Abit Kt7 RAID Question

[AbRASiON]

Rhodent

considering this gentleman seems to be one of the first to not like the kt7 after 2 - 3 months of release and you can find good reviews on anandtech - bxboards, firingsquad and more - and you dont raid, i strongly suggest the kt7

if all else fails go to www.deja.com - search for "kt7 problems" (be sure to follow the thread and look for solutions, i'm sure you will find very few people upset with the board.

 

[PCResources]

<< You guys need to seriously chill out here. How about put all this energy to good use and tell me if there is another &quot;better&quot; board that fits my needs. whadayasay? >>



Ok, now i'm in cool mode..

I thought about ASUS, they have a board with the same type of onboard controllers that the KT7 has, but but i have had some problems with that board to.

I would suggest a cheaper MSI board and a second IDE controller, K7T PRO if you are not overclocking and K7T PRO2 if you are, if you want to, you could also check out what Tekram has to offer.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[LXi]

StickHead, Shockwave:

Patrick let me back you up a bit. These people dont really know what they're saying, they're flaming you because you're not in favor of their Abit greatness.


Abit has the highest % RMA in the industry, Abit has crappy support and RMA policy, and their boards are low quality. Guess why techs dont recommend Abits? Poor quality control, people who've been praising Abits are the ones that have had good experience but have never seen the bad side of the story(you're free to consult with the Elite Members of the board, JohnnyGURU, Russ, Compuwitz, and Red Dawn..., if you tell me they dont know their sh1t I laugh in your face). I suggest you Abit zealots lossen up a little bit in arguments like this because it'll do you no good, just look at the motherboard poll recently, Asus gets 55 votes, Abit 20, MSI 24, we largely outnumber you.

I agree Abit makes excellent designs, but no way in heaven will they ever catch up with Asus and MSI in quality and reliability. Im not here the bash Abit, I know all I'll get is negative feedback, Im just here to say that MSI and Asus are both highly recommended over Abits. Overclocking and feature wise MSI and Asus both quality to be in the same ballpark as Abit. Plus the fact that the MSI cost roughly $20 less than Abit and Asus, it's why we recommend it.

Now how about getting into the *real-issue* here instead of flaming Patrick or PC Resources?

 

[PCResources]

Thank you LXi!

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[AbRASiON]

SIGH

ok ... pat: you win - i spose the reviews are wrong, or not in depth enough and i'm man enough to admit when i'm wrong (plus i'm not in person)

ABIT KT7- RAID - www.deja.com

type in

&quot;KT7 DMA 98&quot;

check out the amount of people having trouble enabling DMA mode (a simple thing too)
NOT GOOD...

no solution I can find, as of yet...

 

[AbRASiON]

Ahh finally, I found a solution.

(although you shouldnt have to do it)

download the DMA drivers SEPERATELY from the 4 in one download - apparently the 4 in 1 dosent do the DMA tool correctly on install.

 

[LXi]

Why bother with all these hassle? If no RAID is needed the MSI K7T Pro2 is a no brainer.

 

[Shockwave]

First off, apologies.
Patrick - I did come off a bit rough. And I apologize. I'm not trying to make any enemies here.
Secondly.
LXI - Thanks for qouting polls. So, lemme get this right. The people at Anandtech, Tomshardware, and a myriad of other sites are idoits? They seem to think the Abit is a very good board. No wait a minute before you get all pissy, yes, in the *past* Abit hasnt been anything to send to mom. But lets do some case studies. What do you think of Dodge (Yes the auto maker...) 15 or 20 years ago, they were crap. end of story. But, they got serious and turned their image around. Give Abit a chance. Maybe there trying to turn themselves around to. By just simply saying &quot;Well Abit has a history of...&quot; Ya, great woo hoo. Everything/body at one point or another has been less then appealing. The point is to bounce back. And Abit is doing a great job with the KT7-RAID. And I will laugh in ANYBODIES face who says differently. Not because they maybe dont know what their doing, but because there so damned closed minded that they will soon not know what there doing. Keep up with the times, and in this industry those times change *very* fast.
And besides, you need to read and not assume. I said I'm not flaming Patrick, I'm saying to give all the options. IDE RAID works. If it didnt, we wouldnt have it. Can you get ice cream in hell? No. Why? It dont work!

Anyways, I will concede one thing to you Patrick. You cant promote something you dont believe in. True. But SCSI raid can fail just as easily as IDE RAID. Sometimes hardware fails. Your quote says it. Hardware is as hardware does. But I'm stickin by my guns....You should give all the options. Like I said, if IDE RAID is so bad, why is it being used and getting good reviews?


Isnt it great that we all agree?

 

[Teatowel]

Maybe I just happen to have a good Abit motherboard, but By KT7 does the job fine. As for poeple saying get SCSI rather than go for IDE raid..the price of SCSI hard drives puts this out of the question for a lot of people. Yes, it might be better, but not everyone has that sort of money to burn.

