Abit IP35-E Review (500MHz FSB board)...$90 @ NewEgg + $6.61 ship

[SerpentRoyal]

Abit groups the PWM output devices at one location to facilitate cooling. Asus and Gigabyte spread them all over the board.

The Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L has no PWM heat sink. Overclocking this board with a quad can result in very high PWM temp without sufficient air flow from a down-draft CPU cooler.

 

[monohouse]

I have reached 460 FSB without increasing any voltage anywhere, I reduced the cpu multiplier deliberately to prevent it from needing more voltage, does this make any sense ?

http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ock-voltage-460FSB.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...monohouse/spd-3220.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ohouse/memory-3219.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...monohouse/cpu-3220.png

oh yeah btw room temp is 27 C

what if I can get further at stock voltage ?
what does overclocking without additional voltage increases means ?

I tried 470 Mhz but failed, then I bumped up DRAM voltage from 1.80 to 1.85 in BIOS. and now it's running and testing it, I think it will be fine at 470 now:

http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ock-voltage-470FSB.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...monohouse/cpu-3290.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ohouse/memory-3290.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...use/mainboard-3290.png

470 Mhz @ stock NB voltage....wtf ?! are you sure that it really needs the voltage at 430 and higher ? looks like only at 470 and higher

and yhe don't be confused by the "CPU Fan" speed because this is the RAM fan being connected to the CPU FAN slot, the cpu is of corse cooled with water

I have reached 480 FSB with stock NB voltage !, tried 490 but the system does not post anymore

hmmm, I think I have a problem !, it seems that no matter what is being done the system will refuse to boot at 490 FSB ((((

I tried to increase voltages everywhere, sometimes a little more than should be necessary but it has no effect, the system will not reboot from BIOS after the change has been made...

however, if the system is being shut down, then the PSU power switch has been shut down, and then try to boot it with PSU power switch being off several times, then power the PSU, then power up the system and the system will boot at 490 Mhz ! strange ! but if it still works then why not, unfortunately when the system powers up after that it defaults to stock FSB, which is not good, so this does not work

I think the maximum reachable FSB with the mobo is only 480, maybe a little bit higher, managed to reach 489 Mhz with stock NB voltage

 

[SerpentRoyal]

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[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: monohouse
I have reached 460 FSB without increasing any voltage anywhere, I reduced the cpu multiplier deliberately to prevent it from needing more voltage, does this make any sense ?

http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ock-voltage-460FSB.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...monohouse/spd-3220.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ohouse/memory-3219.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...monohouse/cpu-3220.png

oh yeah btw room temp is 27 C

what if I can get further at stock voltage ?
what does overclocking without additional voltage increases means ?

I tried 470 Mhz but failed, then I bumped up DRAM voltage from 1.80 to 1.85 in BIOS. and now it's running and testing it, I think it will be fine at 470 now:

http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ock-voltage-470FSB.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...monohouse/cpu-3290.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ohouse/memory-3290.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...use/mainboard-3290.png

470 Mhz @ stock NB voltage....wtf ?! are you sure that it really needs the voltage at 430 and higher ? looks like only at 470 and higher

and yhe don't be confused by the "CPU Fan" speed because this is the RAM fan being connected to the CPU FAN slot, the cpu is of corse cooled with water

I have reached 480 FSB with stock NB voltage !, tried 490 but the system does not post anymore

hmmm, I think I have a problem !, it seems that no matter what is being done the system will refuse to boot at 490 FSB ((((

I tried to increase voltages everywhere, sometimes a little more than should be necessary but it has no effect, the system will not reboot from BIOS after the change has been made...

however, if the system is being shut down, then the PSU power switch has been shut down, and then try to boot it with PSU power switch being off several times, then power the PSU, then power up the system and the system will boot at 490 Mhz ! strange ! but if it still works then why not, unfortunately when the system powers up after that it defaults to stock FSB, which is not good, so this does not work

I think the maximum reachable FSB with the mobo is only 480, maybe a little bit higher, managed to reach 489 Mhz with stock NB voltage

My E6320 topped out at 488MHz FSB. System is not stable north of 495MHz. The MB may top out at 490MHz FSB, or perhaps the chip is not capable of 500MHz. Highest FSB speed is usually attainable at default CPU multi. Remember that too much NB and SB juice can cause system instability.

Use memory divider and memtest86, test #5 (50 loops) to confirm that your RAM is good to at least 550MHz. Very few chips can crack 500MHz FSB. Someone had a screen shot of this board @ 500MHz FSB...see my 1st post.

 

[monohouse]

saw the first post and the someone's results, im quite sure that this ram is stable over 1000 mhz, but I will check, still are you suggesting that I start increasing CPU multiplier from 7 to 8 ?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Run Orthos Large mode for 1 to 2 hours. I had to bump VTT, NB, and SB up one notch or system will fail within 20 minutes. This board can easily hit 450MHz at stock settings.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: monohouse
saw the first post and the someone's results, im quite sure that this ram is stable over 1000 mhz, but I will check, still are you suggesting that I start increasing CPU multiplier from 7 to 8 ?

