A World Without [blank] is Chaos!

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Crono

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How about water? :eek:

There are tons of physical and intangible things that would suffice as answers for [blank].

I'm pretty sure water is a biggie, seeing how necessary it is to the chemical reactions taking place in living things and the maintaining of a hospitable planetary surface.

I'm thirsty now. Time for some refreshing Poland Spring*.


Do I get paid for the endorsement? No? Aww...
 

Rubycon

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There are tons of physical and intangible things that would suffice as answers for [blank].

I'm pretty sure water is a biggie, seeing how necessary it is to the chemical reactions taking place in living things and the maintaining of a hospitable planetary surface.

Yes and bacteria is another. Without it life would not exist!
What about electrons? Without them material would not exist!

But if life did not exist how would anyone know it's chaotic?

Imagine if there were no wheels, for example.
Or in the next solar cycle a super X100 class coronal mass ejection directed right at the planet takes out all satellites (no gps/tv/etc.). The electrical surge is so great that the power grid fails and even some fires start. Cars run until they're out of fuel and there is no electric to pump fuel. No phones, no Blackberry, no computers. Sure the guy on the hill with the windmill MAY have power providing he did not get damaged. Kind of hard to do anything on his PC. Play solitaire all day long? :D

Yeah people would still be alive in a new chaotic world if that happened. Scary thing as a variant of it is possible and the chance is much higher than a terrorist delivering a nuclear weapon to a major population center in the United States or an all out exchange of thermonuclear devices between the East and West, etc.

They way I've seen people depend on GPS to get places these days - losing the satellites could be fairly chaotic! How many people know how to read maps or keep them in their cars these days?
 

Crono

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Yes and bacteria is another. Without it life would not exist!
What about electrons? Without them material would not exist!

But if life did not exist how would anyone know it's chaotic?

Imagine if there were no wheels, for example.
Or in the next solar cycle a super X100 class coronal mass ejection directed right at the planet takes out all satellites (no gps/tv/etc.). The electrical surge is so great that the power grid fails and even some fires start. Cars run until they're out of fuel and there is no electric to pump fuel. No phones, no Blackberry, no computers. Sure the guy on the hill with the windmill MAY have power providing he did not get damaged. Kind of hard to do anything on his PC. Play solitaire all day long? :D

Yeah people would still be alive in a new chaotic world if that happened. Scary thing as a variant of it is possible and the chance is much higher than a terrorist delivering a nuclear weapon to a major population center in the United States or an all out exchange of thermonuclear devices between the East and West, etc.

They way I've seen people depend on GPS to get places these days - losing the satellites could be fairly chaotic! How many people know how to read maps or keep them in their cars these days?

You paint a rosy view of the future... oh wait a minute that's a doomsday scenario :eek:

Something similar (they never say if it's an asteroid impact, nuke EMP, supervolcano, CME, etc) is depicted in "The Road". Fairly typical for a post apocalyptic movie, but fairly well done. Plus it starred Viggo Mortensen :)
 

Rubycon

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You paint a rosy view of the future... oh wait a minute that's a doomsday scenario :eek:

Something similar (they never say if it's an asteroid impact, nuke EMP, supervolcano, CME, etc) is depicted in "The Road". Fairly typical for a post apocalyptic movie, but fairly well done. Plus it starred Viggo Mortensen :)

The Sun has the biggest global impact on something to be experienced in modern human lifetime. Additionally the infrastructure for power transmission/distribution worldwide is very susceptible to extreme solar events. The Sun has been very quiet for far too long - like winding up a big spring. Eventually it will go boing!

ELEs such as asteroids are very possible but the odds are (thankfully!) extremely low. Before such a thing happens humans will probably have long passed on activity they have done themselves. :( It's essentially like hitting the reset button and starting over.
 

Crono

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The Sun has the biggest global impact on something to be experienced in modern human lifetime. Additionally the infrastructure for power transmission/distribution worldwide is very susceptible to extreme solar events. The Sun has been very quiet for far too long - like winding up a big spring. Eventually it will go boing!

ELEs such as asteroids are very possible but the odds are (thankfully!) extremely low. Before such a thing happens humans will probably have long passed on activity they have done themselves. :( It's essentially like hitting the reset button and starting over.

Yup, I've been reading and hearing about this for quite some time.

Unfortunately, because we've had only relatively minor events happen to us, we aren't really prepared for such a cataclysmic disaster. I don't like to think about it too much, though, because it's kind of depressing. Not that I'm worried.

The LHC will get us first :D
 

Crono

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Amen.

A world without love would quickly die.
We tend to think of love as being some wishy-washy emotion, but it's actually a practical emotion that results in caring for one another and meeting the needs of one another.

Love keeps the world going. But we don't have enough of it.
*Cues Burt Bacharach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_trdrLewNho

Hmm, youtube doesn't have pure Burt. Here's Jackie DeShannon (Dionne Warwick is good also):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1F16_7lO0
 
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Fenixgoon

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Yes and bacteria is another. Without it life would not exist!
What about electrons? Without them material would not exist!

