"ABC Panel tears into McCain"

[OneOfTheseDays]

I found myself thinking the exact same things this week when I heard McCain's numerous positions on the state of our economy. It did feel like he got a bunch of talking points mixed up in his head, makes me wonder if he has the mental health necessary for this job.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...nto-mcca_n_128055.html

 

[theflyingpig]

You were just imagining things. Nothing can trip up McCain. Nothing at all. He's gonna win, and when he does I'm gonna sing and dance and drink and party.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I suppose you're going to listen to the ranting of a well-known liberal tool like George Will.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
I suppose you're going to listen to the ranting of a well-known liberal tool like George Will.

:laugh:

"I suppose the McCain campaign's hope is that when there's a big crisis, people will go for age and experience," said Will. "The question is, who in this crisis looked more presidential, calm and un-flustered? It wasn't John McCain who, as usual, substituting vehemence for coherence, said 'let's fire somebody.' And picked one of the most experienced and conservative people in the administration, Chris Cox, and for no apparent reason... It was un-presidential behavior by a presidential candidate."

[...]

It should be noted that McCain's call for the firing of Cox was dismissed right off the bat, as the president does not have the authority to axe an SEC chairman.

<Seinfeld Quote Paraphrase> McCain was angry that day, my friends, like an old man sending back soup in a deli. </Seinfeld Quote Paraphrase>

 

[Modelworks]

I am concerned about his age.
Have you seen how fast the office of President ages people.
It is like the position comes with the power to leech years off a life.
ABC has a slideshow showing the changes:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightlin...x=1&start=false&page=1

 

[Drakkon]

Originally posted by: Perknose
<Seinfeld Quote Paraphrase> McCain was angry that day, my friends, like an old man sending back soup in a deli. </Seinfeld Quote Paraphrase>

I was reminded more of the Simpsons
http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/ga...ots/lists/news_198.jpg

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm worried about a guy who cares so much about winning and so little about his country he's nominate a dog catcher from nowhere to replace him.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm worried about a guy who cares so much about winning and so little about his country he's nominate a dog catcher from nowhere to replace him.

So am I.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm worried about a guy who cares so much about winning and so little about his country ...

Oh please. Obama has changed his stance on a number of issues in order to increase his chance of winning.

Make no mistake, if any candidate wins anything, it is because he kicked his integrity to the curb.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

How a candidate runs his/her campaign is a telling sign of how they will govern. Obama has chosen to run a less negative and polarizing campaign than McCain, that cannot be disputed. I have more hope in him uniting this country than I do McCain and the Republican party, who have won elections on the basis of splitting this country in two and pitting us all against each other. How one could support a party that employs tactics like this to win is beyond me.

 

[Perknose]

Sarah Palin.

Bomb Iran.

McCain likes to make impulsive, decisive, grandiose moves. There may now be decreased blood flow to the brain involved.

Haven't we had enough of this "short attention span" folly the last 8 years?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Oh please. Obama has changed his stance on a number of issues in order to increase his chance of winning.

Like what? The only thing I know is the off shore drilling and he said hes wiling to do that if it will help him push his green energy in 10 years stuff. Who wouldn't want a president thats willing to work on issues to achieve the greater good?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: bamacre
Oh please. Obama has changed his stance on a number of issues in order to increase his chance of winning.

Like what? The only thing I know is the off shore drilling and he said hes wiling to do that if it will help him push his green energy in 10 years stuff. Who wouldn't want a president thats willing to work on issues to achieve the greater good?

Stop showing how centrist and pragmatic he is at the core!

Obama is the Messiah, no, Obama is the Anti-Christ!//1

I call him BHO because I have no substantive point to make and it makes me feel warm all over!

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I am concerned about his age.
Have you seen how fast the office of President ages people.
It is like the position comes with the power to leech years off a life.
ABC has a slideshow showing the changes:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightlin...x=1&start=false&page=1

8 years of natural aging combined with comparing their best "young" photos with their worst "old" photos?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm worried about a guy who cares so much about winning and so little about his country ...

Oh please. Obama has changed his stance on a number of issues in order to increase his chance of winning.

Make no mistake, if any candidate wins anything, it is because he kicked his integrity to the curb.

It's almost like everyone who runs for president has to choose governing positions that are centrist. Moreover, another breaking news flash is that people can compromise positions on some things they believe in order to enact policies that they consider to be more important.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: bamacre
Oh please. Obama has changed his stance on a number of issues in order to increase his chance of winning.

