ABIT KR7A-133 or IWILL XP333 ? Also, which DDR ?

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Jackbike

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Newegg was out of stock last week when I wanted an XP 333-R; had to get it from Micro-Pro at $106 + $12 shipping.
On the memory, has anyone used the Samsung "true PC 2700"? Historically samsung memory has been good, but I'd like feedback, as I am planning to overclock.

I also have now some PC 2100 Crucial memory. How well does that overclock? I'm planning on using the Thermaltake heat spreader and heatsinks with either the Thermaltake fan or another fan nearby blowing on the chips.
 

zogg

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Let me tell you that I have both boards with the same components installed on both boards including OCZ's pc3000 ram ddr that is supposed to easily hit 166 bus on a 266 board, well my abit kr7a raid with the pc3000 ram (copperclad) was an extra 5 bucks but worth the extra cooling properties) ran at 154 MHz at cas 2 on my abit board and it could only run at 133 bus cas 2.5 and i had to slow down some of the setings on my Iwill xp333 ram settings. The xp333 didnt want here about cas 2 it wouldnt even post with supossdly one of the best ddr ram modules out!

Go with Abit or asus if you want to overclock and still go with the latter if you want a system that will go right together without a hitch. It took me three days and many, many ,many reboots to a no post on xp333 its a sucky board if you ask me. I saw a website I forgot where, but this guy was praising the xp333 by Iwill, he said he had pc2400 ram running at 166 mhz ! I find that very hard to belive , especially when i couldnt get copper clad OCZ pc3000 ram to do 137 fsb on that board. Also his was a revision 2.0 that a lot of people complained about , because Iwill reused some left over kt266 board and just put a sticker over the silkscreened kt266 tag with a a label that said xp333...the kr7a raid hit 154 at cas2 on my abit kt7a raid so you decide. Do you want to mess around for days, where you want to take an ax to the board , or do you want a board that will work first time every time?
Hee is configuration on the iwill:

abit geforce 3 TI200 video card, 21 inch monitor, ocz pc3000 ram 256 megs copper clad, ibm 60 7200 ata 100 hdrive,iwill revision2.1 xp333 no raid, audigy sound card which was takin out becuase of too many conflicts so I opted for the omnboard 5,1 hardware sound which sounded very good with my cambridge 4,1 speaker setup, plextor 16x burner , liteon dvd, rounded ide cables all around, 3 case fans in a OCZ Titanium 900, Aluminum Case/enermax 360 watt wisper cool dual fan PS with speed dial on second fan,xp1600+ cpu, tornado cooler, intel 10/100 nic, windows 98/2k dual boot.

Abit system:

Kr7A Raid four maxtor ata 133 7200 drives in raid 0+1, ocz copper clad 256 meg pc3000 ram ddr,TBird (not an xp) 1400 MHz ( not as good as a 1400mhz xp which called the xp1600+),audigy platinum sound card, cambridge sound wokrks speakers 4.1, intel 10/100 nic, ( i find the intel nics give me much better performance and configuration options so they are worth the extra money especially if you play multiplayer 3d fsp games which most of do here at anandtech forums), Abit Geforce3 ti200 video card, same 21 inch monitor with a kvm switch by belkin,rounded cables all around , full tower super case with mucho fanage, TDK 32x burner, liteon dvd.




abit kr7a is the schiznick!
 

Jayczar

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I had the same dilemma having both of these boards.
I wound up keeping the Abit and selling the Iwill.
 

JustStarting

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The KR7A is a great board. Mine was flawless and easy to set up with some memory timing recommendations off Paul's FAQ. The difference between the KR7A and the KR7A133 is the south bridge I believe. Just a different version that allows ATA133 on all IDE's instead of just IDE 3 & 4. The subtle difference is on the Abit site (too lazy to check again). You will be rewarded with a great performing, stable setup. Peruse the "help me" threads and decide for yourself which board you would buy with your hard earned cash. I wouldn't leave out the EPOX 8KHA+ either. With a beta bios that allows 1/5 divider it will OC well also. I've built 2 with the EPOX, but my main rig is an Abit KR7A-Raid.
 

zogg

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If you want over clock go with abit if you like tweekability to the max or go with asus if you over clockability that is on par with abit , but you dont have all hose cool adjustments where you can change the speed of the traces in the board from north bridge to memeory slots in off the wall increments like 2.38 nano secs and then next one is 2.5 its wild how you tweak in nano seconds on an abit.
 

zogg

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<< One thing I don't like about the XP333 is the positioning of the main power connector ... it is placed very badly right next to the AGP connector ! I like the layout otherwise and just wish they had changed this one thing.

the reason why they do that is because AMD won't put the board on he approved list unless it's setup that way. they say it improves stability and reduces EMI. It makes sense because the power from the supply goes directly into the three phase voltage regulalater and is positioned as aclos a possible to cpu so there is a very short trace to the cpu from the connector to the regulator to the cpu.

