Abit IP35-E Review (500MHz FSB board)...$90 @ NewEgg + $6.61 ship

[DAC21]

UnIrit


DDR2-800 at 3.2 ghz at 1:1 ratio is underclocked. The other components you have bought are pretty top notch, you can get buy with value RAM. Why not 2 x GB Ballistix 4 4 4 12 for about $55 after rebate at Buy.com. A bit more future proof.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: KIAman
I just got this board and installed it last night. To my dismay, my PSU did not have an 8pin 12v1ATX connector and only a 4 pin.

My E6420 booted up and immediately went to BIOS to tune it to 3.4 (8x425) and installed windows.

As an experiment, I tried a SUPER razor thin layer of AS5, I mean so super thin, it was transparent.

In the same exact case and devices (only the MB is different) my idle temps dropped by 6c and load temps by 4c!!!

I just hope it doesn't evaporate so my CPU won't go poof!

Depending on the motherboard, that could be a huge difference alone.

 

[KIAman]

Ahh, sorry about the lack of information.

My previous motherboard was.... Abit IB9 which has an amazing resemblance to the IP35-E

 

[funks]

Any of you guys having probles with WOL (wake on lan) not working on this board?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: UnIrit
Serpent,

Incredible job on all your work on the IP35-E! Thanks for steering me to my first overclocker.

Purchased: IP35-E, Corsair 520, C2D 4500, Big Typhoon, Antec p182, 24" SOYO monitor

Shopping for: 750 Ghz HD (too hot vs 500Ghz?), 2GB of memory (for my Win XP SP2, 32 bit), Samsung 203B,
8800 GTX.


Will the following ram overclock to 3.2G much better than the 667 variety?

Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Thanks again!

If you intend to overclock RAMs, then I would suggest the Kingston N5 1.8V DDR2 800. Not dirt cheap, but should be able to run four sticks @ +450MHz 4-4-4-12-2T with 2.1Vdimm.

4400/4500 are basically the same chip. Get two or four sticks of $9/GB HP/Crucial 1.8V DDR2 667 RAMs. You can run the RAMs up to about 340MHz speed (3.74GHz core speed) with 4-4-4-12-2T/2.0Vdimm. Core speed is KING. No need to spend 3 to 5x the price to overclock your memory.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820134117

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...erthread=y&STARTPAGE=5

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: KIAman
Ahh, sorry about the lack of information.

My previous motherboard was.... Abit IB9 which has an amazing resemblance to the IP35-E

You'll see the same temperature profile if you use the default IP35-E's 11 BIOS. 12 BIOS is 15C hotter (same as core temp). IB9 is the P965 version of IP35-E.

 

[Zap]

If anyone cares, Newegg seems to have dropped their price, plus is also offering the rebate, so there's just about price parity between them and Mwave on this board.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

The $5 PriceGrabber review is back...$66 if you go with the MWAVE and PriceGrabber offers. Quite a few here with E21x0 and E4x00 around 3.5GHz with this combo. You'll probably need to bump Vcore to about 1.48 to achieve Orthos stability.

http://computers.pricegrabber....opular-/popup1_attr_id[]=278/

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=BA23929&RSKU=BA23929

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2099932&enterthread=y

 

[UnIrit]

DAC21,

Probably a noob question but by future proof do you mean higher overal DDR@-800 clock speed potential, RAM stability/longevity or something else?

Thanks

 

[DAC21]

Originally posted by: UnIrit
DAC21,

Probably a noob question but by future proof do you mean higher overal DDR@-800 clock speed potential, RAM stability/longevity or something else?

Thanks

Ability to keep up with CPU upgrades (1066 or 1333 FSB) in the future.

 

[Gramps]

Short-term reader, first time caller.

I'm building a machine for the first time since the S-100 bus and CP/M. Sure I've made minor upgrades here and there (RAM, HDD, etc.) but not built machines. I've not installed any motherboards or even much in the way of CPU upgrades. I've not dealt with fans and cooling at all. It's just been cheaper to buy them (and still is for me). I'm building because I have specific parts I want and it's easier to just get exactly what I want rather than trying to shine a turd (so to speak).

