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Does that fetus not have the ability to transform into a human? It does. The moment a woman can be considered pregnant, she is carrying a human life. To take it is murder.
We have the ability to create a human being from every cell on your body. By your argument, you perpetrate a genocide every time you scratch your nose.
 

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We have the ability to create a human being from every cell on your body. By your argument, you perpetrate a genocide every time you scratch your nose.

Wrong.
The fetus is made by the sperm fermenting the egg, etc. That, by nature, creates a fetus, which, by nature, creates a living, breathing, child.
My nose cells aren't going to create a living being by nature.
 
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Wrong.
The fetus is made by the sperm fermenting the egg, etc. That, by nature, creates a fetus, which, by nature, creates a living, breathing, child.
My nose cells aren't going to create a living being by nature.
Your argument is that potential human beings qualify as human beings. I'm telling you that every cell in your body is a potential human being. You are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand as to which potential human beings have value (presumably you're privy god's soul distribution policy).
 

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Your argument is that potential human beings qualify as human beings. I'm telling you that every cell in your body is a potential human being. You are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand as to which potential human beings have value (presumably you're privy god's soul distribution policy).

Wrong.
My "argument" is that if by nature, which means natural reproduction, as in sex, a baby forms, it is then a human life, and killing it is wrong.

A cell from my nose cannot become a baby by nature. Therefore, I'm doing absolutely nothing besides scratching my nose.
 
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Wrong.
My "argument" is that if by nature, which means natural reproduction, as in sex, a baby forms, it is then a human life, and killing it is wrong.

A cell from my nose cannot become a baby by nature. Therefore, I'm doing absolutely nothing besides scratching my nose.
So if I created a human being by cloning from one of your cells you'd be OK with killing it because it's not "natural"? Are you OK with abortion if the pregnancy is caused by artificial insemination?
 

Tristicus

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So if I created a human being by cloning from one of your cells you'd be OK with killing it because it's not "natural"? Are you OK with abortion if the pregnancy is caused by artificial insemination?

That's not at all what I'm saying.
I'm not okay with killing any baby, stop twisting words for your benefit. A life is a life- a natural life is one in which the sperm ferments the egg- which by any way is natural, regardless of if it is injected or not due to whatever reason- and if it becomes a fetus, that will then grow into a baby, then it has a right to life. By taking a single cell from my nose, which you say has the potential to turn into a baby somehow, is not natural- if it is to be done however, and the baby is made, then it should not be killed, because that would again be essentially taking a life that could have been.
Now actually making one single scratch of my nose a baby, I'd love to see.
 

Rainsford

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Hey, whatever you think of abortion as a policy, the approach adopted by this pro-life group is pretty insulting to black people. Messages like this basically say, "We think you're so dumb we can bring you to our side with some crappy arguments". If you have to resort to cheap manipulation, it seems to me that maybe your point is kinda weak.
 

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Wrong.
The fetus is made by the sperm fermenting the egg, etc. That, by nature, creates a fetus, which, by nature, creates a living, breathing, child.
My nose cells aren't going to create a living being by nature.
I hate to break it to you about the birds and the bees, but there are more steps than just "the sperm fermenting[sic] the egg".
 

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I think abortions should be barred only after 6 months of pregnancy since the fetus has the ability to live on its own and grow in an incubator. It shouldn't be barred though if the fetus has a defect and of course the mother's life is in danger.

Would any of you pro choice people want to be aborted if you had a serious defect? I know i would.

To you pro life people, are you for providing welfare for mothers of multiple children who refuse to work and simply have children for easy government money? Like the octomom. There was a fat single mother of 9 children a few months back, who wanted to sue a hospital for having her sterilized "accidentally".

And no i don't consider zygotes a human.
 
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I think abortions should be barred only after 6 months of pregnancy since the fetus has the ability to live on its own and grow in an incubator. It shouldn't be barred though if the fetus has a defect and of course the mother's life is in danger.

