Is it true that only the raid version of this board have two sets of IDE's for a total of 8 devices. I was under the impression that the regular board simply had a ATA66 and an ATA 33 set each..and the raid version had two sets of ATA 100's. Is this correct? Also..if i get the raid version I do not have to use the raid correct? I can simply disable the raid and allow me to use up to 8 devices. correct? Is there another board that has features like this board that might better fit me? I deff want the extra device capability and a lot of PCI's on a solid board for overclocking. thanks all
Abit Kt7 RAID Question
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Forget the KT7, have a look at the K7T PRO2 from MSI instead, and if you want RAID, get SCSI, otherwise, just forget it.
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
Forget the KT7, have a look at the K7T PRO2 from MSI instead, and if you want RAID, get SCSI, otherwise, just forget it.
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
I do not want to run RAID. I want to be able to use more than 4 IDE devices which I can do with the raid version. That is why I was asking about the regular version if it had the extra set of IDE controllers.
Still, the Abit board is a bad buy, just get a MSI or Tekram board instead, if you need more disks, buy a second IDE adapter, or go SCSI if you can afford it.
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
PCResources:
Why don't you provide some feedback instead of saying Abit sucks, don't buy it, buy an MSI instead.
If you disable the raid you can still only use the standard 4 devices. Raid is a hard drive only deal. You can't use them as just more IDE ports, I think, I got the non-raid version.
Why don't you provide some feedback instead of saying Abit sucks, don't buy it, buy an MSI instead.
If you disable the raid you can still only use the standard 4 devices. Raid is a hard drive only deal. You can't use them as just more IDE ports, I think, I got the non-raid version.
Are you sure of this? I was almost certain that I saw a site boasting of the ability to hook up 8 devices. I was simply confused on whether the non raid version had the extra IDe's as well. And also, the MSI board is not for me. It does not have soft menu 3 and it does not have an ISA slot which I need and it does not either have any extra IDE capabilities. And the price is very close to the Abit board which I have heard and read good things about. If this abit board doesn't do what I need it to do..doesn't Asus make one that has this feature? I know I'v seen it in a Socket 370 version...I installed it.but they should have a Socket A version of some kind as well. That particular board has the ATA 66..and then a set of ATA33 controllers.. thanks
<< Why don't you provide some feedback instead of saying Abit sucks, don't buy it, buy an MSI instead. >>
Well, i simply cannot bring myself to suggest buying such a low quality board, so i guess i'll just shut up.
BTW, Gigabyte, Tekram, soyo, tyan, Leadtek, Asus or even Anigo would be a better choice in my book.
I'm not all MSI, you know. ;-)
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
yes you can hook up 8 ide devices. The onboard raid controller can act like a regular ATA100 controller.
so 4 devices for the onboard ATA66 controller and another 4 devices for the onboard highpoint ATA100 raid controller.
so 4 devices for the onboard ATA66 controller and another 4 devices for the onboard highpoint ATA100 raid controller.
The regular board has regular ATA-66 connectors (4 devices)
The raid board has the ATA-100/RAID controller in addition to the ATA-66, so
yes, if you don't use the raid it acts like just another controller, so
you should be able to attach another 4 devices.
I'm not sure I've heard of anyone fully populating the setup that way, but
I do know of people who are using the Highpoint controller as a regular
controller for additional devices, or as the boot controller in some cases.
The raid board has the ATA-100/RAID controller in addition to the ATA-66, so
yes, if you don't use the raid it acts like just another controller, so
you should be able to attach another 4 devices.
I'm not sure I've heard of anyone fully populating the setup that way, but
I do know of people who are using the Highpoint controller as a regular
controller for additional devices, or as the boot controller in some cases.
<< Well, i simply cannot bring myself to suggest buying such a low quality board >>
I think their are a lot of people who would disagree with you on that one. I don't think Abit is the BEST board either but low quality? Come on, your talking like it's a FIC or something.
Rhodent
No, the only thing you can plug into the other(raid)IDE ports are hard drives.
Quote from ABIT KT7 Manual: Two channels of Bus Master IDE Ports supporting up to four ATA-100 specifications Hard Drive devices.
