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A64 Venice 3800+ vs 3500+ Justifiable ?

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solariusx3

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Hi guys....finally decided to go upgrade my system. so i need some advice.
I'll be using my system for work mostly PS and some light video editing. I also need it to hold its ground when playing HL2, BF2, doom3 etc.... .Hopefully it should last me for the next 2-3years I do not intend on OCing my system.😕

Price is a major concern for me budget <= USD $1000

Here's wat i can afford
A64 3500+ venice
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat
2x 512 Corsair value select
Leadtek winfast 6600GT 128Mb
Sliverstone 400W psu

- is it justifiable to get a venice 3800+ for the extra cost?
- how will a 3500 venice fare against a 3800 winchester ?
- i've heard comments on how well the new venice core clocks like running a 3000+ to 3800 speeds, but i'm a noob when it comes to OC A64 chips. Will getting a 3200+ with better ram be a wiser choice!........

Any constructive replies are greatly appreciated !!

 
If you not overclocking at all ( which you should ) then the little extra boost in speed would help..

Probably not worth the price difference though..

If you are a heavy gamer, a 6600GT isn't going to cut it for very long either..
 
Lets say if i do intend to OC........how well corsair value select go ?
i was thinking...if u get a cheaper proc lets say 3200+ but u need good ram which cost twice as much as normal ram to reach the speed u want on stock cooling
then isnt it the same if u got higher proc with normal or value ram w/o OC. As OC will make ur cpu run hotter.......unless ur using better cooling which is again gonna cost .
 
You should be able to overclock a 3000 venice to 3500 without any problem (245MHz FSB, 9x multiplier, 4x LDT, 5:6 memory divider, Vcore 1.425). A better 3000 CPU may hit 2.7GHz (4000 class CPU).
 
You don't need overclocking ram to overclock, as you can run a divider and you won't need to overclock the ram at all. However, I still recommend this ram, as it is cheap and very good for overclocking.

I would not get anything over a 3200. With a 3200, you can get over 2.8 ghz, which is FX-57 speeds. With the saved money, you can buy a better graphics card, a 6800gt (if agp) or an x800xl (if pci-e). Why are you going with the older motherboard? Why not nforce4? I reccomend that you buy the DFI Ultra-D instead.

Your psu looks alright, but the amps on the 12v are a bit low. I'd go with this: Antec Truepower.
 
Almost all 3000/3200 will hit 2.3GHz. The average speed is 2.5GHz with some tweaking. You need to be lucky to get a good CPU that will deliver 2.7GHz. Also note that you will need a good CPU cooler if you push the CPU beyond the 2.6GHz range.
 
with a venice, it is dissapointing if you dont get 2.6. i would recommend getting a dfi ultra-d, a thermalright xp-90, and a venice 3200. if you are unlucky, which is rare, you will still at least get above 3500 speeds. also, corsair value select is great, mem speed doesnt really matter so you can just run a divider.
 
As mentioned above, drop back to the 3200+ and OC that SOB. My winchester 3200+ does slightly over 3800+ speeds. You should be able to do better than that with a venice.

Spend the money you save on a X800XL ot 6800GT. Or better yet, use any old AGP card and wait for the 7 series midrange cards.

Speaking of which, why are you getting an Nforce 3 board when you're getting a socket 939 processor AND a new video card? Why not get a nforce 4 board and hop on the PCI Express?
 
It makes no sense to buy anything higher then a 3200+ Venice for $190 retail and overclock it. Its not hard. If your smart enough to build the machine you can surely figure out how to adjust a handful of settings in the BIOS and run programs like Prime95 and Memtest to see if its stable. If you can't then you need to learn 😛.

Most of the 3200+'s have no problem hitting 2.6-2.8Ghz. Mine is doing 2.8Ghz right now.

And are you building this system from scratch? If so i would suggest going PCI-E and getting a DFI NF4 board and a PCI-E 6600GT instead. I would also get better RAM then Corsair Value Select. That doesn't mean you have to pay alot more though. Crucial Value, OCZ Value, TwinMOS Speed Premium, the lower-end G.Skill TCCD and several others would all be good choices. Corsair Value Select is pretty hit and miss and can cause problems from what i've seen.

 
Probably a stupid question, but how would the 3500+ Venice chip overclock compared to the 3200+. I mean, if reaching 2.3 ghz is easily accomplished with the 3200+, does that mean it would be just as easy to reach 2.5 with the 3500? Or does the 3500 run hotter at default?
 
Originally posted by: edm
Probably a stupid question, but how would the 3500+ Venice chip overclock compared to the 3200+. I mean, if reaching 2.3 ghz is easily accomplished with the 3200+, does that mean it would be just as easy to reach 2.5 with the 3500? Or does the 3500 run hotter at default?
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As far as overclocking is concerned, buying more expensive A64s will probably be met with diminishing returns. That is, the 3500+ will top out at around the same clock speed as the 3200+.

 
If he doesn't want to OC, that's his issue. But it's not that hard, and there's plantly of help here if you want it.

Also, I wouldn't go with the 3800+, but the 3500+ is a good chip, especially if you go with the Venice.

In answer to your question about OCing more expensive chips, a 3500(2.2Ghz)+ will almost always go further than a 3000(1.8GHz)+, but it wont go an extra 400Mhz (even though that's the difference between them at stock).

Anyway, there's no real *need* to OC a 3500+ at the moment (in fact, there is little *need* to overclock any modern processor), although in the future when if it starts feeling slow, you have the option.

RoD
 
Thanks for all the advice guys !!!🙂
ok so here's my revised build...coz some of the components recommended i couldn't find at my local hardware store.

Price is very important , as i try to keep budget <= USD$1000

A64 3200+ venice (OC to 3500+ on stock cooling)
MSI K8N Neo4-F (DFI Lanparty not avaliable)
Corsair TwinX3200 2x 512Mb
Leadtech GeForce 6800GT 256Mb PCI-E
Antec TruePower 430W

-The default of 3200+ is 10x 200Mhz FSB, this may sound noob..........but wats the LDT ?
-how does one run a memory divider ?
-Wat would be a safe OC for 3500+ speeds or even 2.4Ghz on stock cooling
 
screw the 3200+ get a 3000+ Im at 2.8Ghz stock HS/Fan and RAM at 206mhz @ 2-3-3-6 timings. There is no reason that a 3000+ shouldnt hit 2.5+ easily. Get a solid MB and decetn RAM (which you already have both) and your fine
 
Originally posted by: solariusx3
Thanks for all the advice guys !!!🙂
ok so here's my revised build...coz some of the components recommended i couldn't find at my local hardware store.

Price is very important , as i try to keep budget <= USD$1000

A64 3200+ venice (OC to 3500+ on stock cooling)
MSI K8N Neo4-F (DFI Lanparty not avaliable)
Corsair TwinX3200 2x 512Mb
Leadtech GeForce 6800GT 256Mb PCI-E
Antec TruePower 430W

-The default of 3200+ is 10x 200Mhz FSB, this may sound noob..........but wats the LDT ?
-how does one run a memory divider ?
-Wat would be a safe OC for 3500+ speeds or even 2.4Ghz on stock cooling
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Get a bigger PSU and make sure its 24pin and not 20pin.
 
I believe that your overclocking abilities on the Neo4-F are pretty handicapped. If you think you may be overclocking I would recommend the Neo4 Platinum instead. JMHO.
 
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