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A Young Marine (the real McCoy) Speaks Out

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He is violating the uniform code by saying these things and will probably be in alot of trouble if this gets to his superiors
 
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
He is violating the uniform code by saying these things and will probably be in alot of trouble if this gets to his superiors
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This letter would have to be real for that to occur... so I think the Phillip Martins of the world are safe.
 
First Lieutenant Ehren Watada still refuses Iraq deployment orders, calling the war illegal.

SITES: Tell me how those views evolved. How did you come to that conclusion?

WATADA: I think the facts are out there, they're not difficult to find, they just take a little bit of willingness and interest on behalf of anyone who is willing to seek out the truth and find the facts. All of it is in the mainstream media. But it is quickly buried and it is quickly hidden by other events that come and go. And all it takes is a little bit of logical reasoning. The Iraq Survey Group came out and said there were no weapons of mass destruction after 1991 and during 2003. The 9/11 Commission came out and said there were no ties with Iraq to 9/11 or al-Qaeda. The president himself came out and said that nobody in his administration ever suggested that there was a link.

And yet those ties to al-Qaeda and the weapons of mass destruction were strongly suggested. They said there was no doubt there were weapons of mass destruction all throughout 2002, 2003 and even 2004. So, they came out and they say this, and yet they say it was bad intelligence, not manipulated intelligence, that was the problem. And then you have veteran members of the CIA that come out and say, "No. It was manipulated intelligence. We told them there was no WMD. We told them there were no ties to al-Qaeda. And they said that that's not what they wanted to hear."
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Originally posted by: Pedro69
First Lieutenant Ehren Watada still refuses Iraq deployment orders, calling the war illegal.

SITES: Tell me how those views evolved. How did you come to that conclusion?

WATADA: I think the facts are out there, they're not difficult to find, they just take a little bit of willingness and interest on behalf of anyone who is willing to seek out the truth and find the facts. All of it is in the mainstream media. But it is quickly buried and it is quickly hidden by other events that come and go. And all it takes is a little bit of logical reasoning. The Iraq Survey Group came out and said there were no weapons of mass destruction after 1991 and during 2003. The 9/11 Commission came out and said there were no ties with Iraq to 9/11 or al-Qaeda. The president himself came out and said that nobody in his administration ever suggested that there was a link.

And yet those ties to al-Qaeda and the weapons of mass destruction were strongly suggested. They said there was no doubt there were weapons of mass destruction all throughout 2002, 2003 and even 2004. So, they came out and they say this, and yet they say it was bad intelligence, not manipulated intelligence, that was the problem. And then you have veteran members of the CIA that come out and say, "No. It was manipulated intelligence. We told them there was no WMD. We told them there were no ties to al-Qaeda. And they said that that's not what they wanted to hear."
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Yeah, it's real admirable of him to abandon his men... let them go off to war without his leadership. Bravo.
 
Originally posted by: jrenz

Yeah, it's real admirable of him to abandon his men... let them go off to a illegal war without his leadership. Bravo.
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No, its admirable of him to stand up against what he believes is wrong. Despite the possible prison term he is facing by doing so.

Oh and btw if you are so concerned about the troops: Go here to sign up

 
Originally posted by: Pedro69
Originally posted by: jrenz

Yeah, it's real admirable of him to abandon his men... let them go off to a illegal war without his leadership. Bravo.
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No, its admirable of him to stand up against what he believes is wrong. Despite the possible prison term he is facing by doing so.

Oh and btw if you are so concerned about the troops: Go here to sign up
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The illegal part is your opinion. Nothing more. Congress authorizes a lot of money to keep that "illegal" war going. Are they aiding and abeting?

This soldier is not qualified to make such decisions. He signed up for a volunteer military and now he is abonding his men when they need him. It's not for him to decide where he is sent.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Pedro69
Originally posted by: jrenz

Yeah, it's real admirable of him to abandon his men... let them go off to a illegal war without his leadership. Bravo.
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No, its admirable of him to stand up against what he believes is wrong. Despite the possible prison term he is facing by doing so.