Thanks guys for the help on this one. I am not planning to hook 8 devices but as of now I do have an additional 14 gig Hard drive that I would be adding on. And for that matter I would never have over 4 non-hard drive devices so I could always configure things to work out for me there. I have read a good bit and from all that and especially the review I read on anandtech a while back about this board it seemed to be THE board to have. And I see a lot of people do have it. With my requirements would you suggest any others? I thought this board was a very high quality board and is at what I would call a rather premium price. I need to handle over 4 devices. (ie typical 8) I need an ISA slot LOTS of PCI's would love 6. If something was onboard I could live with it. want to over clcok my chip so need a lot of bus, voltage, and clock adjustments. (I am unlocking the chip mulitplier) I prefer ATX but not crucial. If you guys have THE board in mind please feel free to suggest. I appreciate all replys. This is far to large an investment for me to not look at all the possibilities. Thanks
forget Abit for ide raid... their raid card has major performance problems, not to mention problems with ibm drives, get a good stable board (or use the one u have) and get a Promise FastTrack IDE 100 controller card.... check out the performance difference
http://www.ixbt-labs.com/storage/ata100raid-roundup.html
http://www.ixbt-labs.com/storage/ata100raid-roundup.html
I am not buying a board to use RAID. I was buying that board so could have more than 4 devices. and I do not want to use this board because I am going to reach a GHZ with a Thunderbird socket A. Any suggestions on a good board??
"Speaking for PC Resources"
Obviously they dont have a good reputation or they wouldnt hire trash....Anyways, I'm not here to flame idiots or the companies they represent.
The ABit is a great mobo. As for "If not scsi, forget it"
Once again, Such wisdom!! WTF?! Ok, so you buy a good SCSI RAID card. Know what? That card cost more then the Abit mobo. As for IDE RAID, it IS a good thing, dont let "Hardware expert" there fool you. It allows better performance then normal IDE devices, allows all the benfits or RAID AND is alot more pratical on a cost / performance standpoint for the home user. Hey, if your setting up Enterprise servers, I agree, only go SCSI. Theres a good website that benchmarks SCSI RAID / IDE RAID based on cluster size. I will try to find it. But yes, the Abit mobo is very nice, having 2 ATA/66 slots and 2 ATA/100 slots. And you dont have to use the RAID feature, in fact default is that its not implemented. However (naturally) you do need to install the drivers to use the ATA/100 interface. Also, the Abit mobo has excellent oc options in the bios and enough PCI slots to make anybody happy.
Speaking from experience and not using a companies name to make me look intelligent...
Obviously they dont have a good reputation or they wouldnt hire trash....Anyways, I'm not here to flame idiots or the companies they represent.
The ABit is a great mobo. As for "If not scsi, forget it"
Once again, Such wisdom!! WTF?! Ok, so you buy a good SCSI RAID card. Know what? That card cost more then the Abit mobo. As for IDE RAID, it IS a good thing, dont let "Hardware expert" there fool you. It allows better performance then normal IDE devices, allows all the benfits or RAID AND is alot more pratical on a cost / performance standpoint for the home user. Hey, if your setting up Enterprise servers, I agree, only go SCSI. Theres a good website that benchmarks SCSI RAID / IDE RAID based on cluster size. I will try to find it. But yes, the Abit mobo is very nice, having 2 ATA/66 slots and 2 ATA/100 slots. And you dont have to use the RAID feature, in fact default is that its not implemented. However (naturally) you do need to install the drivers to use the ATA/100 interface. Also, the Abit mobo has excellent oc options in the bios and enough PCI slots to make anybody happy.
Speaking from experience and not using a companies name to make me look intelligent...
Mr PC resources is very biast,... works for ASUS or been stung by a bad batch of abit's once I spose?
I know for a fact, I'll NEVER touch a ricoh CDR again in my lifetime.
I know for a fact, I'll NEVER touch a ricoh CDR again in my lifetime.
Biased my a$$....In my opinion, for what its worth, he's a complete idiot. But, thats why I read anandtech and not PC Resources...
<< Biased my a$$....In my opinion, for what its worth, he's a complete idiot. But, thats why I read anandtech and not PC Resources... >>
Sure, i am a biased idiot, but you know what, i have been in this business for more than 10 year now (in the business of designing high-end systems, whole networking systems and home computers) and i do speak from experience.