Like what? The only thing I know is the off shore drilling and he said hes wiling to do that if it will help him push his green energy in 10 years stuff. Who wouldn't want a president thats willing to work on issues to achieve the greater good?

Just off the top of my head, marijuana, telcom immunity.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

marijuana? is this some kind of joke bamacre?

there is nothing funnier than a conservative trying to debate politics on the issues

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm worried about a guy who cares so much about winning and so little about his country ...

Oh please. Obama has changed his stance on a number of issues in order to increase his chance of winning.

Make no mistake, if any candidate wins anything, it is because he kicked his integrity to the curb.

It's almost like everyone who runs for president has to choose governing positions that are centrist. Moreover, another breaking news flash is that people can compromise positions on some things they believe in order to enact policies that they consider to be more important.

Yeah, I guess you're right. I shouldn't over-expect, Obama is no different than anyone else. Hoping for some change just makes me naive, I suppose.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
marijuana? is this some kind of joke bamacre?

there is nothing funnier than a conservative trying to debate politics on the issues

Am I wrong? Well? Nope.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

^LOL you can't even get your smear attacks straight bamacre. Obama said we need to "rethink" our policies on marijuana, not that we should outright de-criminalize it in our society. Like I said, there is nothing funnier than a conservative trying to debate politics on the issues. They are terrible.

 

[jpeyton]

There's a lot to tear into. He's got lots of red meat surrounding him these days.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
^LOL you can't even get your smear attacks straight bamacre. Obama said we need to "rethink" our policies on marijuana, not that we should outright de-criminalize it in our society. Like I said, there is nothing funnier than a conservative trying to debate politics on the issues. They are terrible.

"I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws,"

What part of that is confusing?

And please stop calling me a "conservative."

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: bamacre
And please stop calling me a "conservative."

Excuse me, who has not yet spoken on this topic, but you were a politicallly coservative Republican (redundant, I know) before your conversion to Libertarianism.

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, I guess you're right. I shouldn't over-expect, Obama is no different than anyone else. Hoping for some change just makes me naive, I suppose.

You say that sarcastically, but it is the core mistake of your political conversion to "Libertarianism."

You don't like this, because you somehow think that your simplistic and overblown response to the complexity of the modern world, which relies on less oversight rather than more, isn't a naive pipedream of those like you, who are converted Republican conservatives.

In this one respect, you are as naive and as backwards as McCain.

Ours is an inextricably interdependent world. You had better get used to it, or you will fall into the yahoo backwater of faux "rugged individualism" and retrograde "isolationism."

We surely and truly don't need the idiot a priori interventionism of the "Bush Doctrine" -- it is sheer hubris and was a bloody, costly mistake -- but whether YOU like or not, our future is indeliably bound up in the world's future.

China, still ruled at the top by committed and ideological communists, are the ones who will, without one whimper and in their own self-interest buy the treasury debt we are now about to loose on the world market; thanks to our mother-effing, near criminal, hewing to the retard Reagan and Republican banner of deregulation, which is akin to YOUR standard of smaller, laissez-faire federal government.

WHAT does that tell you about the present?

Please wake up and smell the past.

So, yeah, the Gold Standard, economic and political isolationism, AS IF! Hark back to the golden days of yore and get off my monetary and geopolitical lawn! :roll:

YO Herbert Hoover! Come join the rest of us as we ALL try to confront the incredibly complex social and monentary problems of the 21st Century.

I'm no Obama fanboi, check my posts by date if you don't believe me.

But my future depends on your future, just as your future depends on my future; all of which is our future as a nation, and Obama is by far our nation's best practical choice.

 

[JTsyo]

Something I wondered after watching McCain in the RNC, does he have some health issue with his shoulders? It seemed like he couldn't lift his hands above his head.

 

[Lemon law]

I did watch the episode in question today on this week. The round table discussion was basically discussing the root cause of this current financial meltdown and issues of regulation. Were I able to join the panel, I would have ripped into George Will who has been resident anti regulation idiot that these recent events have now totally discredited. But as soon as the subject turned to issues of regulation, naturally the McCain name came up because the net of effect of this financial meltdown has been to badly damage the position of McCain on the overall economy and highlight McCain's ineffectual efforts to repair his gaffes

But in a 20 20 hindsight question, IMHO, it was not terribly fair and balanced to single out only McCain, and it might have been fairer to include Obama in the round table discussion as well.