My E6320 can easily hit 488MHz FSB. I can run 32M SP @ 495MHz, but Orthos Large will fail within 15 minutes. Again, I don't have access to a known 530MHz FSB chip.

http://www.navig8r.net/pics/e6550.jpg

 

[monohouse]

ok, I have here is the results for standard 480 FSB:

http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ock-voltage-480FSB.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...monohouse/cpu-3360.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ohouse/memory-3360.png

and this is with CPU multiplier going up to 8x:

http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ohouse/15050V-185V.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...monohouse/cpu-3840.png
http://i216.photobucket.com/al...ohouse/memory-3840.png

as names state, cpu voltage BIOS setting is 1.5050V, DRAM 1.85V, all else is stock voltage

15050V-185V.png correction: CPU temp gone up to 61C (each), and PWM to 58C after 20 minutes of the test being running, the voltage on the radiator fans is still 5V only

now I stopped the test and switched to running Large mode
damn ! Orthos Large failed after 3 minutes 25 seconds
now I have increased VTT to 2.375V and it failed after 2 minutes 26 seconds
now increased NB to 1.290V, failed after 4 minutes 36 seconds
now increased SB to 1.55V, failed after 6 minutes 40 seconds
now increased CPU to 1.5250, self-test 1024K passed after 16 minutes
cpu temp is 63 each, pwm 59, mobo 28, room temp is still 27C
large test running for more than 25 minutes and still running, maybe it was the lack of cpu voltage that caused the problems, maybe I should decrease all the other components' voltage now and see if it still stable ?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

I only test with Orthos Large mode. 1 to 2 hours is good enuff. The CPU appears to be maxed out. Your 1M SP time @ 7x multi is about the same as my 16.225 sec run @ 3.49GHz (E4300/1.465Vcore/388MHz FSB).

Probably not a good idea to push Vcore north of 1.5.

 

[monohouse]

hmmmm, I have managed to boot and reboot at 500x8, but I am having freezes during the large test at 1.5850V, it seems that no matter what I am increasing or decreasing it does not seem to solve the freezing problem...


I am now trying to run Orthos Large at 1.5250V / 1.85V and all the rest at stock voltage 480*8 1:1, I think that the lack of cpu voltage was the cause for the instability problem with the Large test

 

[SerpentRoyal]

I have no doubt that the board can hit 500MHz FSB. The key is to find good chip and RAMs that can run at this speed without dumping a lot of Vcore. I suspect Peryn will be able to cruise at this speed without much fuss.

 

[monohouse]

the voltage in cpu-z is about 0.075V lower than it is in bios, which is correct the bios or the cpu-z for the actual voltage going into the cpu ?

the Orthos Large mode is stable for 13 minutes at 480x8 with 1.5250 V (1.456V cpu-z) and 1.85V DRAM, good enough or try to increase some more FSB until it gets to limit ? (no more voltage)

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Vdroop will lower the actual voltage set in BIOS by 0.04 to 0.09V depending on dual/quad CPU. I run C1E and EIST at default multi and dial-in 1.465V in BIOS (+10% over VID). Idle voltage is around 1.29 with load voltage @ 1.42 (Orthos Large mode). CPU will never see 1.46V thanks to C1E and EIST.

 

[monohouse]

I have both of these on as well, but I set in BIOS 1.5250V and in CPU-z it shows 1.456 / 1.464 / 1.472, you set 1.465 in bios or see it in cpu-z ?

im guessing you put 1.465 in bios and see 1.42 in cpuz,
looks like the Orthos test is stable after 20 minutes, I think the cpu voltage was what's missing

 

[SerpentRoyal]

I'm seeing about 0.04Vdroop with my overclock. This board runs fine with many DC/QC chips at default voltages as long as you have good RAMs.

 

[monohouse]

ok duude thanks tomorrow I will try some more, the orthos test is complete, about 1 hour, I think 480*8 is enough for the time being (2 years or so)

 

[Seven]

Is this MB will work with this memory?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231098

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: monohouse
ok duude thanks tomorrow I will try some more, the orthos test is complete, about 1 hour, I think 480*8 is enough for the time being (2 years or so)

I would drop Vcore to 1.46 and find the highest stable FSB speed. You'll never be able to differentiate between 3.5GHz and 3.8GHz.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Seven
Is this MB will work with this memory?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231098

Should work if you believe in the rated 1.8-2.0Vdimm. I like a sure thing...Kingston "N5" 1.8V DDR2 800. These modules will do 400MHz @ 4-4-4-12-2T with only 1.8V. 2.1Vdimm should yield at least 450MHz @ 4-4-4-12-2T.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820134117

 

[monohouse]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: monohouse
ok duude thanks tomorrow I will try some more, the orthos test is complete, about 1 hour, I think 480*8 is enough for the time being (2 years or so)

I would drop Vcore to 1.46 and find the highest stable FSB speed. You'll never be able to differentiate between 3.5GHz and 3.8GHz.