 

[Dulanic]

Get the Asus A7V then. I have it and I am running 7 IDE devices and it works like a charm Just be sure to get the Promise ATA100 Build 25 drivers..... Build 19 are a bit buggy.

 

[Spearfodder]

I've got an abit kt7-raid board. Nice board. The quality seems decent, had it about 2 months now. I've had boards by asus, aopen, msi, fic (crap!), gigabyte, iwill &amp; supermicro. Probably some more that I can't remember.

Oh yeah...if this is a brag fest. I've got 12 years of professional work in this industry and certs out the ying-yang. Makes me old &amp; well paid.

I bought the kt7-raid for the overclocking &amp; the raid support. I've been half happy with it. Overclocking is awesome on it, not to knock asus (they are a good manufacturer) but the kt7 is a better, easier, oc'ing platfrom. As far as the hpt370 controller built on to it, I'm less than thrilled. Despite various driver attempts, I never got the controller working stably to my satisfaction, even in non-raid mode. Eventually I just gave up on it. There's new bios &amp; drivers out all the time, I'll check up on them as they happen.

Bottom line: kt7: good for overclockers, iffy on the hpt370.

 

[StickHead]

What I think people need to understand is they see one person or more for that matter that have a certian problem with a board and they all think that it's junk. I see all kinds of people on the forums having problems with their KT7, and I had mine, but I got them worked out and now the board is running great, so that means Abit sucks? Their are not my favorite by a long shot but I decided to try them, I've seen worse(cough FIC cough)

As for PCResources, he may know his stuff but read his first two posts, he sounded like a jackass and was not even addressing Rhodent's question.

 

[PCResources]

<< Patrick - I did come off a bit rough. And I apologize. I'm not trying to make any enemies here. >>



It's ok, i know the frustration... ;-)



<< And I will laugh in ANYBODIES face who says differently. Not because they maybe dont know what their doing, but because there so damned closed minded that they will soon not know what there doing. Keep up with the times, and in this industry those times change *very* fast. >>



Go ahead, start laughing, i happen to think that the KT7-RAID is the worst mobo Abit has ever produced, pure low quality components.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[PCResources]

<< As for PCResources, he may know his stuff but read his first two posts, he sounded like a jackass and was not even addressing Rhodent's question. >>



Yes i was, i was recommending another mobo, and another solution... If i offended anyone, then i apologize, but just a little..

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[LXi]

<<Thanks for qouting polls.>>

You're definitely welcome, just to give you an idea of what people thinks.



<<So, lemme get this right. The people at Anandtech, Tomshardware, and a myriad of other sites are idoits? They seem to think the Abit is a very good board. No wait a minute before you get all pissy, yes, in the *past* Abit hasnt been anything to send to mom.>>

Before you get all pissy, let me tell you that Tomshardware is an Asus kiss up, and this very forum we're debating on is hosted by servers powered by MicroStar motherboards. Why does Anand choose MicroStar? Why does Dr.Pabst choose Asus? And why do techs stay away from Abit? You can figure it out.



<<But lets do some case studies. What do you think of Dodge (Yes the auto maker...) 15 or 20 years ago, they were crap. end of story. But, they got serious and turned their image around.>>

Guess what? Im a huge Chrysler fan, out of the big three(GM, Ford Chrysler), Chrysler is my favorite. Dodge cars are excellent, but again, I still favor the Japanese cars because of various reasons such as price, style, and quality.



<<Give Abit a chance. Maybe there trying to turn themselves around to. By just simply saying &quot;Well Abit has a history of...&quot; Ya, great woo hoo. Everything/body at one point or another has been less then appealing.>>

Oh yea? Abit's quality control has always been a joke, Im sorry but thats the truth, still hasnt changed one iota today.



<<The point is to bounce back. And Abit is doing a great job with the KT7-RAID. And I will laugh in ANYBODIES face who says differently. Not because they maybe dont know what their doing, but because there so damned closed minded that they will soon not know what there doing. Keep up with the times, and in this industry those times change *very* fast.>>

Why do you think people aren't giving Maxtor hard drives a second chance? Even though they've improved quite a bit. Do you think Asus and MSI will just sit around and goof off while Abit is improving? Fat chance, Asus and MSI are improving as much as Abit as we speak, like I said, as good as Abit becomes, Asus/MSI will become better, no way will Abit ever catch up. And whats the point of wasting your hard earned money on an &quot;improving&quot; company rather than be absolutely sure and bet your money on a company that has already have the reputation for reliability?

 

[Shockwave]

Well then Patrick, you leave me no choice...

I shall taunt you a second time!!
btw, in an effort to be open minded, whats the link to your site? Maybe this will help me understand our ways....