The thing is, i do not work for ASUS, MSI or any other company that produces computer components, i am the founder of PC Resources.
I have used many Abit boards in my days, and i have had a too high failure percentage to consider those boars high quality. If you chech out the design of the board and the components you can clearly see why i think so.
<< Speaking from experience and not using a companies name to make me look intelligent... >>
Well well, what exactly is your experience? As for using a companies name, the company i speak o is not A company, it is MY company, i decide what this company thinks and does, so of course, i am speaking for PC Resources.
As for IDE RAID 0, it will effectivly double the chances of a HDD crash, and this crash will destroy ALL of your data, not just part of it. RAID should never be used without fault tolerance, that is one of the main features of RAID anyway. IDE RAID does require your CPU to interact with every read/write operation of your HDD subsystem and will therefore eat up too much CPU power, it will also slow down the PCI bus/CPU bus, because of all the transfers to/from the CPU needed. SCSI RAID 5, if you cannot afford it, then do not RAID at all, that is my opinion, based on experience.
BTW, anyone knows why Abit never made a 750 board?
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources (not Asus, MSI, Tekram or any other company, just PC Resources)
Guys guys..there is no point in you sitting here bashing each other like this. I simply wanted some peoples opinions. I value them all. I was under the impression that the ABit was a quality board. Maybe not,,,maybe so. I do not even want to run raid if that is the only problem. I simply want to be able to use more than 4 IDE devices which this board allows me to do. If anyone knows of a better board that will let me do this PLEASE feel free to post that here so that I can check it out. Of course for socket A only. thanks all. everyone..just calm down..LOL
2 years Network Specialist, 1 Year WAN Specialist, 3 years building / designing home / network computers...
Ok, assuming what you say is true, then why do you always present your opinions in a biased way? Thats my biggest complaint. Yes, when you give an opinion, generally it seems you know what your talking about. But, since you always include "Speaking for PC Resources" I would expext it to be in a much more unbiased light. What if a home user wants good read write speed, but is very concerned about data relaibility and is on a budget? Are you going to say "No, IDE RAID sucks. SCSI or nothing. Tough man" Not if you want his business! So in those 10 years you nevber had to work with a budget. Ok, that would be just great! But guess what? Where I come from the sky is blue, I have to pay taxes and....theres ALWAYS a budget. Be it my paycheck, what person X wants to pay or what corporation X is going to pay. End of story. And if it cant be done on that budget, it doesnt get done, or its done another way. All I would like to see from you is either
A) Keep the "Speaking..." and be unbiased in the extreme, present options and benchmarks / specs, not "this or not worth it"
or
B) Drop the "Speaking..." and then by all means!! give your opinion. Bash whatever you like and I wont care ope whit! Tell everybody AMD sucks and Intel is the best and RDRAM can make elephants fly!
Yes, I would recommend SCSI RAID *every* time over IDE RAID, but IDE RAID is still a very viable option. It works. It works well. Set it up and run benchamrks on it and you will see. Granted, its not what SCSI is. But, its also not the high end / high cost that SCSI is either.
Ok, assuming what you say is true, then why do you always present your opinions in a biased way? Thats my biggest complaint. Yes, when you give an opinion, generally it seems you know what your talking about. But, since you always include "Speaking for PC Resources" I would expext it to be in a much more unbiased light. What if a home user wants good read write speed, but is very concerned about data relaibility and is on a budget? Are you going to say "No, IDE RAID sucks. SCSI or nothing. Tough man" Not if you want his business! So in those 10 years you nevber had to work with a budget. Ok, that would be just great! But guess what? Where I come from the sky is blue, I have to pay taxes and....theres ALWAYS a budget. Be it my paycheck, what person X wants to pay or what corporation X is going to pay. End of story. And if it cant be done on that budget, it doesnt get done, or its done another way. All I would like to see from you is either
A) Keep the "Speaking..." and be unbiased in the extreme, present options and benchmarks / specs, not "this or not worth it"
or
B) Drop the "Speaking..." and then by all means!! give your opinion. Bash whatever you like and I wont care ope whit! Tell everybody AMD sucks and Intel is the best and RDRAM can make elephants fly!