 

Abyssiann

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hey psx, you'll probably be happy with either, it's really just up to you. There are so many great boards out now it's really hard to decide. Usually comes down to features or what you want to pay for a board. I know that doesn't really help but I did just build a computer recently with the XP333, and I'm very pleased with the performence of it. WIth an AthlonXP 1600+ (still locked) and OCZ 2700 I managed to push 10.5@163 (for now since it's still locked I can't lower the multiplier). Been stable at the for about a month now (runs all day, everyday).

 

psxjunky

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Wow ! Thanks guys !

I had finally bought the IWILL XP333-R board earlier this month and my experience so far has not at all been good ! This board seems to be VERY picky about what RAM you are using. Also there is an issue of using a DVD Drive alongwith an AGP card. I ordered the Corsair XMS 512MB PC2700 memory with this board, but the board won't go any higher than 100MHz with that memory ! I was getting all sorts of erros when the FSB is set to 133MHz. Finally I had to RMA the Corsair and get a different memory.

I think I am going to return the XP333-R too and get the ABIT KR7A-RAID133 instead. There is a price difference of $28 between these two boards ... but I am hoping it will be worth it.

Also, because the ABIT board doesn't have any on-board sound, I'll need to get a new sound card as well ... any suggestions on a decent (but not so pricey) sound card ?

 

Abyssiann

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Hey psx there is a jumper on the board that's set when you first get it at 100mhz, did you set it to 133???
 

CoDerEd

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Go with the ABIT KR7A-RAID133, That's the best
you can OC better with the Iwill if you know the trick
but in real life performance and in Benchmark (Sandra)
KT266A still outruns AliMagik.

Now I'm runing KR7A-Raid on FSB 145 and everything runs great.
 

CoDerEd

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<<Also, because the ABIT board doesn't have any on-board sound, I'll need to get a new sound card as well ... any suggestions on a decent (but not so pricey) sound card ?>>

Don't use Creative, they don't get along with KT266A specially KR7A
get Hercules, or Turtle Beach.



See here
 

ShinSa

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Some people were having problems with audigy and kr7a. My SB live and Kr7a works flawlessly, however.
 

psxjunky

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<< Hey psx there is a jumper on the board that's set when you first get it at 100mhz, did you set it to 133??? >>



Abyssiann: Yup ! That's the one I am talking about. If I leave the jumper at the default setting (100MHz) everything works fine ... but the BIOS doesn't report the correct CPU speed for my Athlon XP 1700+ (reports lower) and the machine runs much slower. If I set the jumper to 133MHz (which is the 'normal' setting for my configuration), the system becomes VERY flaky and WinXP Pro (or Win2K) installation always ends up with a BSOD.

CoDerEd: Thanks for the suggestion on the sound card ... because I was thinking about going with the SoundBlaster Live! OEM ($32 @ Newegg) or Audigy Retail ($61 @ Newegg). Do you know what exactly is the problem with SoundBlaster cards ? Is there any work around to these problems ? I would really like to go with a SoundBlaster card if at all possible. In the past I have had many incompatibility problems with my non name brand sound cards and the support for those have been almost non-existent ! With Creative cards I am almost ensured that any future version of Windows will have at least native support for it.

 

tinman101

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It is not just the KR7 that has problems with sound blaster, it is the VIA chip. Audigy just hates it . I went with a Tutle Beach Santa Cruz and LOVE it. Sells for 60-75 bucks and team it with a set of Z540's and it rocks.
 

JustStarting

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I was having slight problems getting my board to run stable @ 133. Tweaking the bios yielded graet performance and stability.

Here are some RAM settings that cured my instability: I am using Bios 6G- I didn't see the need to update to 6N since I got it working.

From SoftmenuIII Setup:
DDR voltage= 2.75V


From Advanced Chipset Features/DRAM clock:
DRAM clock= 133
timing= manual
cas= 2
interleave= 4
Precharge to active(trp)= 2T
Active to Precharge (Tras)= 5T
Active to CMD= 2T
DDR DQS input= Auto
DDR DQS Output= Auto
DRAM que= 4 Level
Drive strength= Hi
DRAM Command= 2T (try this first- if stable then try 1T)
DCLK Feedback= 0ps

I also enabled the 15M-16M memory hole- probably not necessary.
 

CoDerEd

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I don't know what's create the problem, but the problem itself
is very various, some people can not install at all, my problem was it
makes the crackling noise when in game or play mp3. Some people
luckyly has no problem at all, like ShinSa.

