Why do you say that? I'd say that rational (I.E. not yelling) discussion presenting logical statements can be considered intelligent discussion.
How is that missing from this thread? I'll grant that there have been irrational comments from both sides, however I don't think it's fair to say that there have been no logical posts in this thread. In fact, please go back to my long post above and address every single point that you consider illogical so i can correct it to your satisfaction (if possible, it's always possible that you and i have differing opinions on what is logical).
Edit: Just to clarify, i'm just saying that i would consider my post to be one of several that tries to approach the side i defend from a logical standpoint.
Originally posted by: joedrake
So much for actual facts.Originally posted by: Eeezee
That sentence is proof that you are the product of misinformation. Please inform yourself of actual facts and statistics before you open your mouth again.
By the wording of your last paragraph, you would support abortion if two methods of birth control are being used. This happens in real life. There is no 100% fool-proof method for preventing pregnancy. Even abstinence is not fool-proof. The successful transfer of semen can occur without intercourse.
How about rape? The woman should make sure that the rapist is using a condom, right?
Rape: (quote myself)
Those are actual facts. You are the product of misinformation. Go look up real data. Come back when you're smarter.
Rape should give the woman every right to abort the fetus. She did not choose to bring it into this world, she should not have to bear the responsibility. Finding and convicting the rapist won't change that.
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: Eeezee
That sentence is proof that you are the product of misinformation. Please inform yourself of actual facts and statistics before you open your mouth again.
By the wording of your last paragraph, you would support abortion if two methods of birth control are being used. This happens in real life. There is no 100% fool-proof method for preventing pregnancy. Even abstinence is not fool-proof. The successful transfer of semen can occur without intercourse.
How about rape? The woman should make sure that the rapist is using a condom, right?
Don't try to put words into my mouth, fool.
The last sentence proves nothing of the sort, and I don't know how you got that stupid idea in your head.
And no, I don't support abortion if two methods of birth control are used and you still end up pregnant. I know 3 kids - one is "the patch" one is "the pill" and one is "the shot". I know it's not 100%, but that is a risk that you take when you have sex. You need to be prepared to accept the consequences of having sex or you shouldn't be having it.
Abstinance not fool proof? That's bullshit. So semen just magically appears inside a woman and impregnates her? Where do you come up with this bullshit?
Rape is different. It sucks that anyone would have to go through that. I can at least understand why a woman would want an abortion due to that, even if I don't condone it. I know someone who was a product of rape and the world would not be as good of a place if her mother decided to abort her due to her being raped.
I QUOTED YOU. You said some idiotic things and I called you on it. I didn't put any words in your mouth, moron.
And abstinence is NOT fool proof. Do you seriously lack the mental capacity to imagine a situation where this could happen? There are a handful of cases every year.
OK, the death penalty is valid, and many people fight against it. However, it (in theory) involves someone judged to be sane who has committed an act determined to be worthy of death. An unborn child has done nothing to anyone.
As for self defense, that also involves someone taking concious action. I don't see it being applicable here either.
edit: sorry, my quoting skilz aren't.[/quote]
Wrong. The child is syphoning blood and nutrients from the mother without her consent. That's illegal. If you tried to do this and got caught, you'd go to jail. It's a conscious action that the fetus is taking if you're an idiot and believe the fetus is sentient.[/quote]
What is your problem? Are you capable of intelligent debate at all, or do you only know how to attack like a classless fool? Your "point" is completely moronic, as are you. Good Day, Sir![/quote]
Don't like the truth?
It's "pro-choice" because the supporters want to allow you the choice of an abortion. The "pro-choice" side is in fact pro-life, but they also believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether her fetus will develop into a child. There are many pro-choice people that would never have an abortion for themselves. I don't like abortion, but nothing gives me the right to tell a couple that they can't have one.
The "pro-life" side doesn't want anyone to have this choice.