Yes, I would recommend SCSI RAID *every* time over IDE RAID, but IDE RAID is still a very viable option. It works. It works well. Set it up and run benchamrks on it and you will see. Granted, its not what SCSI is. But, its also not the high end / high cost that SCSI is either.
2 years Network Specialist, 1 Year WAN Specialist, 3 years building / designing home / network computers...
Ok, assuming what you say is true, then why do you always present your opinions in a biased way? Thats my biggest complaint. Yes, when you give an opinion, generally it seems you know what your talking about. But, since you always include "Speaking for PC Resources" I would expext it to be in a much more unbiased light. What if a home user wants good read write speed, but is very concerned about data relaibility and is on a budget? Are you going to say "No, IDE RAID sucks. SCSI or nothing. Tough man" Not if you want his business! So in those 10 years you nevber had to work with a budget. Ok, that would be just great! But guess what? Where I come from the sky is blue, I have to pay taxes and....theres ALWAYS a budget. Be it my paycheck, what person X wants to pay or what corporation X is going to pay. End of story. And if it cant be done on that budget, it doesnt get done, or its done another way. All I would like to see from you is either
A) Keep the "Speaking..." and be unbiased in the extreme, present options and benchmarks / specs, not "this or not worth it"
or
B) Drop the "Speaking..." and then by all means!! give your opinion. Bash whatever you like and I wont care ope whit! Tell everybody AMD sucks and Intel is the best and RDRAM can make elephants fly!
Yes, I would recommend SCSI RAID *every* time over IDE RAID, but IDE RAID is still a very viable option. It works. It works well. Set it up and run benchamrks on it and you will see. Granted, its not what SCSI is. But, its also not the high end / high cost that SCSI is either.
Granted, people get bad peices of hardware. I wont argue that point. In my experience though,the ABIT KT7_RAID is a very nice board with very good options.
Ok, assuming what you say is true, then why do you always present your opinions in a biased way? Thats my biggest complaint. Yes, when you give an opinion, generally it seems you know what your talking about. But, since you always include "Speaking for PC Resources" I would expext it to be in a much more unbiased light. What if a home user wants good read write speed, but is very concerned about data relaibility and is on a budget? Are you going to say "No, IDE RAID sucks. SCSI or nothing. Tough man" Not if you want his business! So in those 10 years you nevber had to work with a budget. Ok, that would be just great! But guess what? Where I come from the sky is blue, I have to pay taxes and....theres ALWAYS a budget. Be it my paycheck, what person X wants to pay or what corporation X is going to pay. End of story. And if it cant be done on that budget, it doesnt get done, or its done another way. All I would like to see from you is either
A) Keep the "Speaking..." and be unbiased in the extreme, present options and benchmarks / specs, not "this or not worth it"
or
B) Drop the "Speaking..." and then by all means!! give your opinion. Bash whatever you like and I wont care ope whit! Tell everybody AMD sucks and Intel is the best and RDRAM can make elephants fly!
Yes, I would recommend SCSI RAID *every* time over IDE RAID, but IDE RAID is still a very viable option. It works. It works well. Set it up and run benchamrks on it and you will see. Granted, its not what SCSI is. But, its also not the high end / high cost that SCSI is either.
Granted, people get bad peices of hardware. I wont argue that point. In my experience though,the ABIT KT7_RAID is a very nice board with very good options.
Biased? is stating my professional opinion really biased? I speak for myself and for my company, and my opinions comes from my experience. I usually give alternatives when i recommend something like for mobos, not Abit, but MSI, Tekram, Soyo (i used to say ASUS, but i'm not so sure anymore) this is what i recommend, and i do not think it is very biased. If a company is honest, recommending stuff that they have found tried and true, instead of just trying to make a sale, is that biased?
As for IDE RAID, no, my customers will never buy an IDE RAID system from me, and i will never recommend one, because if the damn thing fails, i will be held responsible, and i cannot sell things i do not believe in, but that's just me.
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
As for IDE RAID, no, my customers will never buy an IDE RAID system from me, and i will never recommend one, because if the damn thing fails, i will be held responsible, and i cannot sell things i do not believe in, but that's just me.
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
You guys need to seriously chill out here. How about put all this energy to good use and tell me if there is another "better" board that fits my needs. whadayasay?
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