Abortion could possibly go under a Bush 2nd term

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Thought of a million things to say here, but looked for a short summery.

Abortion is a medical proceedure, not a moral proceedure. It should be decided between a woman and her doctor, not a woman and GWB.

I could be wrong, but I heard that abortion is NOT a technical medical procedure. A doctor's oath is to protect life, is it not? Abortion is in direct violation of that.

But I'm an engineer, not a doctor.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Democratic contender John Kerry (news - web sites) is a strong supporter of abortion rights.

Yep..the only people liberals want to subject to the "death penalty" are the unborn.., not terrorists, not rapists, not murderers.

Why do you equate reproduction with crime and punishment?

Did it ever occur to you the hypocrisy of your stance? How can you promote war and killing of civilians (~20,000+ in Iraq) and make such a strong stand about abortion? Do unborn children get more rights than the born? Either you are against all killing or you are a hypocrite that is using a wedge issue for political change.

Pro-choice people like myself and Kerry are not pro-abortion, we just know the reality of the situation. Just like prohibition, the illegality of something causes more problems than the regulation and legal restriction. What will you people ever do when you win and all abortions are illegal? What will you do with the influx of poor babies, will you adopt them all? Will you support welfare to help the children and their young mothers? Will you think twice when your daughter has an abortion in an alley or Mexico?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

Wow. it has yet tt o effect me. how odd..

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Your class jealousy is amazing. Who are you to judge whether Bush deserves his wealth or not?

Ahh hheemmmm

Bush has never had a succesful busineess. THose that involved the oil industry were "miracuously" bailed out by companies with ties to Saudi Arabia.

He also bought a portion of the Texas Rangers for $800,000. Sold that same share a year or two later for $18,000,000. This is not logical. Some sort of pay-offf.

In conslusion, we have a millionaire that has never had a succsful businees and was an alcoholic till age 40 when he found god.

And I bust my ass with other Americans every day. And you have the BALLs to ask that question.

The fact that he has money is irrelevant. To answer your question of "does he desrve it". HELL NO!

Kerry's never done anything in his life to earn any money. He married into it. He doesn't deserve it either.

No, inheriting it is one thing. Marrying someone that happens to come from a welthier family is another (I married into wealth and it's not an issue). But to make money while failing at everything you do is to not deserve it. Kerry fell in love with someone that happees to have money. You have made no point.

 

[lordtyranus]

Did it ever occur to you the hypocrisy of your stance? How can you promote war and killing of civilians (~20,000+ in Iraq) and make such a strong stand about abortion? Do unborn children get more rights than the born? Either you are against all killing or you are a hypocrite that is using a wedge issue for political change.

Our country does not give rights to iraqi citizens. We give rights to Americans.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Luck JF
it's not a very complicated issue. If you think killing babies is ok then vote for Kerry.
If you think killing babies is wrong then vote for Bush.

If you think killing babies is not OK, don't have an abortion.

If you think killing babies is OK, have an abortion.

Don't let YOUR morality issues effect MY life.

Vote for Bush, some people are screwed. Vote for Kerry, everyone wins. I hate morons and how they think their views are for everyone in a FREE society.

"Your not human until your in my &%*#ing phone book" - Bill Hicks.

Can I try out that logic?

"If you think slaves are human, don't own one!"
"Don't let YOUR moral issues affect MY life."
"I hate morons and how they think their views are for everyone in a FREE society."

Wasn't that the South's position prior to the Civil War? If you didn't like slavery, don't own a slave! Why couldn't the North just mind its own business? Don't moralistic busybodies just wreck your day?

Umm...

Just to clarify, the Civil War was only indirectly about slavery. The secession of southern states was the reason for war, not slavery. Remember there were slave states in the Union, i.e. Kentucky, Illinois...

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne..._re_us/abortion_states

WASHINGTON - Thirty states are poised to make abortion illegal within a year if the Supreme Court reversed its 1973 ruling establishing a woman's legal right to an abortion, an advocacy group said Tuesday.

Currently, it is believed that five of the nine justices support abortion rights, but that balance could be tipped if President Bush (news - web sites), in a second term, nominates a new justice who reflects his anti-abortion views. Democratic contender John Kerry (news - web sites) is a strong supporter of abortion rights.

Meh, I don't know how I feel about this. Abortion is one of few issues I don't agree with Bush.

I don't think it will ever happen. Nice to campaign on, much harder to actually follow through with.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Luck JF
it's not a very complicated issue. If you think killing babies is ok then vote for Kerry.
If you think killing babies is wrong then vote for Bush.