Oh and btw if you are so concerned about the troops: Go here to sign up
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The illegal part is your opinion. Nothing more. Congress authorizes a lot of money to keep that "illegal" war going. Are they aiding and abeting?

This soldier is not qualified to make such decisions. He signed up for a volunteer military and now he is abonding his men when they need him. It's not for him to decide where he is sent.
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The illegal part is not only my opinion, it is a fact because the invasion breached the UN charter:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

Even your chickenhawks know that: Richard Perle said that "international law ... would have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone"
 
Originally posted by: Pedro69
Originally posted by: jrenz

Yeah, it's real admirable of him to abandon his men... let them go off to a illegal war without his leadership. Bravo.
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No, its admirable of him to stand up against what he believes is wrong. Despite the possible prison term he is facing by doing so.

Oh and btw if you are so concerned about the troops: Go here to sign up
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By the way, I signed up 2 years ago.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
This soldier is not qualified to make such decisions. He signed up for a volunteer military and now he is abonding his men when they need him. It's not for him to decide where he is sent.
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Morally speaking, justice takes precedent over law. If prison is the cost of this man for standing up for what he believes in then so be it. As MLK Jr said, ?One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws?
 
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Pedro69
Originally posted by: jrenz

Yeah, it's real admirable of him to abandon his men... let them go off to a illegal war without his leadership. Bravo.
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No, its admirable of him to stand up against what he believes is wrong. Despite the possible prison term he is facing by doing so.

Oh and btw if you are so concerned about the troops: Go here to sign up
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By the way, I signed up 2 years ago.
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Yeah, if your in the Corps you damn well better stand by your men.

<-- Hopefully heading back to MCB Quantico this summer.
 
Well let me tell you about your real McCoy. He is a boot with no experience. I'm an active duty Marine Officer on my 3rd tour in Iraq as we speak. 20 years I have been defending my country and been al over the world in every god forsaken country you can name.

This young warrior has no idea what he is speaking of and more then likely does not even leave his FOB so he has no eyes on what is going on! If he had a clue he would see for himself the great strides we have made. I was here in 03, then again in 04, and back again and getting ready to go back home. The progress we have made is substantial. Not only that, the progress the Iraqi people have made is also substantial!!

This young warrior is being fed by the left wing media who only wants people to see this war in the doom and glum they paint.
Sorry but this PFC or LCpl has no experience and you must take his comments with a huge grain of salt.
 
Why would anyone expect that one soldier's POV of the Iraqi war is anything more than one individual's opinions?

Are there soldiers in Iraqi who think they are fighting the good fight for mom, god, and country?
Yes

Are there soldiers in Iraqi who think that they are in a war that is being conduced by leaders who have no value for soldiers lifes and who lied to the US to justify the invasion of Iraq?
Yes.


 
Of the 1000's of Marines and other service members I have worked with over here I have YET to meet a single person who thought our leaders didn't care about us. In fact it the opposite! Sorry this point is not valid. Could there be one guy over here somewhere who thinks this? Sure there could be.
 
Originally posted by: techs
It is fairly astonishing how many of our best and brightest volunteer for a career in the military instead of choosing a business profession where they could make big money.
It is important that we treat these people with the respect and admiration they deserve. No soldier, sailor or marine should have to die for a politicians political expediency.
Sadly, it looks like that is our endgame in Iraq. Throw away some more lives for political reasons.
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Did you ever think that Money is just not that important??

Money is not that important in the big picture I would rather serve my country and give you the right to type what you want then make big money!

My family as I do just fine so this is the life we choose. To bad others didn't chose the same life! That?s OK, this is the reason we serve so you don't have to.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I do not know a single soldier or marine who thinks or feels that way about our current situation; even those who oppose the war in Iraq or object to Bush's decisions. Not one!

Nearly every sentence in that entire letter is a far-left talking point. Every sentence! It's as if Cindy Sheehan or Michael Moore wrote the letter... it's that ridiculous.
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I have to agree with you! This was simply a fake letter put together to keep the left wing freaks stirred up. Agree with you 100%. I'm on my 3rd tour here in Iraq and I never meet a single Marine who felt this way. More left wing propaganda and lies typical of their actions!