Anyway, I have a IP35-E on the way along with an E2140. I have 1GBx2 of the HP RAM in my paws. I have CoolerMaster eXtremePower 430W power supply that I'll put in some case (haven't decided yet... hoping for one with both USB2 and eSATA connectors in front, but maybe the CM-690), and I have an Diamond ATI 2600XT 256MB w/fan on the way.

I will definitely try to overclock it at some point, but I'm most interested in a successful out-of-box experience. SerpentRoyal has already outlined zero filling HD's, resetting CMOS's, etc. and I'm going to print that and heed it when the time comes. I also have the notes: "You can run the RAMs up to about 340MHz speed (3.74GHz core speed) with 4-4-4-12-2T/2.0Vdimm" and "Select 1:1 memory divider and input 278MHz FSB" which I'll keep in mind for the future. But in essence, I want to make sure I get the thing up and running before I outfit it with jet packs. This brings me to my question. I see the discussion of AS5 quite a bit, as well as things like ThermalTake's Big Typhoon. I get it conceptually, but not practically. To get this machine up an running, do I need either product?

Is a Thermal Compound necessary?
Will the CPU come with some type of thermal compound?
If I need it, I better get the good stuff right away because it'll be hell on wheels to remove later, right?
Doesn't the "retail" CPU come with a CPU cooling fan? Is this enough for standard usage and maybe limited overclocking?

In the meantime, I'll keep reading as I've been doing for the last few weeks, and take it slow when the parts get here. The good thing about doing what I'm doing is I'll finally have a machine that I know what's in it, and I can upgrade it quite a bit down the line. Any feedback is appreciated.

P.S. If there's a guide I should read, just point me to it.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: DAC21

Originally posted by: UnIrit
DAC21,

Probably a noob question but by future proof do you mean higher overal DDR@-800 clock speed potential, RAM stability/longevity or something else?

Thanks

Ability to keep up with CPU upgrades (1066 or 1333 FSB) in the future.

1333FSB is 333MHz (native speed for DDR2 667). The HP will easily overclock to 400MHz with 2.0V but at a more relaxed timing 5-5-5-15-2T.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Gramps
Short-term reader, first time caller.

I'm building a machine for the first time since the S-100 bus and CP/M. Sure I've made minor upgrades here and there (RAM, HDD, etc.) but not built machines. I've not installed any motherboards or even much in the way of CPU upgrades. I've not dealt with fans and cooling at all. It's just been cheaper to buy them (and still is for me). I'm building because I have specific parts I want and it's easier to just get exactly what I want rather than trying to shine a turd (so to speak).

Anyway, I have a IP35-E on the way along with an E2140. I have 1GBx2 of the HP RAM in my paws. I have CoolerMaster eXtremePower 430W power supply that I'll put in some case (haven't decided yet... hoping for one with both USB2 and eSATA connectors in front, but maybe the CM-690), and I have an Diamond ATI 2600XT 256MB w/fan on the way.

I will definitely try to overclock it at some point, but I'm most interested in a successful out-of-box experience. SerpentRoyal has already outlined zero filling HD's, resetting CMOS's, etc. and I'm going to print that and heed it when the time comes. I also have the notes: "You can run the RAMs up to about 340MHz speed (3.74GHz core speed) with 4-4-4-12-2T/2.0Vdimm" and "Select 1:1 memory divider and input 278MHz FSB" which I'll keep in mind for the future. But in essence, I want to make sure I get the thing up and running before I outfit it with jet packs. This brings me to my question. I see the discussion of AS5 quite a bit, as well as things like ThermalTake's Big Typhoon. I get it conceptually, but not practically. To get this machine up an running, do I need either product?

Is a Thermal Compound necessary?
Will the CPU come with some type of thermal compound?
If I need it, I better get the good stuff right away because it'll be hell on wheels to remove later, right?
Doesn't the "retail" CPU come with a CPU cooling fan? Is this enough for standard usage and maybe limited overclocking?

In the meantime, I'll keep reading as I've been doing for the last few weeks, and take it slow when the parts get here. The good thing about doing what I'm doing is I'll finally have a machine that I know what's in it, and I can upgrade it quite a bit down the line. Any feedback is appreciated.

P.S. If there's a guide I should read, just point me to it.