Spearfodder - I pretty much agree with you....The Abit is amazing for oc'ing, but I have had no probs with my Highpoint controller. But your not the first to say they have had problems....Seems like a short between the keyboard and chair to me... j/k Seriously, what certs do you have? Until you have a CCIE, I'm not impressed...

And lastly - Thats what makes this industry so great, the variety of products and people who are die hards for them. I love Abit. But yes, they have had some problems. I hate Intel. But I will still recommend them if someone is one a budget.
So, my final thoughts? Never drink cheap beer. It sucks....

 

[Rhodent]

I checked out the A7V from ASUS. I know ASUS are one of the best names out there. Only problem is that the board has not a single ISA slot. I need at least one. Gigabyte has a faily good board with 6 PCI and an ISA but it is more limited on the bus settings I can use. So far the best bet for features is the ABit. Also when you guys say problems are you refering to longevity of the board or flat out not working? Cause I am not one to hang onto hardware for a long time anyway. I am torn on what to do. Right now I have an ISA sound card that I want to use and Also have an ISA Adaptec 1505 SCSI card that I am thinking of useing. Here is an IDea maybe get a board with only one set of IDE's but that has the ISA and then I will get a SCSI burner and use my three Hard drives and my DVD on my IDE's. Does anyone know a link where I can learn about SCSI. I hear about SCSI 1,2,3 and SCSI wide and ultra wide. I do not know the difference but will need to know what I have here if I look into a SCSI burner. Thanks.

 

[Shockwave]

It should be apparent by now that your not gettin a straight answer here! Too much arguement over brand to get....But as I've said before. ABIT IS THE BEST!! As for good SCSi sites, try adaptec or plextors homepage, check the faqs and especuially on adaptecs, they had some good info if I remember correctly...

 

[LXi]

Sure Abit is the best, better than Asus, MicroStar and everybody else, just because... its Abit I guess? I cant find any particular reason why Abit is so much more appealing than Asus and MSI.

 

[Shockwave]

Jeez man, need I explain *everything*....
A bsolutely the
B est
I n
T echnology

Its in the name...

 

[LXi]

Is this a joke? I can joke.

Absolutely
Superior
Unquestionable
Sovereignty


Most
Smartest
Individuals

There Abit is still far behind.

 

[Dexion]

I'm not going to say Abit is THE BEST. However I give Shockwave some good credit for bringing valid points about Abit.

<< The people at Anandtech, Tomshardware, and a myriad of other sites are idoits? They seem to think the Abit is a very good board. No wait a minute before you get all pissy, yes, in the *past* Abit hasnt been anything to send to mom. But lets do some case studies. What do you think of Dodge (Yes the auto maker...) 15 or 20 years ago, they were crap. end of story. But, they got serious and turned their image around. Give Abit a chance. Maybe there trying to turn themselves around to. By just simply saying &quot;Well Abit has a history of...&quot; Ya, great woo hoo. >>

I can't help but say that he's very correct. You can't simply look at a companies history, and justify the quality of their products. Lets do more case studies why don't we? If we look at Intel these past couple months, its been completely dismal; Rambus promotion with &amp; ugly partnership splitup, 1.13Ghz processor failing &amp; finally getting recalled, i820 and the MTH bug issue. Why aren't we all accepting the fact that INTEL isn't as reliable as they used to be? Well one simple answer would be: Assumptions. Most majority of people look at previous histories of a company and come up with a perception of the company and their products. People still believe in Intel as the best Chip maker in the world, and look downly upon AMD(however its starting to change). This applies exactly(but opposite) upon Abit. In the past couple months, Abt has released products of higher quality; BX133-RAID, KT7, &amp; SA6R with good or excellent reviews given from familiar computer hardware sites(including Anandtech). Its just unfair to give an &quot;ASSUMED&quot; opinion of a product just because their previous product(s) of the same company were unsatisfactory. Regardless of what brand name a certain product maybe, the product should not by rated by the brand name it falls under. Instead, be rated on what it should be rated upon; performance, features, quality, and price.


While I'm not here to praise Abit's products or quality, I would like to defend Abit because own the KT7 product and find it very reliable. While I have had problems with previous Abit boards in the past, the KT7 has been a pleasant experience.

 

[Shockwave]

One thing is painfully apparent...Member rating has no correlation to member intelligence....This may apply to me as much as anybody, but one thing is for sure

ABIT IS WAY WAY BETTER THEN ANYTHING ELSE!! HELL, ITS BETTER THE SLICED BREAD AND PEANUT BUTTER AND WET CONCRETE AND.........MAN< EVEN THE SHUTTLE USES ABIT!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

 

[Shockwave]

*Hmpf*

A verage
S ustained
U ser
S atisfaction

Hmm, no number...Guess its a big fat ZERO!!

 

[Rhodent]

Whoever ICQ'ed me last night. Thanks a lot for your information. It was vry informative and I was in the middle of another question when my computer froze up and I had to reboot. I guess I shouldn't multitask while running defrag. LOL thanks