 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The letter I posted was filled with some interesting facts and was very light on the propaganda. I posted it not just as a pro-war statement, but because of the interesting details contained in the letter. (Chechen?s, shaped IEDs pained like blocks etc.)

This letter is 100% different. It has NO facts about what life in Iraq is about and is nothing by anti-American propaganda.

It is NOT anti-war propaganda as blacklottus and others want to believe.
Let me quote a few lines, tell me what they have to do with the war and being against the war:
I'm sick and tired of this patriotic, nationalistic and fascist crap.

I didn't join the military to be part of an Orwellian ("1984") war machine that is in an obligatory war against whoever the state deems the enemy to be so that the populace can be controlled and riled up in a pro-nationalistic frenzy to support any new and oppressive law that will be the key to destroying the enemy.

Example given ? the Patriot Act. So aptly named, and totally against all that the constitution stands for. President Bush used the reactionary nature of our society to bring our country together and to infuse into the national psyche a need to give up their little-used rights in the hope to make our nation a little safer. The same scare tactics he used to win elections.

My point in this; to show that America was never nationalistic. If anything they were Statalistic (giving their allegiance to the state of their residence). This is shown in the fact that the founders created states with fully capable and independent governments and not provinces that were just a division of the federal government. (BTW: Has anyone else never heard the term ?statalistic? before? Some 21 year old Marine throws out that term in an ?anti-war? letter?)

Never once was the term homeland ever used to describe the country of America until Mr. Bush began the department of homeland security after the 9/11 attacks. Taking a 20th century history class will teach us that the most notable countries in the last century that referred to their country in this way were Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

This is the same feeling that consoles a mother after her son is killed in an attempt to prosecute an aggressor's war 10,000 miles away. It's also known as Patriotism these days, but I say, "No more." No more nationalistic inanity, no more passing it off as patriotism. Patriotism is learning, and educating oneself to understand what their country really stands for. (Once again, thus guy joined after we had invaded Iraq, April 2004 supposedly, and yet he calls it an aggressor?s war. Why did he join then?)

Not to mention we don't have the legal justification to be there. I guess we should wait around for the omnipotent W Bush to decide who we should use our superpowerdom to help next. It's about time to throw him and the rest of the fascists out. Moreover it's about time to start educating Americans about their past and history, and letting them know that imperialistic leaders are not what the founders of this great country wanted.
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This is so far beyond any anti-war letter I have ever seen. This guy launches a constant attack on Bush and the country. (Must be why so many people on left love the letter.)
Sure this guy is against the war, but he is against everything Bush had ever done. And yet he joined AFTER the war started. What is wrong with him?

Perhaps this is a real letter written by someone disillusioned by the war. If that is true though then his thoughts and word usage have been seriously effected by web sites such as lewrockwell.com. This is not your typical anti-war letter. This is an anti-American/anti-Bush letter.

That is why those of us on the right are so upset about it. You want to oppose the war, fine that is your right. But when you start calling our leaders fascists and comparing them to Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia then there is a problem.
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You're 100% right in your statements. There is no way this guy is a Marine, this is simply MHO as a 20 year Marine. Sorry more left wing propaganda being put out as truth and "the real McCoy"







 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
As usual to compete with the Good Professor the OP needed to dig up a phony, bogus letter!! Very sad!!
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As always, it's interesting to watch the usual clowns falling all over themselves to "prove" this letter is false. Or true for that matter. Face it, you have not one clue either way. I wonder what other "facts" you'd accept at face value? Still looking for those WMDs? :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
As usual to compete with the Good Professor the OP needed to dig up a phony, bogus letter!! Very sad!!
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As always, it's interesting to watch the usual clowns falling all over themselves to "prove" this letter is false. Or true for that matter. Face it, you have not one clue either way. I wonder what other "facts" you'd accept at face value? Still looking for those WMDs? :laugh:
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If only you all knew the real answer! 3rd tour here and have yet to see a single account of what was found. No matter must be a good reason for it.
 
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