A64 3000+ vs Barton@2.43ghz benchmarks. *UPDATE: AN50R 2.4ghz+ benchies added- more comin'*

[DAPUNISHER]

Thanks for the feedback pelikan :beer: Honestly I hadn't considered a PCI controller card, I think I have an old Promise Ultra66 in a parts box 'round here, I may have to dig that out and see if I can indeed get a higher overclock that way just to play a bit. As to the RAS to CAS comment, did the people who tested it provide any numbers between the two to compare? Because going from 3-4-4-8 to 2-3-2-6 didn't amount to any significant increase and I'd be truly amazed/pleasently surprised if 2-3-2-6 to 2-2-2-5 yielded a subtantial performance gain by contrast.

 

[pelikan]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Thanks for the feedback pelikan :beer: Honestly I hadn't considered a PCI controller card, I think I have an old Promise Ultra66 in a parts box 'round here, I may have to dig that out and see if I can indeed get a higher overclock that way just to play a bit. As to the RAS to CAS comment, did the people who tested it provide any numbers between the two to compare? Because going from 3-4-4-8 to 2-3-2-6 didn't amount to any significant increase and I'd be truly amazed/pleasently surprised if 2-3-2-6 to 2-2-2-5 yielded a subtantial performance gain by contrast.

You're welcome. As I understand it, not all pci controller cards will keep the hdd at stock. But many of them do so you just have to make sure.

Sorry, I don't remember any numbers concerning the degree of performance increase with ras to cas 2. I just remember thinking it was significant. My definition of "significant" may be different than yours.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Ace's confirmed the Tom's article as to the very small difference timings make with the A64 link

 

[pelikan]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Ace's confirmed the Tom's article as to the very small difference timings make with the A64 link

I've been hearing the same as both articles mentioned about Cas. Supposedly there is no performance hit at all between Cas 2.5 and Cas 2. But its Ras to Cas that is supposed to be the important one for performance with the A64.

 

[pakotlar]

How about a p4 3.5 ghz for comparision?

Rig: p4 2.8c @ 3.5ghz (1000fsb/200 ddr)
2226 timings with Turbo and MAM
p4c800-e 1011bios
9800 pro @ 420/375

These are stable 24/7 speeds
All tests run at 1024 unless otherwise noted.
Ati control panel was left to default values.

Cypher: 15.244 sec
Primordia: 389.487 seconds
MolecDynam: 74.694sec
Cinebench 2003 - 1 cpu: 353 SMT: 419
3dMark2001se - 20884 (High Quality)
Comanche4 (640) - 72.16
Comanche4 (1024) - 71.37
Ut2003 MaxDetail (1024) - 262.486 Flyby 90.88 Botmatch
(640) ? 287.599 Flyby 92.51 Botmatch
SuperPi 1m : 40s
SuperPi 2m : 1m34s
PcMark 2002 : CPU - 8688
Mem - 10796
HDD - 1369



so what I'm seeing based on benchmarks around the net, I'm about at 3400+ speeds for gaming (+/- 5%), and slightly faster in worsktation apps. I've seen ut2003 benchmarks on a64 3400+ anywhere from 2 - 10% faster. In ut2003 I'm anywhere from 0 -5% slower than the 3200+.

Primordia gets a HUGE boost from the extra clock speed/bandwidth/fsb.

edit: added PcMark 2002 bench's.
edit2: new cypher results (still off techreports numbers though). added ut2003 640 results.

here are some scores to compare to: http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/athlon64-3400/index.x?pg=13

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Thanks for adding some P4c@3.5ghz scores pakotlar :beer: It shows how much the extra clockspeed and higher fsb improve performance with it. Unfortunately due to my 5800U not being up to par with your 9800pro in most games it's difficult to draw a parallel there, but everything else is apples to apples.

 

[CyGoR]

Thanks for the great benchmark Dapunisher!
I'm also looking for a new pc, and after reading some things about the Amd 64 3000+, it's going to be my new one for sure! Just one question, do you know, or have, where I can find a picture of the stock cooler supplied with the cpu? And how are the temps when at full load?
Thanks...

