being asked, it's just the decent thing to do.
The entire challenge of a MMO is being able to work with other people. Based on what you are saying, WoW is FAR too difficult for you in this aspect.
Look in the mirror and think hard about what you just said.
Aikouka
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I'd post, but I agree with Mr. Skywalker on pretty much everything. I'm no loot ninja... in fact, whenever I raided, loot was always on FFA!
I can say, that if you were in my guild, I probably would've kicked you already. There's two things I can't stand in WoW and that's loot whores and help whores. I can understand wanting things to be fair and that's what I'm all about in all facets of my life (including WoW). It seems like you just need a guild with a DKP system so your time spent "guarantees" an item even though you won't win everything.
Also, expecting a ton of loot over someone else, even an alt, seems a bit meh. Even though the guy may be an alt, the alt can still help the guild in various ways and not to mention (!!!!) he was on the run. He helped get to that point and you're telling me that even though he helped make that item drop, he has no right to get it? Silly.
EDIT:
Although one thing I want to add, gearing tanks isn't necessarily the number one priority with the introduction of enrages on most bosses in TBC. Although, I'm sure enrage timers aren't an issue since you don't need tier gear to output enough DPS (some of the non-set epics are still pretty good as well), but certain encounters *coughbruttaluscough* are a bit more strict. Essentially, what I'm saying is that all facets of an encounter matter. Heck, enrages were put in to avoid people stacking healers to make encounters easier.
I can say, that if you were in my guild, I probably would've kicked you already. There's two things I can't stand in WoW and that's loot whores and help whores. I can understand wanting things to be fair and that's what I'm all about in all facets of my life (including WoW). It seems like you just need a guild with a DKP system so your time spent "guarantees" an item even though you won't win everything.
Also, expecting a ton of loot over someone else, even an alt, seems a bit meh. Even though the guy may be an alt, the alt can still help the guild in various ways and not to mention (!!!!) he was on the run. He helped get to that point and you're telling me that even though he helped make that item drop, he has no right to get it? Silly
.EDIT:
Although one thing I want to add, gearing tanks isn't necessarily the number one priority with the introduction of enrages on most bosses in TBC. Although, I'm sure enrage timers aren't an issue since you don't need tier gear to output enough DPS (some of the non-set epics are still pretty good as well), but certain encounters *coughbruttaluscough* are a bit more strict
. Essentially, what I'm saying is that all facets of an encounter matter. Heck, enrages were put in to avoid people stacking healers to make encounters easier.Heh, actually we gear tanks first because of enrage timers
The more geared the tank, the less healers we need, the more dps we can bring
The more geared the tank, the less healers we need, the more dps we can bring
People just dont get it do they, rolling on loot you can use and is an upgrade is fair, and people like ben skywalker dont get it no matter what, they have to cheat, its in there blood and I was joking when I said you want to fight about it but I guess he would, what a loser lol
And yes Aikuka if I win the rolls I expect a bunch of loot over someone else, if they cannot roll a winning number they lost and its mine and if you master loot it to losers you are cheating!
and again skywalker (the druid tank that wants all the loot first) picks my post apart line by line inserting things I did not say , may he burn in hell, the force is not strong with him lol
And yes Aikuka if I win the rolls I expect a bunch of loot over someone else, if they cannot roll a winning number they lost and its mine and if you master loot it to losers you are cheating!
and again skywalker (the druid tank that wants all the loot first) picks my post apart line by line inserting things I did not say , may he burn in hell, the force is not strong with him lol
Fastcuda, be careful. You seem to be doing what you accused Ben of doing. You don't know if he is a tank or a mage. There are plenty of guilds that will gear their tanks first and then plenty of guilds who gear everyone up evenly (or as evenly as the loot can drop).
I didn't see much where he took your words out of place and inserted bad ones. You as a raid member are required to bring the consumables needed to complete that raid. If something is going to be mana intensive, bring extra mana pots. Any one person should have what they need for their class to function correctly. I as a warlock need to come stocked with soul shards. I should have enough to SS a healer, and give out healthstones, possibly after each wipe. As a healer, you should bring mana pots or mana injectors. Dreamless sleep potions could be used, but it can be cleansed! I'm not going to go into the mechanics of each class and try to explain what they need. Now, before you jump on me saying I didn't read your post, I did. You said you brought pots. But you also complained about the GM not helping to pay or farm for the ones that YOU needed. Kinda sounded like you were expecting an easy ride. Consumables are expensive and that is raiding is about.
I have been in guilds that have used DKP, loot master, and random rolls. The third was a guild that could only do Kara. We had 10-15 people most of the time. DKP is good as long as you don't have people hoarding DKP so new members won't ever get a chance until that person isn't there, they have a brain fart and forget to bid, or they're completely geared and then just start the evil process over. Loot council is nice, as long as it is fair. The guild I am currently in is fair about it. Everyone seems to get their loot fairly and in due time.
Sir (or Ma'am), you talk about others getting gratification any way they can get it at any cost including other people but yet, and I quote "if I win the rolls I expect a bunch of loot over someone else, if they cannot roll a winning number they lost and its mine", make you seem like you are getting gratification in a way that includes trampling over other people. I was in a Kara on my warlock and in the group there was a mage. We completed the Opera event and the Trial-Fire Trousers dropped. I looked at all the casters in the group and no one needed it, so I bid minimum. Well, the mage beat me on DKP. He was wearing his T4 legs and I still had my D3 legs. It was unfair, but that's how the DKP system works. Was it fair? Yes. Did he meet his goal, even though he walked over someone to do it? Yes.
