ABC Democratic Debate

[MongGrel]

"As the debate ended, the moderators asked all three candidates about the role their spouses might play if elected, including Clinton, who has played that role herself as a former First Lady during her husband’s presidency.


“With respect to my own husband, I am probably still going to pick the flowers and the China for state dinners and stuff like that,” Clinton acknowledged. “But I will certainly turn to him as prior presidents have for special missions, for advice, and in particular how we're going to get the economy working again for everybody, which he knows a little bit about.”
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Darn, there goes the idea of turning the White House into a giant man cave.

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"Sanders called his wife, Jane, “a lot smarter” than him."
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Maybe his wife should be running then.

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[Gonad the Barbarian]

Drug prices are a pretty small part of overall healthcare costs though, somewhere on the order of 5-10%.

NHE is projected to hit $3.207 trillion this year.
So, just $160 to $320 billion then. Yeah, not worth pursuing.

 

[TheSlamma]

Nothing we didn't already know

Should corporate America love Hillary? Yep. Should they love Sanders? Nope

Should we continue meddling in affairs like it being our mission to force regime changes? Hillary Yep, Sanders Nope

Wasn't even a fight about it, self admittance, still making my vote or write-in for Sanders non negotiable no matter how many insults the resident institution zealots throw.

 

[nageov3t]

Sanders made me scratch my head... I felt like half his face kept saying we shouldn't overthrow dictators, while the other half kept saying that Assad needs to be overthrown.

overall it was a snoozefest; I wouldn't have watched it had I not been home anyways, baking cookies and wrapping presents with my boyfriend. no candidate did amazingly, but no candidate made any major mistakes either. it probably won't change the direction of the race in any direction.

 

[TheSlamma]

The democrats need to put better politicians into the field.

They have them, they just aren't upper ranking enough. We definitely have an old as dirt politician problem just like we have an old as dirt actors/news anchors problem. I feel like Hollywood is doing a better job finding the next generation of talent and in politics they are scraping the bottom of the Boomer generation talent pool.

Bernie and Clinton should be retiring not running for president. O'Malley was not a good Governor IMO. And thats the entire democratic pool. Wow. Unimpressed. Not that the republicans are any better.

I get your point, but I would say to use someone.. ANYONE else but Hollywood to make your case. The new pool of pantywaist actors like Zac Efron and the avalanche of tween movie actors don't hold a candle to McQueen, Eastwood or Ford, on the screen and most specifically off the screen.

 

[dawheat]

Not that the republicans are any better.

Come on - equating this group to the clown car cast the Republicans have rolled out is crazy. Almost makes me pine for Romney.

 

[Brainonska511]

NHE is projected to hit $3.207 trillion this year.
So, just $160 to $320 billion then. Yeah, not worth pursuing.

It's about 10% http://www.healthsystemtracker.org/interactive/health-spending-explorer

It's definitely worth investigating why costs are so high and seeing if we can knock a bit off there. But it isn't the only thing driving up total costs, so we should act like prescription drug price negotiation will fix everything.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Come on - equating this group to the clown car cast the Republicans have rolled out is crazy. Almost makes me pine for Romney.

Nah, crazy is not realizing they are all one in the same. Our current Democrat President just voted to increase spying on Americans and strip us something of our privacy rights, something that our former Republican President did as well. No matter who gets elected the results will bill very similar, it's naive to call one party clowns while supporting essentially the same thing.

 

[waggy]

Nah, crazy is not realizing they are all one in the same. Our current Democrat President just voted to increase spying on Americans and strip us something of our privacy rights, something that our former Republican President did as well. No matter who gets elected the results will bill very similar, it's naive to call one party clowns while supporting essentially the same thing.

/this

 

[Moonbeam]

Sanders made me scratch my head... I felt like half his face kept saying we shouldn't overthrow dictators, while the other half kept saying that Assad needs to be overthrown.

overall it was a snoozefest; I wouldn't have watched it had I not been home anyways, baking cookies and wrapping presents with my boyfriend. no candidate did amazingly, but no candidate made any major mistakes either. it probably won't change the direction of the race in any direction.

I know what you mean. Every time Sanders talks about how complex the issues are I start scratching my head and my eyes glaze over. The Republican debate was just so much better. There were tons of major mistakes their, at least nine at the 1st grade table, and Trump's facial expressions caused my leg to tingle.

 

[Moonbeam]

/this

But I have listened very carefully to people with large amygdalas and know now for a fact that we are in a great state of danger. Terrorist are now hiding in Green Giant pea cans. They are everywhere hiding among every immigrant group. We have to be able to hear what they are saying or we will never be safe. I'm even thinking to vote Republican so I can water board my neighbors and make them confess. Terrorists deserve to suffer and if it takes a bit of loss of privacy on the phone, so fucking what. I watched the conservative clown car presidential debate and I know my ass is in danger. Watch you, I say to you assholes who pump out your fears of both terrorists and the loss of childish freedoms. We're coming one day real soon, to burn YOU at the stake.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I'm streaming from ABC's site and it keeps cutting out so I'm only hearing it sporadically, but what I see so far:



The moderators don't like O'Malley at all

Sanders thinks milking the billionaires will solve all of our problems

Clinton is Clinton..

Better than clintons plan of Milking anyone who makes 250K and more.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Millionaires are made from cheap overseas labor leading to the middle class becoming the working poor.

And the Republicans openly say our wages are too high and don't want a minimum wage increase.

ISIS may affect us 4 times in the next 4 years even with the best screening of individuals and lone wolves. How often does our low wages affect us with our ability to pay rent, heat, electricity and food?

I wish someone would at least prioritize Americans over billionaire donors or Islamic militants.