So it's really pro-choice vs anti-choice
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The only solution to this debate is to incorporate a number of Rights into the Procedure of Abortion that determines the outcome:
1) The womans Right to Choose
2) A Humans Right to Self Defence
3) related to 2, a US Citizens Right to Bear Arms in the attempt at Self Defence
I propose that once a Woman has chosen to Abort, a small Handgun is surgically implanted into the Womb 24 hours prior to the procedure. If the Fetus wants to live it can choose to defend itself from either the mother or the Doctor(or other practioner) by using the Handgun in Self Defense. If the Fetus Defends itself, it is to be respected and no further action towards an Abortion shall be taken. If the Fetus does not Defend itself, it obviously agrees with the Mothers choice of action.
Your welcome! [/thread]
1) The womans Right to Choose
2) A Humans Right to Self Defence
3) related to 2, a US Citizens Right to Bear Arms in the attempt at Self Defence
I propose that once a Woman has chosen to Abort, a small Handgun is surgically implanted into the Womb 24 hours prior to the procedure. If the Fetus wants to live it can choose to defend itself from either the mother or the Doctor(or other practioner) by using the Handgun in Self Defense. If the Fetus Defends itself, it is to be respected and no further action towards an Abortion shall be taken. If the Fetus does not Defend itself, it obviously agrees with the Mothers choice of action.
Your welcome! [/thread]
6 pages in, cold calculated logic can do no harm. Unwanted children are a bane on society. Abort them all.
Don't 'fix' my posts ever again you fvckstick. I'll beat you with aborted fetuses upside the face and neck.
think harder. your IQ is lower than most in this thread. we actually have similar views, except I have reasons to back it up. i think if the baby is viable outside the body, it should not be aborted.
i noticed you still have no reasons. kudos.
actually, i think the right to one's own body is both a moral and ethical issue.
I agree - there are analogies I could use to attempt to convince you, but I will spare you - we probably won't ever agree. I believe that people's belief on this issue comes from their religion.
What I am looking for is a reason why you think the government should be regulating how women use their bodies.
the issue is blown way out of proportion. by focusing on the bad apples, you ignore the issues of the good-hearted women for whom this issue is real and a huge deal to them.
sorry for the confusion. the government cannot regulate how people use their organs. this is just immoral. they can, however, educate the public, so that they can make getter decisions themselves on how they would like to proceed.
possibly. but my moral stance on this issue remains the same. and as a practical issue i find it hard to believe abortions will stop once it is outlawed.
as do i.
I am a maternal and child health data manager for the State of Florida. We had 213,000 women give birth to 218,000 kids in 2004 (latest data available). About half of those deliveries were paid for by the state (Medicaid (= poor people)) resulting in a significant tax burden.
Many of those who abort eventually have a child and they are better able to raise that child, usually with fewer social and support services. Unwanted babies are more prone to developmental delay in school. You might guess that abortions are disproportionately higher among Medicaid women. If abortion were illegal, unsafe abortion practices would certainly continue. That is common knowledge in the maternal and child health field, but perhaps not so to the lay public (ATOT).
My point is, abortion isn't simply yes/no. There are consequences for everyone: families, schools, government, health care systems, and taxpayers.
Many of those who abort eventually have a child and they are better able to raise that child, usually with fewer social and support services. Unwanted babies are more prone to developmental delay in school. You might guess that abortions are disproportionately higher among Medicaid women. If abortion were illegal, unsafe abortion practices would certainly continue. That is common knowledge in the maternal and child health field, but perhaps not so to the lay public (ATOT).
My point is, abortion isn't simply yes/no. There are consequences for everyone: families, schools, government, health care systems, and taxpayers.
Done and done
Pulls out lawn chair and :beer:
And OP why would you post something inflammatory like this anyways. :roll:
Anyone like PIE.... I love PIE.
It goes so well with my :beer: while sitting outside on my lawnchair.
Key lime is so good. I think I will go get some now.
It goes so well with my :beer: while sitting outside on my lawnchair.
Key lime is so good. I think I will go get some now.
Murder? LOL so when a person pleases himself i guy he murders dozens of would to be baby's huh? lolololol
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