In your situation, if there were open rolls, and both of us rolled and he won, and you were the loot master, would you give it to him, or to the person who needed it more? If you say yes to this question, then you are letting the mage fall into your complaint. If you say no, then you are falling into your original complain. Now, switching the question, you are that mage and I am that warlock. Would you roll on the pants?
Just to let you know, the mage lost 23 spirit, 24 hit, and gained no damage from this. He did gain 3 yellow sockets and the socket bonus was 5 damage and healing. Myself, I would have gained 8 int and at least 10 damage, but lost 12 hit. If you chose yes as your answer to rolling on it, then you yourself would be selfish and walking over people.
You trying to flaunt your degree(s) is actually kinda pathetic. It's just like an Internet tough guy to be all like... look at me, look how cool I am. Also, if you have a degree, then you are most likely educated. But, and this may show the downfall of the American English language, but you cannot differentiate between "their" and "there". You made that mistake a couple times. I don't mean to be a spelling Nazi, but it just jumped out at me as a mistake that an educated person shouldn't make.
I also don't think Ben wanted to throw fisticuffs with you. He may have the power of Jack Johnson and John O'Learly, but I doubt he would have wanted to fight someone over a silly Internet thread.
I didn't see much where he took your words out of place and inserted bad ones. You as a raid member are required to bring the consumables needed to complete that raid. If something is going to be mana intensive, bring extra mana pots. Any one person should have what they need for their class to function correctly. I as a warlock need to come stocked with soul shards. I should have enough to SS a healer, and give out healthstones, possibly after each wipe. As a healer, you should bring mana pots or mana injectors. Dreamless sleep potions could be used, but it can be cleansed! I'm not going to go into the mechanics of each class and try to explain what they need. Now, before you jump on me saying I didn't read your post, I did. You said you brought pots. But you also complained about the GM not helping to pay or farm for the ones that YOU needed. Kinda sounded like you were expecting an easy ride. Consumables are expensive and that is raiding is about.
I have been in guilds that have used DKP, loot master, and random rolls. The third was a guild that could only do Kara. We had 10-15 people most of the time. DKP is good as long as you don't have people hoarding DKP so new members won't ever get a chance until that person isn't there, they have a brain fart and forget to bid, or they're completely geared and then just start the evil process over. Loot council is nice, as long as it is fair. The guild I am currently in is fair about it. Everyone seems to get their loot fairly and in due time.
Sir (or Ma'am), you talk about others getting gratification any way they can get it at any cost including other people but yet, and I quote "if I win the rolls I expect a bunch of loot over someone else, if they cannot roll a winning number they lost and its mine", make you seem like you are getting gratification in a way that includes trampling over other people. I was in a Kara on my warlock and in the group there was a mage. We completed the Opera event and the Trial-Fire Trousers dropped. I looked at all the casters in the group and no one needed it, so I bid minimum. Well, the mage beat me on DKP. He was wearing his T4 legs and I still had my D3 legs. It was unfair, but that's how the DKP system works. Was it fair? Yes. Did he meet his goal, even though he walked over someone to do it? Yes.
In your situation, if there were open rolls, and both of us rolled and he won, and you were the loot master, would you give it to him, or to the person who needed it more? If you say yes to this question, then you are letting the mage fall into your complaint. If you say no, then you are falling into your original complain. Now, switching the question, you are that mage and I am that warlock. Would you roll on the pants?
Just to let you know, the mage lost 23 spirit, 24 hit, and gained no damage from this. He did gain 3 yellow sockets and the socket bonus was 5 damage and healing. Myself, I would have gained 8 int and at least 10 damage, but lost 12 hit. If you chose yes as your answer to rolling on it, then you yourself would be selfish and walking over people.
You trying to flaunt your degree(s) is actually kinda pathetic. It's just like an Internet tough guy to be all like... look at me, look how cool I am. Also, if you have a degree, then you are most likely educated. But, and this may show the downfall of the American English language, but you cannot differentiate between "their" and "there". You made that mistake a couple times. I don't mean to be a spelling Nazi, but it just jumped out at me as a mistake that an educated person shouldn't make.
I also don't think Ben wanted to throw fisticuffs with you. He may have the power of Jack Johnson and John O'Learly, but I doubt he would have wanted to fight someone over a silly Internet thread.
My main is a mage, my alt is a tree- you can check the huge WoW discussion thread about that, not just saying it for your benefit. Yeah, my druid has an offset for tanking, but all of that gear came from the last chance before shard rolls(an off spec alt gear set). My toons would never and should never get priority on rolls over other people. Well, as far as the guild is concerned my tree is my main. While my mage tends to finish 3rd on the dmg meter(DS locks- meh
) my tree almost always tops the healing charts- with the exception of one priest in guild my tree usually tops them handily too.Xarou- That mage was way out of line rolling on the TFT while you were still in blues. The only thing the TFT is good for for a mage is if they are thinking of mis socketing them with 3x solid star of elune for a stam set. To me, the TFT are just the best 'of Stamina' caster legs in the game, you were still in your Oblivion set? You could have gemed them up with some veiled noble topaz and had yourself some very nice legs until you got your T4 or SS. Actually, the TFTs are nice for a shad priest, they don't close to the hit that locks or mages need and missocketing them with all runed living rubies and thread gives you 108dmg on the legs, very nice for their class.
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