That is never going to happen. Both parties cater to the same group. The war on terror is a great smoke screen to keep the public distracted.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

NHE is projected to hit $3.207 trillion this year.
So, just $160 to $320 billion then. Yeah, not worth pursuing.

How much do you suggest bargaining the prices down by? It's not like you can cut the number that much, without either killing R&D or drastically reducing the cost of FDA approval. We pay about 2-3 times the amount for drugs that Europe does; let's say we can save about $150 billion. Meanwhile, total healthcare costs continue to increase around 5% every year, for services that don't even have a significant dependence on innovation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Man did that debate suck. I didn't grunt one time or throw a coconut at my neighbor.

 

[MongGrel]

Terrorist are now hiding in Green Giant pea cans. They are everywhere hiding among every immigrant group.

Frig, that is really sneaky.

I've been walking up to the fridge every time in fear when I have went to retrieve lettuce or fresh produce out of the fridge with a 357 Mag.

Hard to make a salad these days.

I forgot they could be hiding in the canned food.

:sneaky:

 

[TheGardener]

I listened to so-called Syrian and Iraq strategies that the candidates support. In a nutshell, no change. But the results will be different this time, somehow.

It quickly became apparent that the fix was in. Clinton got two questions for every one that Sanders and O'Malley received. When O'Malley asked if he could say anything, Raddatz quickly cut him off, telling him NO! And he just took it! So Reaganesc .... NOT!!!

 

[sportage]

This is the best we can do, on both sides.
And who's fault is THAT?
Hint: Look in mirror.

 

[kage69]

Nothing we didn't already know

Should corporate America love Hillary? Yep. Should they love Sanders? Nope

Should we continue meddling in affairs like it being our mission to force regime changes? Hillary Yep, Sanders Nope

Wasn't even a fight about it, self admittance, still making my vote or write-in for Sanders non negotiable no matter how many insults the resident institution zealots throw.

:thumbsup: I find this post to be slammin.

Hillary and the GOP have convinced me to do the same. Sanders/Warren hopefully, going to send his campaign an Xmas present too.

His recent take on nuclear power kinda bummed me out, I really disagree with him there. But then reading about the slimy shit Congress buried in the budget they just passed I am back to marveling at just how much we need someone like Bernie in the White House. He's the only honest person in the line up, the only one not sold to some interest or collection of interests, the only one you can really call anti-establishment and it not be a joke. While I don't think any administration can turn things around on a dime on so many fronts and really make sudden, trans-formative change (not with people like Mitch McConnell in D.C. anyway) I think that kind of ticket would go far to push America back in the right direction. Letting corporations run the country is not the right direction.

http://usuncut.com/politics/9-heinous-items-sneaked-into-budget-bill/

I don't see many of the other hopefuls being too terribly upset by any of that, whereas it's exactly what Sanders has been pointing to as an example of things that don't work like they should, e.g WallStreet should not be writing WallStreet specific deregulating legislation.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I agree that Sanders seems to be one of the more honest candidates running (as nuts as he may be I don't think that Trump is bought by special interest either, he doesn't need to be), but his grand ideas unfortunately don't translate into an economically realistic plan. He has no way to pay for all of the free shit he promises and this is what tripped him up most during the debate. Hillary as well as the moderator both pried at him on this and you could tell he didn't have an answer.

 

[dank69]

I agree that Sanders seems to be one of the more honest candidates running (as nuts as he may be I don't think that Donald "A lot of people are switching to these really long putters, very unattractive" Trump is bought by special interest either, he doesn't need to be), but his grand ideas unfortunately don't translate into an economically realistic plan. He has no way to pay for all of the free shit he promises and this is what tripped him up most during the debate. Hillary as well as the moderator both pried at him on this and you could tell he didn't have an answer.

Every other first world nation pays for free healthcare just fine. Pretending that this is some sort of gotcha point on Sanders is dumb. Universal healthcare done right gets rid of most of the fat in a system that seems to be 99% fat these days.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I agree that Sanders seems to be one of the more honest candidates running (as nuts as he may be I don't think that Trump is bought by special interest either, he doesn't need to be), but his grand ideas unfortunately don't translate into an economically realistic plan. He has no way to pay for all of the free shit he promises and this is what tripped him up most during the debate. Hillary as well as the moderator both pried at him on this and you could tell he didn't have an answer.

We pay the most per capita for healthcare in the world, we also live very middle of the pack life spans its obvious we are doing something wrong & it wouldn't be too hard to get inefficiencies out.

 

[boomerang]

it wouldn't be too hard to get inefficiencies out.

You can't be serious. Look at the the size of the tax code. Look at the size of recent legislation. Obamacare, the recent Omnibus bill, the list goes on and on and on and on. Government excels at unmanageable complexities and they've structured it to serve their needs foremost, not the people's needs.

Every election cycle we hear that things are going to change and get simpler and every election cycle the opposite occurs. Why should the .gov change anything? They will only if it serves their interests. Big government is self perpetuating. It will eventually collapse after going supernova.

 

[ultimatebob]

Hilary kinda put her foot in her mouth when she mentioned that Trump is now starring in ISIS recruitment videos. You really gotta have proof before you can say something like that.

Of course, Hillary has some friends in low places... maybe someone on her staff actually has access to some private stash of ISIS videos.

 

[SMOGZINN]

He has no way to pay for all of the free shit he promises and this is what tripped him up most during the debate. Hillary as well as the moderator both pried at him on this and you could tell he didn't have an answer.

Lets face it, no other candidate pays for the free shit they give out either, at best they write in something to pay for it 3 years from now, and then get it repealed in a omnibus tax bill a few years later. The only real difference here is that Sanders' free shit is stuff that would actually make a difference to the average American.