Would any of you pro choice people want to be aborted if you had a serious defect? I know i would.

To you pro life people, are you for providing welfare for mothers of multiple children who refuse to work and simply have children for easy government money? Like the octomom. There was a fat single mother of 9 children a few months back, who wanted to sue a hospital for having her sterilized "accidentally".

And no i don't consider zygotes a human.
I'm not for any welfare.
 

Hacp

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When the woman can declare she is pregnant, the baby is there. I don't care how it happens in detail besides that sperm enters the vagina and can cause pregnancy.

Sigh, more government regulation. Why should the government decide on private matters? Get rid of all government regulation and let the communities decide what is best for their people. You already have too much government controlling everything. I heard we break on average 3 laws per day. Less laws and more freedom.
 

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Sigh, more government regulation. Why should the government decide on private matters? Get rid of all government regulation and let the communities decide what is best for their people. You already have too much government controlling everything. I heard we break on average 3 laws per day. Less laws and more freedom.

Well, I want to kill my neighbor, but the government prohibits me from doing it. Should we get rid of that?

Let's say he raped a little girl in the neighborhood.
 

Hacp

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Well, I want to kill my neighbor, but the government prohibits me from doing it. Should we get rid of that?

I think that's a state issue. Less government, more freedom. I dont' want people a thousand miles away telling me what to do with my life.
 

Hacp

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State government is still government. It is still something regulating.

Less regulation, more liberty. There's too much waste in the federal government. Lets all agree to tone it down to the local level. I don't want people one thousand miles away deciding how I should behave.
 

Hacp

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I don't want ANYONE deciding how I behave, but I don't want anarchy either.

The founders intended for the federal government to handle issues of national security and interstate commerce. All other issues should be handled at a state level. Social Security and medicare are all against the intent of the founding fathers. Less government, more liberty!
 

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That's not at all what I'm saying.
I'm not okay with killing any baby, stop twisting words for your benefit. A life is a life- a natural life is one in which the sperm ferments the egg- which by any way is natural, regardless of if it is injected or not due to whatever reason- and if it becomes a fetus, that will then grow into a baby, then it has a right to life. By taking a single cell from my nose, which you say has the potential to turn into a baby somehow, is not natural- if it is to be done however, and the baby is made, then it should not be killed, because that would again be essentially taking a life that could have been.
Now actually making one single scratch of my nose a baby, I'd love to see.

Yeah saw him playing on words too. Ignorance is bliss.... Let him be... I get your point and agree.
 

Ancalagon44

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The problem is, when does a bunch of cells end and new life begin? If men and women didnt use condoms, life would result. Are condoms evil now too? Without them, a sperm would probably meet an ovum and result in a new life. Thus, condoms, menstruation and masturbation all lead to gametes not creating life as they were meant to do - are they evil too?

Human life begins with consciousness, not with a bunch of cells.
 

Atreus21

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Wrong.
The fetus is made by the sperm fermenting the egg, etc. That, by nature, creates a fetus, which, by nature, creates a living, breathing, child.
My nose cells aren't going to create a living being by nature.

I disagree on one point.

A fetus doesn't become a human. It is one. At the earliest stage of development.

It's only potential is becoming an adult form of something it is already. The difference between an infant and an adult is a matter of degree, not being.
 

highland145

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I disagree on one point.

A fetus doesn't become a human. It is one. At the earliest stage of development.

It's only potential is becoming an adult form of something it is already. The difference between an infant and an adult is a matter of degree, not being.
Hypothetical question because the idea of experiencing this is unbearable.

If an abortionist believes that a fetus is just tissue and can be tossed, tested, frozen...then is it logical for them to grieve is they, parish the thought, should loose a child?
 

Atreus21

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Hypothetical question because the idea of experiencing this is unbearable.

If an abortionist believes that a fetus is just tissue and can be tossed, tested, frozen...then is it logical for them to grieve is they, parish the thought, should loose a child?

I don't understand the question.