Actually it is the opposite in recent history. Abortion rates go up nearly every year that a republican is in office, and abortion rates go down nearly every year that a democrat is in office.

The CDC says the abortion rate declined from 1980-1990, so I don't see how that is the case.

Fig.20, p.11
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr48/nvs48_16.pdf

Perhaps you are referring to the actual number of abortions and not the rate?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

there's a woman raped in this country approx every 10 mins. that 144 women a day, 52,560 women a year. they should not be denied the opportunity to get rid of their rapists baby if they become pregnant.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: rickn

there's a woman raped in this country approx every 10 mins. that 144 women a day, 52,560 women a year. they should not be denied the opportunity to get rid of their rapists baby if they become pregnant.

:thumbsup:

Seriously.

That's a scary figure.

 

[Luck JF]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

there's a woman raped in this country approx every 10 mins. that 144 women a day, 52,560 women a year. they should not be denied the opportunity to get rid of their rapists baby if they become pregnant.

Even if the father was a rapist is it still the woman's baby too and the baby is innocent.
Don't punish the baby for the father's crime. If she doesn't want her baby she can give it up for adoption.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: JDub02
What's wrong with a state making abortion illegal if that's what the residents want?

All the Supreme Court could do is overturn Roe vs. Wade, which says nothing about abortion. AFAIK, it just doesn't allow the law to go inside an operating room.

Even if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it would just be a matter for states to decide ... that's the way it should have been all along.

The problem is that, without abortion, there's a lot more welfare brats leeching on taxpayer money.

Yup, that sounds like a caring, liberal position. Either there are brats running around unwanted or babies you are willing to kill so there are no brats. Nice!

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: DonVito
This is a meaningful part of the reason I plan on voting for Sen Kerry.

ditto, except the exact opposite for me

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Luck JF

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

there's a woman raped in this country approx every 10 mins. that 144 women a day, 52,560 women a year. they should not be denied the opportunity to get rid of their rapists baby if they become pregnant.

Even if the father was a rapist is it still the woman's baby too and the baby is innocent.
Don't punish the baby for the father's crime. If she doesn't want her baby she can give it up for adoption.

You know 52,560 people that want to adopt a child?


The question here isn't on whether or not killing a child is acceptable. It is about when does it actually become a child instead of a bunch of cells. You don't automatically get a child once you fvck someone, it takes time.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Luck JF

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

there's a woman raped in this country approx every 10 mins. that 144 women a day, 52,560 women a year. they should not be denied the opportunity to get rid of their rapists baby if they become pregnant.

Even if the father was a rapist is it still the woman's baby too and the baby is innocent.
Don't punish the baby for the father's crime. If she doesn't want her baby she can give it up for adoption.

Don't burden the mother by making her face the crime everyday of her life. If she doesn't want the baby, she should be able to have an abortion.

Only the sickest of people would make a woman impregnated through rape carry the fetus to term. Sure the baby's innocent, but making someone live with that is too much.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Luck JF

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

there's a woman raped in this country approx every 10 mins. that 144 women a day, 52,560 women a year. they should not be denied the opportunity to get rid of their rapists baby if they become pregnant.

Even if the father was a rapist is it still the woman's baby too and the baby is innocent.
Don't punish the baby for the father's crime. If she doesn't want her baby she can give it up for adoption.

Don't burden the mother by making her face the crime everyday of her life. If she doesn't want the baby, she should be able to have an abortion.

Only the sickest of people would make a woman impregnated through rape carry the fetus to term. Sure the baby's innocent, but making someone live with that is too much.

I also wonder if he would support having an assaulted child (12-13) carry a child to birth.

 

[Luck JF]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Luck JF

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

there's a woman raped in this country approx every 10 mins. that 144 women a day, 52,560 women a year. they should not be denied the opportunity to get rid of their rapists baby if they become pregnant.

Even if the father was a rapist is it still the woman's baby too and the baby is innocent.
Don't punish the baby for the father's crime. If she doesn't want her baby she can give it up for adoption.

Don't burden the mother by making her face the crime everyday of her life. If she doesn't want the baby, she should be able to have an abortion.

Only the sickest of people would make a woman impregnated through rape carry the fetus to term. Sure the baby's innocent, but making someone live with that is too much.

Oh spare me.
Im sure she'll survive giving birth to her baby OH THE TRAUMA

 

[Luck JF]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Luck JF

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

there's a woman raped in this country approx every 10 mins. that 144 women a day, 52,560 women a year. they should not be denied the opportunity to get rid of their rapists baby if they become pregnant.

Even if the father was a rapist is it still the woman's baby too and the baby is innocent.
Don't punish the baby for the father's crime. If she doesn't want her baby she can give it up for adoption.