You don't need the Big Typhoon to take that E2140 up to about 3.0GHz. The retail CPU will come with a CPU cooler and pre-applied thermal compound. Just make SURE all four pins are seated on the MB. If you want to use a different CPU cooler down the road, then you will need to apply isopropyl alcohol to remove the old paste, and then re-apply with the new paste.

There's an installation and overclocking guide at the bottom of my 1st post. The biggest problem is the use of funky RAMs. You're okay. The CM PSU should also boot. Make sure you clear CMOS and test outside the case to avoid possible grounding issue.

 

[UnIrit]

Picked up 4 sticks of the HP. Amazing price.

 

[Gramps]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

There's an installation and overclocking guide at the bottom of my 1st post.

I don't want to litter the thread with thanks, but thank you. Much appreciated. I didn't see the guide as I don't think it was there when I read the first post. I still would have been slightly confused (my inexperience, not the writing) because "Assemble only CPU/CPU cooler" would have presented me with the questions regarding Thermal Compound and cooler. It may still yet be false bravado, but I feel ready to tackle this.

 

[DAC21]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: DAC21

Originally posted by: UnIrit
DAC21,

Probably a noob question but by future proof do you mean higher overal DDR@-800 clock speed potential, RAM stability/longevity or something else?

Thanks

Ability to keep up with CPU upgrades (1066 or 1333 FSB) in the future.

1333FSB is 333MHz (native speed for DDR2 667). The HP will easily overclock to 400MHz with 2.0V but at a more relaxed timing 5-5-5-15-2T.

Failed to mention the tighter 4 4 4 12 timings with the none value RAM. Tighter timings was the big ta do a few years back, not sure what the actual performance increase is.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: DAC21

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: DAC21

Originally posted by: UnIrit
DAC21,

Probably a noob question but by future proof do you mean higher overal DDR@-800 clock speed potential, RAM stability/longevity or something else?

Thanks

Ability to keep up with CPU upgrades (1066 or 1333 FSB) in the future.

1333FSB is 333MHz (native speed for DDR2 667). The HP will easily overclock to 400MHz with 2.0V but at a more relaxed timing 5-5-5-15-2T.

Failed to mention the tighter 4 4 4 12 timings with the none value RAM. Tighter timings was the big ta do a few years back, not sure what the actual performance increase is.

You can run the HP @ 2.0V up to 340MHz @ 4-4-4-12-2T. You'll never be able to tell the gain without benchies.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

The thermal compound is pre-applied at the factory. Follow the installation instruction in the box and you'll be fine.

 

[Tangman85]

I'm curious if you know about any known 4 memory stick problems with this board?

 

[sharad]

According to the info in the first post of this thread 4 sticks are ok...

I've seen reports about the Abit IP35 Pro's inability to remain stable with four sticks of RAM north of 510MHz. Fortunately, the Abit IP35-E has no problem running four sticks of Kingston DDR2 800 "N5 OEM" up to 564MHz (DDR2 1128 with 1:1.50 memory divider). Timing is set at 5-5-5-15-2T with 2.1Vdimm. System is Orthos and Memtest86 stable.

 

[Tangman85]

My apologies, I must have missed that part

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Tangman85
I'm curious if you know about any known 4 memory stick problems with this board?

Avoid OCZ stuffs. Stick with quality JEDEC 1.8V DDR2 667 or 800 from Crucial or Kingston and you should not have any issue with four sticks. The $9/GB HP DDR2 667 RAM works well with four modules.

 

[Tangman85]

With the risk of going a little bit off-topic, http://www.ec.kingston.com/eco...partno=KVR800D2N5K2/2G - Will that work at 800MHz with a 1333FSB CPU after I just plug it in and boot? or at 667 and I need a 1:1.19 Ratio?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Very high quality RAMs. That's what I use in my rig. If you reset the CMOS, then RAM will automatically run at 400MHz speed (auto select 1:1.20 memory divider). RAM should be good to at least 450MHz/4-4-4-12-2T with 2.1Vdimm.

 

[conlan]

Interesting, I'm getting an CPU fan failure warning siren, and it's hooked up to the right connector and working perfectly. I double checked my temps, then just disabled the warning.

Anyone else getting this?