I dont think its stupid for mobo manufacturers to be bringing out ful size nForce baords...the nForce is a very good standalone chipset, whether its roots were in integrated vid/lsound/lan or not....and the 415D does have nForce audio nexteroid, its up to the menufacturer to ship the riser with it, which in the UK they always have...i can get the nForce 415D equipped Asus A7n266-C board for £108, which with good overclocking potential, locked 33MHz PCI bus, and NForce audio (ill be needing a 2nd soundcard when i buy...so this is both as good, and saves any compatablity fuss over, an Audigy) thats a steal for me.....and as a bonus, i dont need to have Via in my machine - Go nVidia !!! 🙂
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