 

[pakotlar]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Thanks for adding some P4c@3.5ghz scores pakotlar :beer: It shows how much the extra clockspeed and higher fsb improve performance with it. Unfortunately due to my 5800U not being up to par with your 9800pro in most games it's difficult to draw a parallel there, but everything else is apples to apples.

Don't put your card down, we're all very impressed by the high ut2003 numbers! Thank you for putting up this comparison Dapunisher

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Thanks CyGoR. Here's a couple pics of the retail cooler
side

bottom

It's a quite cooler and solid copper based as you can see, plus they must be using a Shin-Etsu based thermal compound because it looks and behaves like CoolerMaster premium whicjh is Shin-Etsu based. The fan turns about 3300rpm and the extended heavy load temp@2.2ghz was in the low 60's celsius with a case temp of 34c, but my board seems to read high for the on-die sensor compared to other A64 owners temps using the retail cooler so I suspect you can knock at least 6-8c off that reading. I switched to a Venus 12 and it dropped temps 6c even on a lower rpm setting, but it's a huge sink. In the final analysis I think the stock cooler is adequate even@2.2ghz as I never encountered stability issues.

LOL pakotlar I'm not putting my card down, I love this huge beast even if it does sound like an old delta 60mm black label in 3D mode *thank you Sennheiser headphones*

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: pakotlar
How about a p4 3.5 ghz for comparision?

Rig: p4 2.8c @ 3.5ghz (1000fsb/200 ddr)
2226 timings with Turbo and MAM
p4c800-e 1011bios
9800 pro @ 420/375

These are stable 24/7 speeds
All tests run at 1024 unless otherwise noted.
Ati control panel was left to default values.

Cypher: 15.244 sec
Primordia: 389.487 seconds
MolecDynam: 74.694sec
Cinebench 2003 - 1 cpu: 353 SMT: 419
3dMark2001se - 20884 (High Quality)
Comanche4 (640) - 72.16
Comanche4 (1024) - 71.37
Ut2003 MaxDetail (1024) - 262.486 Flyby 90.88 Botmatch
(640) ? 287.599 Flyby 92.51 Botmatch
SuperPi 1m : 40s
SuperPi 2m : 1m34s
PcMark 2002 : CPU - 8688
Mem - 10796
HDD - 1369



so what I'm seeing based on benchmarks around the net, I'm about at 3400+ speeds for gaming (+/- 5%), and slightly faster in worsktation apps. I've seen ut2003 benchmarks on a64 3400+ anywhere from 2 - 10% faster. In ut2003 I'm anywhere from 0 -5% slower than the 3200+.

Primordia gets a HUGE boost from the extra clock speed/bandwidth/fsb.

edit: added PcMark 2002 bench's.
edit2: new cypher results (still off techreports numbers though). added ut2003 640 results.

here are some scores to compare to: http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/athlon64-3400/index.x?pg=13

Actually your estimations of how your 3.5 Ghz P4 compares to A64's in terms of model numbers is probably a bit off since he's using an A64 3000+ with 512k cache, and the 3200 and 3400 both have 1 MB of cache.

 

[dartworth]

easy on the AS dude...lol

that's a lot of grease:Q

 

[CyGoR]

I ordered the Motherboard and a new cooler today
cooler I've ordere the full CU version as seen on the mobo
I will buy the cpu next week, a local shop also has it with OEM..

You didn't make the pictures for nothing Dapunisher! I made my decision on those pics. The cooler does look nice, but I hate to hear
much sound comming from my case.. Also ordered a heat-pipe cooler from Zalman for my Ati 9600Pro because of the unbearable noise
that little fan is giving :s
Now I just hope the 700gram cooler won't be to heavy

Could you give me a little insight in the memory thing?
I'm not planning on spending huge amounts of money, but I do want something fast ofcourse.
When I'm not planning on OC'ing much (2.1 or 2.2Ghz maybe) will Corsair DDR400 Pro (leds) 512Mb do any good?
Planning on buying one first, and then saving for the second. The 500Mhz is much to expensive, and they don't have anything in between..

Thanks for the pictures and explenation Dapunisher!

 

[dartworth]

CyGor...the AlCu version of that cooler only weighs 445 grams. It performs the same too.