I hear you, so this is mutch more recommended than 1.5250, damn dude this sucks, I could have buyed a 4400 or some other cheap-version, the almost-best dual core and gets to the same speeds as the cheap editions, should have known

I don't think I ran the 1M test at 480x7, it's just a record of what I have ran previously I think, but I will run it now to see

I could have buyed a 4400 or some other cheap-version, the almost-best dual core and gets to the same speeds as the cheap editions, should have known

on the other hand...the price difference between the E6750 and E6320 is only ~25$....I guess I didn't loose anything at all ! well almost maybe because the difference between E6750 and E4400 is around 100$, this is where thing get significant, the 4400 appears to be the cheapest available, but strange that a 6320 is mutch more expensive than a 4400

if you think it's better to run up to 1.46V then at what multiplier would you recommend that ? 7 or 8 ?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Always default CPU multiplier to take advantage of C1E and EIST.

 

[hokiealumnus]

Originally posted by: monohouse

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: monohouse
ok duude thanks tomorrow I will try some more, the orthos test is complete, about 1 hour, I think 480*8 is enough for the time being (2 years or so)

I would drop Vcore to 1.46 and find the highest stable FSB speed. You'll never be able to differentiate between 3.5GHz and 3.8GHz.

I hear you, so this is mutch more recommended than 1.5250, damn dude this sucks, I could have buyed a 4400 or some other cheap-version, the almost-best dual core and gets to the same speeds as the cheap editions, should have known

I don't think I ran the 1M test at 480x7, it's just a record of what I have ran previously I think, but I will run it now to see

I could have buyed a 4400 or some other cheap-version, the almost-best dual core and gets to the same speeds as the cheap editions, should have known

on the other hand...the price difference between the E6750 and E6320 is only ~25$....I guess I didn't loose anything at all ! well almost maybe because the difference between E6750 and E4400 is around 100$, this is where thing get significant, the 4400 appears to be the cheapest available, but strange that a 6320 is mutch more expensive than a 4400

if you think it's better to run up to 1.46V then at what multiplier would you recommend that ? 7 or 8 ?

Well, you paid for a couple of things over the E4xxx series.

First is the extra 2M of L2 cache (not to be confused with L2 stepping ).

You are also able to obtain speeds I couldn't make it to with my E4400. In my suicide runs to see what I could run 24/7 if I didn't care about the longevity of my CPU and if I had water cooling, the best I got was 3.45GHz at my personal limit of 1.565 set in BIOS. Chip sees ~1.53-54 under load.

Due to such high voltages, I have backed off to the OC in my sig, which requires an increase of .04v over VID. It looks like you made it to 3.33GHz with about the same increase, so there is that.

Considering you made it to 3.8Ghz with 1.505 set in BIOS and mine stopped at 3.4GHz with 1.505 set in BIOS, your speed increase is almost 12%...not too shabby. (Yes, it took .06v to get from 3.4 to 3.45...definitely at or very close to the limit of my chip.)

Then there's what some would consider the advantage of running a higher FSB b/c you have a lower multi. It leads to better benchmarking at the expense of higher temperatures on other system components. From your sig, you have that well under control. Real-life advantages to the higher FSB are a big debate, but it doesn't hurt!

Oh, and regarding Vcore, Serpent is on the safe end of acceptable over-VID-Vcore. I totally agree with him because I like my equipment. Since you're running it for only ~2 years, you would probably be ok going with the higher limit. I've seen 10-15% over VID is "safe". So if your VID is 1.325 like mine, you could probably go to 1.5238 and be ok. Intel rates your chip to 1.5v.

The only problem is, over time the CPU develops a 'tolerance' and will require more Vcore to achieve the same overclock, so then you'll have to choose between increasing Vcore or decreasing FSB. Since you've said you're only staying with this for 2 years, I'd venture you could run 1.505 24/7 with C1E & EIST enabled and be just fine, especially being on water. Anyway...that's my .02 on the issue. Of course, you overvolt at your own risk.

I said all that to say this, if I had the money to get that chip, I'd do it. From the looks of it, you got your money out of it, so don't be disappointed!

 

[pekay26]

hi there
strange thing, I turned on my comp today and had no video signal, also the power led was off though all other components seemed to be working; could it be because I set my kingston value ram @ 800mhz 5-5-5-15 ? (1:20)

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Pull power cord from PSU. Remove battery. Put CMOS in clear position. Wait 1/2 hour. Replace battery and CMOS. If PC will not POST, then check PSU.

Which PSU are you using? A basic overclocked rig will need about 180-200 watts. The PSU should have at least 18A continuous from the +12VDC output rails. I would not touch any PSU with less than 240 watts at the 12VDC rails.

You're running 400 RAM at 480MHz. Did you tested stability with Memtest86? Quality N5 ValueRAM needs about 2.0V to run at this speed.



http://www.newegg.com/Product/...A380+380W+Power+Supply

 

[TungFree]

My Question is Antech Blue 480 watt power supply 20pin/4 pin 12volt plugs
Dangerous to use with the below ?
I am not a game player and if I over clock it may be to 3.0 mhz CPU clock from 2.4

I ran this question on a CPU thread and received mixed messages
Will I be compromising my system Antech Blue 480 watt power supply 20pin/4 pin 12volt plugs. Is it dangerous to use it with the below ?


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