But if life did not exist how would anyone know it's chaotic?

Imagine if there were no wheels, for example.
Or in the next solar cycle a super X100 class coronal mass ejection directed right at the planet takes out all satellites (no gps/tv/etc.). The electrical surge is so great that the power grid fails and even some fires start. Cars run until they're out of fuel and there is no electric to pump fuel. No phones, no Blackberry, no computers. Sure the guy on the hill with the windmill MAY have power providing he did not get damaged. Kind of hard to do anything on his PC. Play solitaire all day long? :D

Yeah people would still be alive in a new chaotic world if that happened. Scary thing as a variant of it is possible and the chance is much higher than a terrorist delivering a nuclear weapon to a major population center in the United States or an all out exchange of thermonuclear devices between the East and West, etc.

They way I've seen people depend on GPS to get places these days - losing the satellites could be fairly chaotic! How many people know how to read maps or keep them in their cars these days?

clearly you need to play the game Deus Ex. one of your options at the end is to plunge the world into a new dark age by taking out all important global computer systems :p
 

Crono

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clearly you need to play the game Deus Ex. one of your options at the end is to plunge the world into a new dark age by taking out all important global computer systems :p

That was one of the hardest game decisions. Loved Deus Ex, even playing years after the original release. I have the soundtrack on my hard drive, haven't fired it up in a while.
 

Rubycon

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clearly you need to play the game Deus Ex. one of your options at the end is to plunge the world into a new dark age by taking out all important global computer systems :p

Why do it in a game though? ;)
 

Rubycon

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You scare me sometimes D: :eek: :D :p

Oh, and here's a wub smilie :wub: That buys me entry into your secret submarine/tech bunker in the Mariana trench. Right? Right?!?!

I've been known to do that from time to time. :p

Submarine / bunker? Oh noooo! Not the dreaded submersed tin can. Those are awful. They say the skies are friendly but being at sea is peaceful. There are storms but not everywhere. All you need is an eye to see clouds and a barometer - neither which require electrical power. Evangelista Torricelli knew exactly what he was doing. ;)

Btw that cute little avatar of yours bought something many moons ago. ;)
 

gaidensensei

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Now, I thought the key word being here was chaos, not death or no forms of life.

No water, no bacteria, no electrons = barren world with nothing here so that's not fair. It supersedes the argument and goes directly to null out chaos by killing all forms of life.

I still stand by my original sentiment, electricity and man made electronics have pacified as well as satisfied people in both physical and mental forms.

Without it, we'd be back to 1800's where everyone's fighting some war over something.
 

Crono

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I still stand by my original sentiment, electricity and man made electronics have pacified as well as satisfied people in both physical and mental forms.

Without it, we'd be back to 1800's where everyone's fighting some war over something.

We live in a bubble in the U.S. homeland.

I disagree completely. See: World War II
Only thing different now is the level of consumer technology available, but that doesn't change human nature.
 

gaidensensei

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Hmm... the way I saw it was that since WW2, Vietnam etc, our electronics have increased drastically giving us control over stuff like ABM's, satellites, taser guns to keep people pacified.

One of the things I thought was, even something as simple as video games is stealing a boy's free time so they don't even have time for some random thoughts. I used africa as a prime example, especially places like somalia, rwanda where electricity is nonexistent for many people.
 

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That was one of the hardest game decisions. Loved Deus Ex, even playing years after the original release. I have the soundtrack on my hard drive, haven't fired it up in a while.

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gaidensensei

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Deus Ex was the only game I made a custom map for that on servers. I did a mapping of my home just for fun.

Good times.. Lost the map in a hd crash :(
 

Jeff7

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Yup, I've been reading and hearing about this for quite some time.

Unfortunately, because we've had only relatively minor events happen to us, we aren't really prepared for such a cataclysmic disaster. I don't like to think about it too much, though, because it's kind of depressing. Not that I'm worried.

The LHC will get us first :D
The best part is, these big CMEs don't seem to be one of those extremely rare events, like a multi-mile-wide asteroid hitting us. There have been a few sizable ones in fairly recent history. The two that come to mind in the past 150 years or so were the one in the late 1980's that caused power outages in Canada, and then the one in the mid 1800's that was powerful enough to cause Aurora Borealis to light up all over the planet, as well as damage telegraph systems. I'd bet that the only thing that prevented that from being a widespread disaster was the simple fact that we didn't have the large power grid we have today, and so it wasn't something we depended on.
 

Rubycon

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Yes the world without quality capacitors would be chaotic! We've come close with computer psu and motherboard parts already! :p

The best part is, these big CMEs don't seem to be one of those extremely rare events, like a multi-mile-wide asteroid hitting us.

That's what makes it real. ;)
Surprised a movie has not been made based just on this alone. Of course H-wood would screw everything up. Look at The Day After Tomorrow and 2012. :D