 

[CyGoR]

The thermal resistance from the CU version is 0.20, from the AlCU is 0.22
indeed not that big difference.. Unfortunatly the shop I oredered didn't have the AlCu...
Ah well, looks cool anyway

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: dartworth
easy on the AS dude...lol

that's a lot of grease:Q

That's the thermal compound that comes on it stock, and you should have seen how much it had before I used it

 

[DAPUNISHER]

CyGoR, that 3200DDR should be fine for the clockspeed you're after. Good luck and post up some results when you have 'em :beer:

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: dartworth
easy on the AS dude...lol

that's a lot of grease:Q

That's the thermal compound that comes on it stock, and you should have seen how much it had before I used it

The AS application instructions are different for CPU's with heatspreaders as well... did you know that? =)

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: pakotlar
How about a p4 3.5 ghz for comparision?

Rig: p4 2.8c @ 3.5ghz (1000fsb/200 ddr)
2226 timings with Turbo and MAM
p4c800-e 1011bios
9800 pro @ 420/375

These are stable 24/7 speeds
All tests run at 1024 unless otherwise noted.
Ati control panel was left to default values.

Cypher: 15.244 sec
Primordia: 389.487 seconds
MolecDynam: 74.694sec
Cinebench 2003 - 1 cpu: 353 SMT: 419
3dMark2001se - 20884 (High Quality)
Comanche4 (640) - 72.16
Comanche4 (1024) - 71.37
Ut2003 MaxDetail (1024) - 262.486 Flyby 90.88 Botmatch
(640) ? 287.599 Flyby 92.51 Botmatch
SuperPi 1m : 40s
SuperPi 2m : 1m34s
PcMark 2002 : CPU - 8688
Mem - 10796
HDD - 1369



so what I'm seeing based on benchmarks around the net, I'm about at 3400+ speeds for gaming (+/- 5%), and slightly faster in worsktation apps. I've seen ut2003 benchmarks on a64 3400+ anywhere from 2 - 10% faster. In ut2003 I'm anywhere from 0 -5% slower than the 3200+.

Primordia gets a HUGE boost from the extra clock speed/bandwidth/fsb.

edit: added PcMark 2002 bench's.
edit2: new cypher results (still off techreports numbers though). added ut2003 640 results.

here are some scores to compare to: http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/athlon64-3400/index.x?pg=13[/Q

Actually your estimations of how your 3.5 Ghz P4 compares to A64's in terms of model numbers is probably a bit off since he's using an A64 3000+ with 512k cache, and the 3200 and 3400 both have 1 MB of cache.

I agree with that somwhat!!! remember he is running 2.3ghz in that test as well which is 100mhz over the 3400+...So they may help to cancel them out as well as the fact that the added cache does not help in every type of application....

Actually talked to a guy with the 3400+ and his POv-ray score was about the same as Dapunishers 2.3ghz speed, and his SETI time was also.....I didn't ask about gaming....

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: dartworth
easy on the AS dude...lol

that's a lot of grease:Q

That's the thermal compound that comes on it stock, and you should have seen how much it had before I used it

The AS application instructions are different for CPU's with heatspreaders as well... did you know that? =)

Hell no! I r n00b!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

:beer: for the superbowl :beer:

 

[pakotlar]

new numbers at 3.6 (24/7 stable )

P4 2.8c @ 258 fsb 2226, 9800pro 414/365

Cypher: 14.57 sec
Primordia: 381.69 seconds
MolecDynam: 70.2854 sec
Cinebench 2003 - 1 cpu: 363 SMT: 428
Comanche4 (640) ? 75.63
Ut2003 MaxDetail (1024) - 267.968 Flyby 96.41 Botmatch

SuperPi 1m : 38s
SuperPi 2m : 1m31s
PcMark 2002 : CPU - 8977
Mem - 11175
HDD ? 1452

3dMark 03: Cpu Test: 832
Game 1: 90.1
Game 2: 15.2

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Very nice overclock pakotlar :beer: The numbers it's turning out are impressive too!

 

[Acanthus]

Man i need that P4C800-E already, this P4P8X wont do over 230fsb without the northbridge igniting, even added a fan and applied AS5.

Sigh for me cheaping out on the mobo, i know better.