Don't burden the mother by making her face the crime everyday of her life. If she doesn't want the baby, she should be able to have an abortion.

Only the sickest of people would make a woman impregnated through rape carry the fetus to term. Sure the baby's innocent, but making someone live with that is too much.

I also wonder if he would support having an assaulted child (12-13) carry a child to birth.

No abortion for any reason at all. So take any other scenario and apply that rule to it and there is your answer.

 

[ElFenix]

:thumbsdown:

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
:thumbsdown:

LOL. Seriously. Did you get 40,000+ posts in P&N by RELENTLESSLY posting thumbsdown or were you big in the technical forums? I"m honestly curious i'm not attacking you.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: ElFenix
:thumbsdown:

LOL. Seriously. Did you get 40,000+ posts in P&N by RELENTLESSLY posting thumbsdown or were you big in the technical forums? I"m honestly curious i'm not attacking you.

i got 40,000 posts while working at dell and having nothing to do between calls. most of those posts were in ATOT.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
The problem is that, without abortion, there's a lot more welfare brats leeching on taxpayer money.

Actually, that's a common misconception. Poor people usually don't have abortions nearly as often as married couples who have secure jobs. Plus, there would be more than 40,000,000 more people paying taxes if abortion were illegal.

Originally posted by: Stunt
The planet can only sustain so many people, population control WILL happen...abortion is one small part of this equation.

For every aborted kid you save another person's life 😉

That's the single most despicable thing I've heard on this forum.

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
TO ALL PRO-LIFERS

If you want abortion to be illegal so bad, fine. I say we take all these unwatned, unloved babies you made us have and give them to you to raise. YOU SAID WE HAD TO HAVE THEM, NOW YOU RAISE THEM!

Millions are waiting to adopt children. I don't think this would be a problem. Of course, you could just take personal responsibility and not get pregnant in the first place. Of course, if you believed in personal responsibility, you wouldn't support abortion.

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
some statistic said 25% or 1 in 4 babies are aborted. that's alot of abortions.

28% - it's the most common surgical procedure in the US, accounting for more than 1.33 million 'operations' per year according to the CDC.

Originally posted by: JDub02
I could be wrong, but I heard that abortion is NOT a technical medical procedure. A doctor's oath is to protect life, is it not? Abortion is in direct violation of that.

But I'm an engineer, not a doctor.

It's specifically listed as one of those things that a doctor will not do in the Hippocratic Oath.

The lack of abortion education is appalling. Almost every argument in this entire thread for abortion is based on complete fallacy (moral relativism) or ignorance/misunderstanding of the facts.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Stunt
The planet can only sustain so many people, population control WILL happen...abortion is one small part of this equation.

For every aborted kid you save another person's life 😉

That's the single most despicable thing I've heard on this forum.

But can you dispute this?...Mother Nature is a cruel force. This is seen in many species when populations are not controlled, the world will compensate though disease, famine, drought, etc.

Besides if a close minded neocon like yourself thinks it's despicable, I'll take that as a complement 🙂

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Stunt
The planet can only sustain so many people, population control WILL happen...abortion is one small part of this equation.

For every aborted kid you save another person's life 😉

That's the single most despicable thing I've heard on this forum.

But can you dispute this?...Mother Nature is a cruel force. This is seen in many species when populations are not controlled, the world will compensate though disease, famine, drought, etc.

Besides if a close minded neocon like yourself thinks it's despicable, I'll take that as a complement 🙂

I can dispute it. The world can easily support 10x the population we have now. I can prove this thermodynamically if you want - it's actually been done by well-known scientists. We have the capability in this country to feed the entire planet's current population. We don't because there is no good method for distribution in place. If the world wants to support a larger population, it can. The will of humanity is greater than any force of nature.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Stunt
The planet can only sustain so many people, population control WILL happen...abortion is one small part of this equation.

For every aborted kid you save another person's life 😉

That's the single most despicable thing I've heard on this forum.

But can you dispute this?...Mother Nature is a cruel force. This is seen in many species when populations are not controlled, the world will compensate though disease, famine, drought, etc.

Besides if a close minded neocon like yourself thinks it's despicable, I'll take that as a complement 🙂

I can dispute it. The world can easily support 10x the population we have now. I can prove this thermodynamically if you want - it's actually been done by well-known scientists. We have the capability in this country to feed the entire planet's current population. We don't because there is no good method for distribution in place. If the world wants to support a larger population, it can. The will of humanity is greater than any force of nature.

you certainly as long-winded enough and a expert on everything. you could power a town of two.