Actually, I love the feature on Audigy more than my Hercules now
but Hercules works flawlessly has no problem whatsoever.
It's just lack of feature like the sound effect and stuff.
Also I like the console they have, it's nice for $100 sound card
it will cost you twice as that on Audigy or even SBLive Platinum.

<<With Creative cards I am almost ensured that any future
version of Windows will have at least native support for it>>


That's what I like up to SB AWE 64 and SBLive I used to have.
but since I have Audigy on my asus a7v133 and i install win XP
it doesn't have native support anymore, we have to install the driver.

It's your call, I've seen good thread and report about Turtle Beach but
personally i never have one, so there is nothing i can tell you aout that one.

good luck
 

CoDerEd

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<<I didn't see the need to update to 6N since I got it working.>>
What I know, 6N just added support for XP2000+

btw/ I also set it up to Ultra on the SOFTMENUIII
I forgot the name on some fast command or something like that.
(I can't check the BIOS and typing this, unfortunatelly).

 

rbV5

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<< This board seems to be VERY picky about what RAM you are using. Also there is an issue of using a DVD Drive alongwith an AGP card >>



The ram slots are tight on this board, are you absolutely sure your ram is seated? It WILL lock into place and still NOT be fully seated. I nearly RMA'd my ram also, untill I read alot of posts on another forum. I had a stick that wouldn't POST at all, the other would POST, but was unstable as you describe. I had to push my ram in (literally flexing the PCB of the MB)until I heard a loud click. Now both sticks have been flawless for weeks now (as well as the board) and will go +200 FSB cas 2.5 and 188FSB cas 2 (my current stable setting).

Also, what is the DVD issue, Ive noticed nothing?
 

psxjunky

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<< The ram slots are tight on this board, are you absolutely sure your ram is seated? It WILL lock into place and still NOT be fully seated. I nearly RMA'd my ram also, untill I read alot of posts on another forum. I had a stick that wouldn't POST at all, the other would POST, but was unstable as you describe. I had to push my ram in (literally flexing the PCB of the MB)until I heard a loud click. Now both sticks have been flawless for weeks now (as well as the board) and will go +200 FSB cas 2.5 and 188FSB cas 2 (my current stable setting). >>



Yes, I am aware of the problem with tight RAM slots, and pushed the stick as hard as possible without breaking the board. I even pulled the board out of the case, set it on a flat surface and installed the RAM and it seemed perfectly fit ... but the problem was still there.

Also, if it was an issue with the RAM not seating properly, why would it work falwlessly at 100MHz FSB but not at 133MHz ?

I finally got the ABIT KR7A-133RAID yesterday and the exact same RAM is running rockstable at 145 FSB (even with an unlocked Athlon XP 1700+).

I must say that I am pretty disappointed at IWILL and the XP333-R :(




<< Also, what is the DVD issue, Ive noticed nothing? >>



When I called IWILL tech support, they told me there was an issue with AGP cards and DVD-ROM drives on this board (ver 2.1) and you have to cut a trace on the board behind the BIOS to fix this. They also sent me a PDF for the Engineering Change Notice (#ECN-XP333-R-08 titled "Amend some part DVD-ROM and AGP card coherence of problem." issued on Jan 31,02) that showed where exactly to cut the trace. This fix was already done on my board, so I didn't have to do it myself ... but that obviously was not my issue.
 

psxjunky

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Does anyone know where I can find a comparative review between the TurtleBeach Santa Cruz and SB Audigy ?
 

ShinSa

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<< Does anyone know where I can find a comparative review between the TurtleBeach Santa Cruz and SB Audigy ? >>



Come on psxjunky, stop being so lazy.
 

psxjunky

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Trust me ShinSa ... I have done my homework and already searched myself, and while I can find plenty of reviews for both the TurtleBeach Santa Cruz and SB Audigy ... they are all individual reviews. Some of the reviews do mention the other card, but I still haven't found anything that does a true head-to-head comparison of these two cards.

That's why I asked if anyone has found a truly comparative review for these two cards.
 

rbV5

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<< Also, if it was an issue with the RAM not seating properly, why would it work falwlessly at 100MHz FSB but not at 133MHz ? >>



Dunno, 33MHz makes a difference maybe? My hardrive works flawlessly up to 38-39 MHz on the PCI bus, 40MHz..no good, so even 1MHz can make a difference. My guess= bad MB. I'm running mine at 188FSB cas2, it'll go to 202FSB at cas2.5. with no issues, so the XXP333-R can be a great board, has for me. Looks like your new board is working fine for you.
 

billyjak

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I have the Audigy with my KR7A Raid bord and rin 11x 156 on my KR7A Raid board just fine.
 

tinman101

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well billyjack you are one of the lucky ones then, Audigy hates the VIA chip regardless of board brand. Have Santa Cruz on a KR7A with Z540s and it really rocks.